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Republicans love our veterans.
#19124699 - 11/12/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh wait, no they don't.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/11/veterans-food-stamp-cuts-republicans-snap
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Republicans will salute America's veterans Monday, while simultaneously trying to deny them benefits. In addition to reducing housing aid, and denying health care to vets, the GOP is also trying to remove thousands of vets from the food stamp program, known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.
At least 900,000 veterans rely on SNAP. The House Republican version of the farm bill, the five-year piece of legislation that funds nutrition and agriculture provisions, would slash funding for the food stamps program by nearly $40 billion and boot 2.8 million people off the program next year. That includes 170,000 veterans, who would be removed through a provision in the bill that would eliminate food stamps eligibility for non-elderly jobless adults who can't find work or an opening in a job training program. CHARTS: The Hidden Benefits of Food Stamps.
Veterans returning home from service have more trouble finding work than other folks, and rely more heavily on the food stamp program. The unemployment rate for recent veterans—those who have served in the past decade—is about 10 percent, almost 3 points above the national unemployment rate. War-related disabilities are one reason why. About a quarter of recent veterans reported service-related disabilities in 2011. Households that have a disabled veteran who is unable to work are twice as likely to lack access to sufficient food than households without a disabled service member, according to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
This month, SNAP funding was reduced by $5 billion as extra stimulus money for the program expired. While the Senate will never approve the $40 billion in further cuts to the food stamps program that House Republicans want, deeper cuts are pretty much inevitable. The two chambers are in the middle of negotiating a final version of the farm bill, which will contain food stamp reductions somewhere in between the $4 billion level the Senate wants and the level the Republicans want.
Whatever the final number, veterans will likely feel the pinch.
Why do the "Pro Life" conservatives in the House want to kick veterens off of SNAP and food stamp benefits? I thought the GOP was supposed to be the pro-troop and pro-veteran party?
Let's not that veteran suicide rates have increased at 2.6% per year since 2005, either.
I guess it make sense that congress hates veterans, even though they claim to support them, as veterans in Congress is as an all time low since WWII.
Although we have huge numbers of Afghanistan/Iraq war vets coming back from combat, the VA can't seem to keep up.
Now that Obama has claimed that he will try to up support for veterans, will the sheisty GOP try and sabotage him once again, for nothing more than political gain?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Vets got it ruff man. My buddy has bad veins in his legs after a diving acident, and the VA wanted to fucking cut off his legs! He went to another doc and he told him to just suppress wrap them two hours a day and he'll be fine. Ugggg. VA = chop chop
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: huffinglue]
#19125098 - 11/12/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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V/A = death care.
Yeah Republicans are so pro-life but want soldiers to go die in wars for profit gains and Democrats also want soldiers to go off at corporate wars, but at least they don't pretend to love the troops and veterans while putting them on DHS domestic terrorist lists.
Source: Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/#ixzz2kR3NVHwU Napolitano: "stands be report labeling returning Veterans as domestic terrorists"
If you look at the issue veterans are labeled domestic terrorists, b/c they are the only people that can protect the American civilians during something like a total collapse of society through debt, taxes...
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Oh wait, no they don't.
"I loathe all things military..." Bill Clinton.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19125632 - 11/12/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh wait your post has to do with incompetent losers of all walks of life not veterans. Why am I not shocked by your dishonesty
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19125692 - 11/12/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Income tax was created to fund war efforts . The top rate was at 70% For ww1 and 90 % at the end of ww2 up till the 60s. Raising taxes can serve a very important purpose. When we went to war in Iraq the 2nd time and Afghanistan after 911 we should have raised taxes on everyone and the top rate should have went to 90% the moment we declared war. Just imagine how quickly we would have been in and out and accomplished our objective. You know if we all had to make sacrafices with our soldiers when they go to war rather than just leaving the burden solely for them. When Bush landed on that carrier and proclaimed WE WON! that would have been the end of it, rather than 10 more years of bullshit we didnt have to feel the pain of paying for.
You cannot claim to love our military and then turn around and pledge to never raise taxes. Thats two faced stupidity destined for history books.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Kiya_Star427]
#19126221 - 11/12/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kiya_Star427 said: V/A = death care.
Yeah Republicans are so pro-life but want soldiers to go die in wars for profit gains and Democrats also want soldiers to go off at corporate wars, but at least they don't pretend to love the troops and veterans while putting them on DHS domestic terrorist lists.
Source: Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/#ixzz2kR3NVHwU Napolitano: "stands be report labeling returning Veterans as domestic terrorists"
If you look at the issue veterans are labeled domestic terrorists, b/c they are the only people that can protect the American civilians during something like a total collapse of society through debt, taxes...
The Washington Times is owned by the Moonie Cult. I will never give them a single page view.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19126235 - 11/12/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: Oh wait your post has to do with incompetent losers of all walks of life not veterans. Why am I not shocked by your dishonesty
How do you figure? 170,000 veterans would lose food benefits if the GOP had their way.
I mean, after all that posturing (see here, and here as well), I thought they were the party that fights for our vets?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126318 - 11/12/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Both parties support veterans on the surface and use them as political tools to exploit the emotions of fools who are so easily emotionaly manipulated into an agenda.
Now cutting aid (charity that they are no way entilted to, it can be legally cut and only exists because of generousity) to shiftless morons from all walks of life across the board? That's a different subject all together isn't it?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19126363 - 11/12/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can't separate these two things, however. Their proposed legislation may take away these benefits from the "shiftless morons," but will impact 170,000 veterans.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126383 - 11/12/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am a veteran, and I know first hand that military personnel, just like any other segment of the population, as many good people and then its share of worthless people. They range from a guy who just barely made it into the army to avoid criminal conviction, to a bright young kid using it to kick start his life with a decent paying job with the best health insurance and free education available, to a more matured adult getting a commission with their Bachelors degree. And all those people's outcomes will vary on their particular circumstances, not the least of which being their intelligence level and their work ethics.
Your silly plea to emotion doesn't work on the intelligent "Will somebody please think of the childen! Wait I mean veterans!"
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19126402 - 11/12/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you bring intelligence level into discussion, why should innate intelligence be a barrier to being fed and having a place to live?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126414 - 11/12/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: You can't separate these two things, however. Their proposed legislation may take away these benefits from the "shiftless morons," but will impact 170,000 veterans.
Actually I can seperate the two. It's you who can't. I suspect it because that's because that doesn't fit well in your wet dreams with Democrats and their nanny-state agenda
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19126431 - 11/12/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if you know what nanny state actually means. I don't think providing for the sick, poor, unemployed and elderly qualifies as a nanny state.
I am against most "nanny state" policies.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126484 - 11/12/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: So you bring intelligence level into discussion, why should innate intelligence be a barrier to being fed and having a place to live?
You really do understand why, in the real world, the village idiot can't earn as much money and obtain the same quality of life as, oh I don't know let's say, a genius in engineering. I really don't have to explain that right? Because that would be fucking ridiculous.
BTW when last I checked the stupid, the retarded, the disabled, and the lazy were getting better care in the modern western world then at any other time or place in history
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: I'm not sure if you know what nanny state actually means. I don't think providing for the sick, poor, unemployed and elderly qualifies as a nanny state.
I am against most "nanny state" policies.
I understand perfectly what it means
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19126527 - 11/12/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You obviously don't.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19126580 - 11/12/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: You obviously don't.
I obviously do Very enlightening and intriguing discussion points you bring to the table.
I don't suppose their any chance of getting you to address this post
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Simplicitry said: You really do understand why, in the real world, the village idiot can't earn as much money and obtain the same quality of life as, oh I don't know let's say, a genius in engineering. I really don't have to explain that right? Because that would be fucking ridiculous.
BTW when last I checked the stupid, the retarded, the disabled, and the lazy were getting better care in the modern western world then at any other time or place in history
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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Who says I want "the village idiot" to have the same quality of life as an engineer?
Who cares if they're "getting better care" than "at any other time or place in history." If there is room to improve, there is room to improve.
So now, tell me what your idea of a nanny state is.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Simplicitry said: Oh wait your post has to do with incompetent losers of all walks of life not veterans. Why am I not shocked by your dishonesty
How do you figure? 170,000 veterans would lose food benefits if the GOP had their way.
I do not recall the GI Bill to include guaranteed food for life
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Who says I want "the village idiot" to have the same quality of life as an engineer?
Who cares if they're "getting better care" than "at any other time or place in history." If there is room to improve, there is room to improve.
So now, tell me what your idea of a nanny state is.
Dude, seriously?
We both know what it means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state
You can think whatever makes you feel good about what my understanding of politics are. I mean that sincerely, don't give a shit. But I'm not doing pointless, childish things at you're request like explain what the term nanny state means.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Simplicitry said: Oh wait your post has to do with incompetent losers of all walks of life not veterans. Why am I not shocked by your dishonesty
How do you figure? 170,000 veterans would lose food benefits if the GOP had their way.
I do not recall the GI Bill to include guaranteed food for life
Right, you do however get a really great contract if you fulfill your obligation. Full medical and dental at no cost, $80,000 for college with free college (meaning not out of the 80k)while your active duty, you retain all your benifits if you are medically discharged. And although it depends on the Branch of Service, your rank, and location (Allowance forhousing is based on location) I made excellent pay in The Air Force in Northern California. Nothing to complain about, it's a great deal
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Simplicitry said: Oh wait your post has to do with incompetent losers of all walks of life not veterans. Why am I not shocked by your dishonesty
How do you figure? 170,000 veterans would lose food benefits if the GOP had their way.
I do not recall the GI Bill to include guaranteed food for life
Right, you do however get a really great contract if you fulfill your obligation. Full medical and dental at no cost, $80,000 for college with free college (meaning not out of the 80k)while your active duty, you retain all your benifits if you are medically discharged. And although it depends on the Branch of Service, your rank, and location (Allowance forhousing is based on location) I made excellent pay in The Air Force in Northern California. Nothing to complain about, it's a great deal
Sure is.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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Mush4Brains said: Who says I want "the village idiot" to have the same quality of life as an engineer?
Who cares if they're "getting better care" than "at any other time or place in history." If there is room to improve, there is room to improve.
So now, tell me what your idea of a nanny state is.
Dude, seriously?
We both know what it means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state
You can think whatever makes you feel good about what my understanding of politics are. I mean that sincerely, don't give a shit. But I'm not doing pointless, childish things at you're request like explain what the term nanny state means.
You just linked to something that has nothing to do with a welfare state. Which is what we're talking about.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Who says I want "the village idiot" to have the same quality of life as an engineer?
Who cares if they're "getting better care" than "at any other time or place in history." If there is room to improve, there is room to improve.
So now, tell me what your idea of a nanny state is.
Dude, seriously?
We both know what it means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state
You can think whatever makes you feel good about what my understanding of politics are. I mean that sincerely, don't give a shit. But I'm not doing pointless, childish things at you're request like explain what the term nanny state means.
You just linked to something that has nothing to do with a welfare state. Which is what we're talking about.
How can you say that while clearly in this very quote thread you asked me to define the nanny state?
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They aren't the same thing. They may overlap in some places, but they're quite different.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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They aren't the same thing. They may overlap in some places, but they're quite different.
You asked me to define the term nanny state. A ridiculous request. Now I'm certain the conversation can move in a more interesting direction
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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Except you used the term incorrectly when talking about a welfare state. Admit you were using the term incorrectly and we can move forward.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Except you used the term incorrectly when talking about a welfare state. Admit you were using the term incorrectly and we can move forward.
You asked me to define the term nanny state. Welfare state was never brought up, so that wasn't the topic . Again, ridiculous questions, and I'm sure the conversation can now move in a more intelligent direction
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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You used the term "nanny state" while talking about providing our veterans (and other citizens) with welfare benefits. You then accused me of siding with Democrats and their "nanny-state agenda," which I, for the most part, haven't done. It was clear you used the term "nanny state" incorrectly. Let's just admit it and move on with the discussion.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: You used the term "nanny state" while talking about providing our veterans (and other citizens) with welfare benefits. You then accused me of siding with Democrats and their "nanny-state agenda," which I, for the most part, haven't done. It was clear you used the term "nanny state" incorrectly. Let's just admit it and move on with the discussion.
I used no term incorrectly. Now let me take the oppurtunity to steer the conversation in a more intelligent direction, and more to the point of the original discussion. How is cutting aid to losers of all walks of life discriminatory to veterans who are not an oppressed class?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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I used no term incorrectly.
Yes, you did.
Until you admit this I will not answer any more of your questions.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19129468 - 11/13/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I will not answer any more of your questions.
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Simplicitry said: How is cutting aid to losers of all walks of life discriminatory to veterans who are not an oppressed class?
Only because you can't t intelligently back your position
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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Cutting "aid" has nothing to do with a nanny state. Period.
Once you admit that, we can move on with this discussion.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Cutting "aid" has nothing to do with a nanny state. Period.
Once you admit that, we can move on with this discussion
Only because you can't intelligently back your position. Otherwise you would be eager to
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19129519 - 11/13/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You backed my position by linking to the Wikipedia article.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
#19129536 - 11/13/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Again, more to the point of the original discussion
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Simplicitry said: How is cutting aid to losers of all walks of life discriminatory to veterans who are not an oppressed class?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19129542 - 11/13/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: You backed my position by linking to the Wikipedia article.
I have backed nothing you support
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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Mush4Brains said: You can't separate these two things, however. Their proposed legislation may take away these benefits from the "shiftless morons," but will impact 170,000 veterans.
Actually I can seperate the two. It's you who can't. I suspect it because that's because that doesn't fit well in your wet dreams with Democrats and their nanny-state agenda
Once again, you used the nanny state term incorrectly, you even tried to post a Wikipedia article about it which clearly states you don't know what a nanny state is. Admit it, and move on.
Oh, you can't spell separate correctly either.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: You can't separate these two things, however. Their proposed legislation may take away these benefits from the "shiftless morons," but will impact 170,000 veterans.
Actually I can seperate the two. It's you who can't. I suspect it because that's because that doesn't fit well in your wet dreams with Democrats and their nanny-state agenda
Once again, you used the nanny state term incorrectly, you even tried to post a Wikipedia article about it which clearly states you don't know what a nanny state is. Admit it, and move on.
Oh, you can't spell separate correctly either.
intellectual cowerdice Avoid defending your original position at all cost right?
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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I will defend my position tooth and nail once you admit you used the term "nanny-state" incorrectly.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said: How is cutting aid to losers of all walks of life discriminatory to veterans who are not an oppressed class?
I can see why anything but addressing this simple point is preferable to you unless you were to agree your original post is bullshit. Which of course it is
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Kiya_Star427 said: V/A = death care.
Yeah Republicans are so pro-life but want soldiers to go die in wars for profit gains and Democrats also want soldiers to go off at corporate wars, but at least they don't pretend to love the troops and veterans while putting them on DHS domestic terrorist lists.
Source: Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/#ixzz2kR3NVHwU Napolitano: "stands be report labeling returning Veterans as domestic terrorists"
If you look at the issue veterans are labeled domestic terrorists, b/c they are the only people that can protect the American civilians during something like a total collapse of society through debt, taxes...
The Washington Times is owned by the Moonie Cult. I will never give them a single page view.
Lol wow you don't have to believe me or Washington Times.
Hear it straight from the horses mouth, here is Janet Napolitano saying all returning Veterans are domestic terrorists. Man you must be a big time sheep or something lol.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: I will defend my position tooth and nail once you admit you used the term "nanny-state" incorrectly.
Nanny state a country that would pass legislation like the Patriot Acts, NDAA, FAA legalizing the authorization of military drones to be used on the American citizens.. This is no longer a nanny-state it's a police state.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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I'll assume by the silence that you can't answer the question above because you can't intelligently defend your original position
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I would have to say that one of the many actions by Obama that thoroughly cemented my opinion of him being a worthless negro cocksucking little bitch was when he wanted to force veterans to pay for their own healthcare for injuries INCURRED DURING BATTLE.
Honestly, I can't think of any way possible for a president to be perceived as an un American, uncaring hypocritical asshole than thorough this action alone.
Vets that lost limbs during combat, fuck 'em let them pay for their own prosthetics.
Illegal mexican scum that violate our laws to illegally gain financial reward at the taxpayers expense? Free health care for them, and their anchor babies. Yes, lets reward illegal behavior from parasitic fucks, all the while punish those that were willing to die for this country, and were injured/maimed/permanently physically impaired while doing so.
"Obama VA: Let’s charge vets for care on service-related injuries posted at 10:57 am on March 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If the Obama administration wanted to come up with the most politically offensive policy it could imagine, within the bounds of reason and reality, what elements would it have to include? Insulting veterans and looking like cheapskates in a time when massive government outlays to private industry would certainly help it along. Comes now Hero of the Anti-War Left, retired General Eric Shinseki, who wants to save a few bucks at the Veterans Administration by making men and women injured in the service of our country pay for their care:
Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance. …
No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama voicing their opposition to the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration.
The groups also cited an increase in “third-party collections” estimated in the 2010 budget proposal — something they said could be achieved only if the Veterans Administration started billing for service-related injuries.
Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under “consideration.”
“A final decision hasn’t been made yet,” he said.
Let’s see. The same administration that wants to give tens of billions of dollars to GM, Citigroup, AIG, and a host of other banks and manufacturers wants men and women injured in service to their country to pay for the medical care that arises from these injuries? In what universe does Shinseki and the Obama administration live, anyway?
And people used to complain that Bush didn’t care enough about veteran care – even though he increased the VA budget by 56% from 2001 to 2008. Bush never offered the notion that the nation should shirk its duty to those who gave their health for the defense of America, especially not in the same week in which his administration signed a record omnibus bill with 8,000 pork items in it. In fact, I don’t think any administration has ever signaled such a policy, mostly because previous administrations weren’t dumb enough to try it, let alone crass enough to consider it an area to save a little cash.
Obama said he wanted to bring bipartisanship to Washington, and he may succeed here — by annoying both Democrats and Republicans. Patty Murray (D-WA) declared that any such suggestion would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate. Richard Burr (R-NC) told Shinseki not to count on that revenue stream. If Hope and Change means dunning wounded warriors, Capitol Hill will say thanks, but no thanks, in as united a voice as one can imagine these days.
It’s just another incompetent moment in an administration trying to set a record for them."
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/12/obama-va-lets-charge-vets-for-care-on-service-related-injuries/
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Therian]
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I'm glad to see Therian and his shitty, rambling posts unbanned.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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I'm glad to see Therian and his shitty, rambling posts unbanned.
I will decline to comment any further.
When you cried to the mods did you tell them I hurt your feelings? Shall I provide a band aid for your fragile, yet over inflated ego?
Speaking of shitty posts, why not answer the question that has been asked of you several times?
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I'll assume by the silence that you can't answer the question above because you can't intelligently defend your original position
I do believe he can attempt to defend his position in some convoluted manner, most likely by blaming Bush, the system, "the man", extra terrestrials, his cognitive defects brought on by his desire to classify lead paint chips as "snacks", but doing so intelligently, is beyond his limited capabilities.
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Re: Republicans love our veterans. [Re: Therian]
#19140165 - 11/15/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Republicans have a better track record when it comes to defense and military, but just barely.
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