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Buddhist fairy tales.
    #19125150 - 11/12/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche

I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and its relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife.  He lays it all out as if it's gospel without one sentence in the whole book about how they know any  of it to be true. (supposed to be interdenominational and for the lay public in general).  Came across like the same exact crap I was force fed with threats of hell like places and punishment for not being good like I got in the fundy church I went to. A very disappointing read that I would not recommend to anyone unless I wanted to lead them astray.  My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19125186 - 11/12/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche

I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and it's relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife. .




It's is a contraction for it is, but its is a possessive pronoun, which in this case would be used for death's relation to life. 




My mother read me Aesop's fables and Mullah Nasreddin stories when I was a little kid, and I think you can get a lot from such tales if you don't take them too literally.  Unfortunately, some people seem to :ohwell:


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19125230 - 11/12/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

fixed, just a typo:shrug:


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
    #19125295 - 11/12/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:sorry:  I had been waiting to bust out a grammar Swastika Buddha.  At any rate, I've always thought of the bardos as creations of the mind and not literal afterlife realities. The point being whether you experience heaven or hell, avoid grasping at the experiences.  Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream.  It works as a backdoor from ego dominated, hallucinatory psychedelic trips and in day to day sober life to some extent.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19125354 - 11/12/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All well and good but they are invested in convincing you they exist as they describe it.  I'm fairly sure they don't have a clue anymore than the rest.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
    #19125685 - 11/12/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I agree. Except that I have found a fair few gems in Buddhism comparatively to other religions. Also I at least get the impression Buddha's teachings are by someone genuinely rational whereas Christ I always think seems likely just some guy with a messianic complex.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if the other religions contain some strand of rational thought it seems buried a little deeper than in Buddhism at least. But yeah they are all batshit nowadays along with the majority of buddhists and perhaps ever were.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19126000 - 11/12/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lol icey I don't think your supposed to take that fairy tale seriously. In contemporary literature, many authors have used the form of fairy tales for various reasons, such as examining the human condition from the simple framework a fairytale provides.

Do you even literature bro?


since you took it so literal and were 'disappointed' I think it is fair to say that the 'fairy tale' you read is doing exactly what it was supposed to do, which is reveal something about yourself that you didn't know previously.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: hTx]
    #19126044 - 11/12/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I cant fucking stand how Tibetans turned buddhism into the bullshit gospel. The bardo in the book of the dead is made up. If its not supposed to be literal then say so or don't fucking relate it to the religion. Its fiction....

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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: hTx]
    #19126089 - 11/12/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Read the graphic novel Lost Girls by Alan Moore if you want an interesting fairytale. It tells the story of the adult selves of Alice from Alice in Wonderland, Wendy from Peter Pan, and Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, who find themselves guests at a little Austrian hotel at the brink of World War I. The three become lovers, and retell their fairytale origin stories, showing how each might be an allegory for a much darker, pornographic life history. :awesomenod:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
    #19126097 - 11/12/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You say things like "realistic ideas about death" as if you would know what those ideas would be if you were to read them, imo its all speculation from any POV, unless you have a direct experience through psychedelics or NDE and even than, the stories people share that have these experiences are extremely subjective and personal.

(even though we do see typical and repeating patterns throughout these experiences which indicate a degree of 'agreed upon' or objectivity...Jung called these repeating patterns of the subjective experience Archetypes)

it seems like you are only wanting to consider information which lines up with your own ideas about death and its relation to life so that you can call them realistic and feel smart.

:aweohyou:

just kidding, don't hate :smirk:

I am curious, just what would you consider a realistic idea about death in relation to life?

The realest part about the relationship, imo, is that death isn't death really at all. Death is life. Take for example, the death of a star.

A supernova. Without the death of a star, we wouldn't have life at all. Death is an act of creation, as much apart of life as life itself.

All of your 'original' cells..all of your original 'matter' is gone, dead, recycled.

every atom in the human body is replaced within our lifetime. So in a sense, every moment is death/rebirth. and we are that slash in between the two.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
    #19126147 - 11/12/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche

I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and its relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife.  He lays it all out as if it's gospel without one sentence in the whole book about how they know any  of it to be true. (supposed to be interdenominational and for the lay public in general).  Came across like the same exact crap I was force fed with threats of hell like places and punishment for not being good like I got in the fundy church I went to. A very disappointing read that I would not recommend to anyone unless I wanted to lead them astray.  My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another.





Those thoughts about it are just much a fairytale as the book itself

And that


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Chronic7]
    #19126183 - 11/12/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche

I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and its relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife.  He lays it all out as if it's gospel without one sentence in the whole book about how they know any  of it to be true. (supposed to be interdenominational and for the lay public in general).  Came across like the same exact crap I was force fed with threats of hell like places and punishment for not being good like I got in the fundy church I went to. A very disappointing read that I would not recommend to anyone unless I wanted to lead them astray.  My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another.





Those thoughts about it are just much a fairytale as the book itself

And that




Deep :woooaaahhh:


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: hTx]
    #19126330 - 11/12/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol icey I don't think your supposed to take that fairy tale seriously. In contemporary literature, many authors have used the form of fairy tales for various reasons, such as examining the human condition from the simple framework a fairytale provides.

Do you even literature bro?


since you took it so literal and were 'disappointed' I think it is fair to say that the 'fairy tale' you read is doing exactly what it was supposed to do, which is reveal something about yourself that you didn't know previously.





Bullshit.  Take the time to read it and get back to me. 

Btw I didn't take any of it seriously. :haha:


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Chronic7]
    #19126336 - 11/12/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Just read "Life in relation to Death" by some guy called Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche

I was hoping for some realistic ideas about death and its relation to life but instead got, imo, far fetched fairy tales about some bizzare afterlife.  He lays it all out as if it's gospel without one sentence in the whole book about how they know any  of it to be true. (supposed to be interdenominational and for the lay public in general).  Came across like the same exact crap I was force fed with threats of hell like places and punishment for not being good like I got in the fundy church I went to. A very disappointing read that I would not recommend to anyone unless I wanted to lead them astray.  My respect for Buddhism as a religion is on par with my respect for any religion as a fairy tale told from one fool to another.





Those thoughts about it are just much a fairytale as the book itself

And that





I'm not claiming any truth. :ass:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
    #19126385 - 11/12/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Key word: fairy tale. If you take any kind of new knowledge home from it, then it has done its job.

Just like how stories in the Bible are mostly metaphorical at this point due to years and years of retranslation. It's full of things that were "common sense" at the time they were written, and some of them apply to the modern day, but some do not.

Religions are tools to help people spiritually, but some people rely on them too much, while missing all of the lessons to be learned. As said by Jesus, "Healthy people don't need a doctor, but sick people do." But whether or not you are doing fine on your spiritual path, you can always learn a few things from studying different religions.

“There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a heart.” - Lao Tzu

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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: kneesocks]
    #19126390 - 11/12/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you want a realistic idea about death and it's relation to life, it's that you cannot have one without the other. 

Can you remember the time before you were born?

That time was finite. Your life is finite. If we extrapolate using those two truths, the time after your time will also be finite.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: kneesocks]
    #19126400 - 11/12/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I took knowledge from moby dick... hail moby


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: kneesocks]
    #19126699 - 11/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Key word: fairy tale. If you take any kind of new knowledge home from it, then it has done its job.

Just like how stories in the Bible are mostly metaphorical at this point due to years and years of retranslation. It's full of things that were "common sense" at the time they were written, and some of them apply to the modern day, but some do not.

Religions are tools to help people spiritually, but some people rely on them too much, while missing all of the lessons to be learned. As said by Jesus, "Healthy people don't need a doctor, but sick people do." But whether or not you are doing fine on your spiritual path, you can always learn a few things from studying different religions.

“There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a heart.” - Lao Tzu

http://quotesnsmiles.com/quotes/calming-buddha-quotes/





And what is the lesson to be learned?  Assuming you've read the book.


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19127220 - 11/12/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's is a contraction for it is, but its is a possessive pronoun, which in this case would be used for death's relation to life.



A million million blessings to you, CosmicJoke, for pointing out the difference.

If all the English-speaking posters on this and other boards could master that simple thing, I feel that heaven on earth could be realized.  And that all of creation would simultaneously cry out, in one voice, "Hallelujah, hallelujah.  We give praise to the universe that sustains us!"

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My mother read me Aesop's fables and Mullah Nasreddin stories when I was a little kid, and I think you can get a lot from such tales if you don't take them too literally.  Unfortunately, some people seem to :ohwell:



Again, all praise and glory to you for that insight.

There is nothing wrong with the stories of any world religion, provided you know how to read them.

If you read them literally, you are doomed to live the life of a literalist.

If you read them through your magic eyes, however, you are set free. :wink:


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Re: Buddhist fairy tales. [Re: Icelander]
    #19127862 - 11/12/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think the buddha ever intended it to be a religion. In fact most of what I've read of his teachings is fairly non religious. Yes there are the trappings of the Hindu system because that was the paradigm that he existed and taught within. Had to relate to people of the times.

I think most of the religious stuff in buddhism is stuff that was adopted from older religions of the regions that buddhism came to.


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