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Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK
    #19124905 - 11/12/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - The Daily Telegraph

A drug that mimics the effect of alcohol without creating a hangover is being developed by a former government adviser


Prof David Nutt claims the drug could mimic the sensation of alcohol without the health risks Photo: PA

By Ben Riley-Smith    8:12PM GMT 11 Nov 2013

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A drug that mimics the effect of alcohol without creating a hangover is being developed by a former government adviser.

Prof David Nutt said the discovery would lead to a revolution in health. But he needed funding to continue his research.

He claimed the drug would do for alcohol what the e-cigarette had done for smoking.

He called on the Government to give an “explicit recommendation” in support of the drug to encourage investment. His innovation could save the NHS millions.

The drug targets the brain to give the taker feelings of pleasure similar to the effects of drinking. However, an antidote can block the sensations immediately, leaving the user free to drive or return to work.

Prof Nutt resigned from the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs in 2009 after a clash over policy.

He said alcohol killed 1.5 million people a year and 10 per cent of drinkers became addicts. He predicted that side effects from drinking such as memory loss could be circumvented by the new drug.

However, he warned that investors remained wary due to the uncertainty of the Government’s position. He told the Dragon’s Den presenter Evan Davis on Radio 4’s Today programme today that he was not surprised that no one in the drinks industry wanted to fund his research.

Prof Nutt said the drug could be taken in a range of cocktails. “I’ve done the prototype experiments myself,” he said. “I’ve been inebriated and then it’s been reversed by the antagonist.

“That’s what really gave us the idea. There’s no question that you can produce a whole range of effects like alcohol by manipulating the brain.”

Emily Robinson, the deputy chief executive of the charity Alcohol Concern, questioned Prof Nutt’s call for the Coalition to support his research.

“We would urge caution on this,” she said. “We agree that alcohol is a serious burden to the country. But we would urge the Government to invest in policies that we know work, such as minimum unit pricing and advertising restrictions.

“We should focus on what is going wrong in our drinking culture rather than swapping potentially one addictive substance for another.”

Claire Fox, the director of the Institute of Ideas, an organisation that promotes discussion on public policy including drug legislation, criticised the BBC’s decision to give a platform to the professor. “It was outrageous,” she said. “Nobody else would get away with it would they?

“If someone else went on and just said: 'I am here to get investment in my company’ the BBC wouldn’t let that [happen].”

She said the broadcast was “a kind of lobbying disguised as a science item” given that Prof Nutt could benefit from the policy change.

A BBC spokesman said the subject was of interest to its audience.

“Prof David Nutt was interviewed about a drug which he claimed could mimic the sensation of alcohol without the health risks,” he said.

“He was questioned about the potential complications involved and it was made clear to listeners that his research was at the early stages because he had not yet obtained funding for the project.”


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: roquet]
    #19124973 - 11/12/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I want a drug that mimics the effects of LSD without creating a hangover.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19125128 - 11/12/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

get me a drug that gives the heroin rush without the heroin withdrawals


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #19125299 - 11/12/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Emily Robinson is worried this new alcohol drug might take away all the funding from her charity. No alcoholics, no problems (no funding for her either).

She says "we should concentrate on our drinking culture to see what's going wrong"... Simple, people have life full of drama, it's called reality. You can't fix that ever.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: Fungi]
    #19125565 - 11/12/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so a drug created by a former goverment employee is okay but all other drugs are the devil? this is hypocrisy at its worst! you wanna get inebriated without a hangover? thats what pot is for you shmucks. grow a pair of balls and twist up a j, hit the bong, vaporize some bud.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: shopdropper] * 3
    #19125591 - 11/12/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm skeptical.  The fact that the drug can be readily reversed by a (presumably) known antagonist suggest that this drug has a relatively specific and well-defined mechanism of action.  This is much different than alcohol.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: badchad]
    #19125785 - 11/12/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Alcohol and weed have two very different niches in our society

Yes, alcohol causes a lot of problems. But used responsibly, it can break social inhibitions in a way that bongs or joints cant

Weed opens me up to other people who are stoned or people I know
Alcohol does the same with people I dont know

Two are very different and shouldn't be compared

On that note, GHB if used properly, makes me feel like I am drunk and usually gives me a good night's rest. Also, vaporizing alcohol issomething that I am quite curious about


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: roquet]
    #19125882 - 11/12/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are already pills that completely negate hangovers... They are called opiates/opioids.

Although for those without a tolerance mixing two CNS depressants is DANGEROUS AND STUPID, for those of us lucky enough to have massive opiate addictions, hangovers are a but a distant memory.

Morphine works especially well.. I have never had a hangover on heroin, morphine, roxy, pethidine or anything else I can remember having and drinking heavily on.

PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS IF YOU ARE NOT OPIATE TOLERANT/A JUNKIE. It does work though, honest Injun'.

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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19125911 - 11/12/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't get hangovers, but addiction is the worst.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #19125981 - 11/12/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what did he invent? ludes or benzos?


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: roquet]
    #19125996 - 11/12/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hm, I wonder if I'll be able to order the alcohol-mimicking pill.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: thirtygoats]
    #19126038 - 11/12/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, my post was a joke, but noone got it...
The answer is LSD of course!


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19126251 - 11/12/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty skeptical of this...


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19126273 - 11/12/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
I want a drug that mimics the effects of LSD without creating a hangover.




Lucid dreaming, better trip than LSD (better visuals/feel more real/more control/feels better), no hangover, as/more motivated than with LSD when waking up

LSD is still great though, if not used too often, the hangover can be long sometimes


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: lessismore] * 2
    #19126587 - 11/12/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone's favorite date-rape drug in a pill form. Who would've ever thought of such a creation...


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: lessismore]
    #19126599 - 11/12/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mio said:
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Lord_McLovin said:
I want a drug that mimics the effects of LSD without creating a hangover.




Lucid dreaming, better trip than LSD (better visuals/feel more real/more control/feels better), no hangover, as/more motivated than with LSD when waking up

LSD is still great though, if not used too often, the hangover can be long sometimes



You ever drop acid in a lucid dream? :mindblown:


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #19126624 - 11/12/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ive read taking NAC before drinking can help prevent hangover.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: roquet]
    #19126769 - 11/12/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hah! The insurance companies are gonna have a field day with this one. What idiot would place themselves directly in the blame when people take this "drunky go away" pill and still end up killing themselves in a car crash on the way home?


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19126965 - 11/12/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the dude even looks psychotic.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #19127156 - 11/12/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

An alcohol like pill with zero hangovers?!? I wonder what excuse they're going to have to make this one illegal for when it becomes popular...


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19127318 - 11/12/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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what did he invent? ludes or benzos?




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    #19127434 - 11/12/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the dude even looks psychotic.





He is a very widely respected/or hated drug policy maker in the UK.

He was famously hired by the government to look at and appraise the actual risks of all drugs, when he came back with his report and said things like "MDMA is safer statistically than horse riding" he was fired and the report he and his colleagues spent a lot of time and tax payer's money producing was scrapped and completely ignored.

A bit of a legend/controversy in this country.

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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: P-O]
    #19127451 - 11/12/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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EdibleStereos said:
what did he invent? ludes or benzos?








Probably should add a warning to that even if it's a lighthearted comment.. Don't want some :underage: member slamming a bottle of Jack then eating 10 k-pins as he is passing out and been puking for an hour..

Better safe than sorry.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19129336 - 11/12/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well in reality this is just a huge way to make billions. It also seems a little sketch if it is in the form of a pill. It's way easier to take too many pills then it does to drink a beer or mixed drink.. Plus plenty of GABA pills already exist. When I did gabapentin I felt like I was practically drunk..

I could see it working if it was infused into a liquid drink..


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: Gorlax]
    #19130145 - 11/13/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Of course everyone here understands that there are a hundred other ways (besides alcohol) to alter our states of mind.

The real story here is about the rigidity of many people's beliefs.  You can't just tell them that there are other drugs that may not be inherently evil and wickedly dangerous.  Nooooo..... You have to spoon feed their fragile little belief systems.

"Don't worry, this drug is almost like the alcohol you've been brought up to accept.  Go ahead and take a few decades to see if you can find a way to fit it into your oh so sensitive social paradigms.  In the mean time we'll just continue to try to eradicate anything you don't feel familiar with and destroy the lives of people who are light years ahead of you in terms of mental flexibility."

Yea, we all know the idea of, oh my gosh, using something other than alcohol is no big deal.  But the fucking sheeple take decades to accept the tiniest little change in their beliefs.  If you try to change them too quickly they get angry and dangerous.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: roquet]
    #19130953 - 11/13/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's called drink lots of water and eat bread products before you go to sleep.  That's it.  That's the cure to alcohol hangovers.  Case closed.  You're welcome.


















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    #19131610 - 11/13/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's called drink lots of water and eat bread products before you go to sleep.  That's it.  That's the cure to alcohol hangovers.  Case closed.  You're welcome.





That helps a bit, but certainly no cure... Morphine however... actual cure.


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    #19131716 - 11/13/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I got it, Lord. Made me smile


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    #19131828 - 11/13/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, my post was a joke, but noone got it...
The answer is LSD of course!



i was just about to say, just take acid


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    #19135253 - 11/14/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Barbiturates, benzodiazepines, 2-methyl-2-butanol... all r like alcohol without the hangover. 2-methyl-2-butanol is 20x more potent than alcohol, tastes minty, has no hangover and u can buy it on amazon lol.


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    #19145474 - 11/16/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Benzos have a terrible addiction. And barbs are easy to OD on. That other chem, I don't know.


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19145847 - 11/16/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is this pill actually gonna be well known soon?


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Re: Get drunk without the hangover on Professor Nutt’s pill - UK [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19146431 - 11/16/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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alcohol is a serious burden to the country



Not when the habit, it's aftermath, and all consumed resources are covered at private expense.

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we would urge the Government to invest in policies that we know work, such as minimum unit pricing and advertising restrictions.



Taxation, infringements, and their enforcement are serious burdens to the country.

Inventors might also cover their own expenses, without leveraging public moneys.

For instance, how cheap is it to implement this idea?

Do I personally get to decide the terms of my own participation, once you're a household name, or would you be a too-big-to-fail?


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