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Icelander
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19127902 - 11/12/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would like to have a rainbow body though. Just sayin. I'm not sure which Lama I have to talk to about that though.
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nicechrisman said: I don't think the buddha ever intended it to be a religion. In fact most of what I've read of his teachings is fairly non religious. Yes there are the trappings of the Hindu system because that was the paradigm that he existed and taught within. Had to relate to people of the times.
I think most of the religious stuff in buddhism is stuff that was adopted from older religions of the regions that buddhism came to.
Don't forget Christianity Canon being selected by a church for control.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19127996 - 11/12/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey thanks for the recommendation i will have to check that book out (although i do doubt that my library will carry it but you never know). i love the buddhist conception of the afterlife, its so beautiful and elegant.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19128176 - 11/12/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche
I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and its relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife. He lays it all out as if it's gospel without one sentence in the whole book about how they know any of it to be true. (supposed to be interdenominational and for the lay public in general). Came across like the same exact crap I was force fed with threats of hell like places and punishment for not being good like I got in the fundy church I went to. A very disappointing read that I would not recommend to anyone unless I wanted to lead them astray. My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another.
This book was on my list of books to read, but from your little write up, I doubt I'll read it. Doesn't sound interesting. Thanks for savin' me a few bucks.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: g00ru]
#19128376 - 11/12/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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g00ru said: hey thanks for the recommendation i will have to check that book out (although i do doubt that my library will carry it but you never know). i love the buddhist conception of the afterlife, its so beautiful and elegant.
There was nothing beautiful or elegant about it. It was poorly written by someone who seems less than rational. But what ever floats yer boat dude.
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Icelander
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: r72rock]
#19128386 - 11/12/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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r72rock said:
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Icelander said: Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche
I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and its relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife. He lays it all out as if it's gospel without one sentence in the whole book about how they know any of it to be true. (supposed to be interdenominational and for the lay public in general). Came across like the same exact crap I was force fed with threats of hell like places and punishment for not being good like I got in the fundy church I went to. A very disappointing read that I would not recommend to anyone unless I wanted to lead them astray. My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another.
This book was on my list of books to read, but from your little write up, I doubt I'll read it. Doesn't sound interesting. Thanks for savin' me a few bucks. 
Better to buy some donuts and a soft drink and junk out. You'll get more from the experience. I feel totally ripped off.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19128399 - 11/12/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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idk man bizarre afterlife descriptions are generally a pretty sure bet for some creative inspiration. in fact that does float my boat...you don't have to act like i'm stupid for that, that's no sign of your own intelligence.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19128405 - 11/12/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Better to buy some donuts and a soft drink and junk out. You'll get more from the experience.
haha yeah sure
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: g00ru]
#19128901 - 11/12/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Journey to the West
Its my Favorite ..
Sun Wukong is a bad ass.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: g00ru]
#19129990 - 11/13/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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g00ru said: idk man bizarre afterlife descriptions are generally a pretty sure bet for some creative inspiration. in fact that does float my boat...you don't have to act like i'm stupid for that, that's no sign of your own intelligence.
Then you must really love the Christian Hell.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19130643 - 11/13/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Then you must really love the Christian Hell. 
I have much less respect for your run of the mill Christian, as I've yet to meet a Buddhist who tried to intimidate me into submission with crazy threats of being tossed into a pit of hellfire or attempt to infringe upon my freedoms (as many a right wing fundamentalist Christian has in myriads of ways).... Some (but I can confirm certainly not all) Buddhists may believe in some sort of indeterminate, transitional hell state between transmigrations, but I have yet to have had any of them proselytize at me with freakish conviction, so I prefer to think of them as merely living in a different reality tunnel, which may (or may not) be weirder than my own.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19130677 - 11/13/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I second that Buddhism is the only religion without any really crazy shit the mostly just have lots of lessons not meant literally though they are just lessons. There are different types of Buddhists just like if i were to get a Cristian scientist book and say all Cristian's are crazy because they believe medicine is a sham....
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19130683 - 11/13/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: I have much less respect for your run of the mill Christian, as I've yet to meet a Buddhist who tried to intimidate me into submission with crazy threats of being tossed into a pit of hellfire or attempt to infringe upon my freedoms (as many a right wing fundamentalist Christian has in myriads of ways).... Some (but I can confirm certainly not all) Buddhists may believe in some sort of indeterminate, transitional hell state between transmigrations, but I have yet to have had any of them proselytize at me with freakish conviction, so I prefer to think of them as merely living in a different reality tunnel, which may (or may not) be weirder than my own.
Good points.
Whatever else you might say about the freakish beliefs and practices of fundamentalist Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus, they don't proselytize. They're not interested in making "converts."
"Proselytizing" is uniquely institutional Christianity's gift to the world. Fundamentalist Islam unwrapped the gift, said "hmm... what do we have here...," and made a few adjustments.
And see where that has gotten the world today.
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hmm guess some of you have a problem with the 'crazy shit'? that's what i always enjoy the most haha.
and don't say it's not meant to be taken literally...it's just meant to be read and experienced, it's not a question of whether it's a metaphor or historical fact...it is what it is, no need to put it in a box.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: g00ru]
#19132051 - 11/13/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another
Well that's the crux of it. Even fools need what fools need. Assuming that is an accurate representation. No reason to subject oneself to a fruitless endeavor. But for some it is likely fruitful. I haven't read the book but have read about the hell realms. I personally like the depictions of life in relation to mara(lord of death) which showcase mara grinding the human body beneath a giant spiked wheel while all the time the person is clinging to their imagined version of what is going on.
Different strokes for different folks tho
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lighthouse09 said: I second that Buddhism is the only religion without any really crazy shit the mostly just have lots of lessons not meant literally though they are just lessons. There are different types of Buddhists just like if i were to get a Cristian scientist book and say all Cristian's are crazy because they believe medicine is a sham....
This book basically said that if you did "evil" in this life you'd go into these hellish places at death. Sound familiar. It's liberal vs conservative pressure but it's the same shit.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
#19137105 - 11/14/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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weird i geuss if not taken literally it's like the story of sidartha where you will not be truly free of feeling bad like in a hellish world until you get rid of your "evil" or unhealthy ways and it cn take lifetimes as in you may never get there before you die not that you'll come back but it would be pretty cool!! really any religion is silly you should be open to all at once and not pick one way.None is best that's why i am starting an athiest church to end it once and for all.
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Buddhism was mixed into the already existing religions of the places it went, which is why you get stuff like the quasi-Christian Pure Land Buddhists and junk like that. If you want to get what I consider to be the most definitive interpretation of Buddhism without the fairy tales, read Happiness by Matthieu Ricard. He has a PhD in molecular genetics and works as the French interpreter for the Dalai Lama. He totally wrecks the idea of karma by countering with the primacy of anatta. It is pretty sweet.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: sytar]
#19139901 - 11/15/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He totally wrecks the idea of karma by countering with the primacy of anatta.
Could you explain that briefly? I'm interested.
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Edited by Icelander (11/15/13 07:42 AM)
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