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Needing an ID.
    #1912451 - 09/13/03 01:32 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)









These were found in a big grass clipping pile that has been around for about 3 years(used every year so fresh clippings added). I'm in Southcentral Alaska.
The cap on most due to the freeze we had is a greyish-buff color. Some fresher ones have a tan color with a gold colored spot on top. Very bell shaped. Gills are dark brown,not attached,wavy. Stem is twisted,hollow with lines running down it.No veil is present.The spore print is black.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1912674 - 09/13/03 02:51 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

maybe pan foes but im still kinda new at this but fiquered be a good excuse to get my books and try to help id wait for some of the more expericed ones help.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: Protester]
    #1912685 - 09/13/03 02:55 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

I have found and ID'ed lots of pan foes and I'm fairly certain these are different.But they are some type of Pans for sure though.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1912997 - 09/13/03 04:49 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

yeah, maybe Pan. ater native to alaska.
find them on caribou poo? they are known (and first discovered) on moose poo. i beleve it was in labrador NFLD.
MJ could verify or dismiss this thogh, im a little intoxicated but i THINK it was HE who informed me of this origin.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1913076 - 09/13/03 05:10 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

1st and fourth pic lead me to believe subbalteatus. Yeah- this needs a particualarly magical touch! If the last one were a younger shroom it would be easier to ID.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: buddhathehut]
    #1913091 - 09/13/03 05:16 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

i'm not inclined to go with subbalteatus at all. i can not conclude Pan ater either but due to the fact that i have been having trouble finding more tahn one source of info on this species.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: canid]
    #1913107 - 09/13/03 05:21 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

yeah- that was just my safest bet.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: buddhathehut]
    #1915600 - 09/14/03 03:58 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

They did not appear to me to be Pan subbs as much as I wanted them to be. I can't find alot on Pan ater either. There was only one site that had any info on them at all that I have been able to find.
Fungi of Irwell Valley.com has a small description and a pic. Not much help.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1916394 - 09/14/03 09:20 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Panaeolus ater = Panaeolus fimicola i believe. Stamets guide has descriptions of that if youd like.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1917202 - 09/15/03 02:22 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

That would be great if you could. There are other as well as myself that would like to know about it. There are only 3 actives were I am at and any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1917902 - 09/15/03 01:05 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Pan. ater is Pan fimicola? that would explain the lack of info on Pan. ater i suppose.
i would be glad if you would post an exerpt, as i don't own PMOTW yet.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: canid]
    #1918847 - 09/15/03 06:46 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Panaeolus fimicola Fries
=Panaeolus ater Kuhner and Romagnesi

Cap: 1-2 (3) cm broad. Convext to campanulate, expanding to plane only during prolonged wet periods and in extreme age. Dingy gray to black often with slight reddish hues, becoming paler in drying, leaving a darker grayish brown encircling zone along the margin. Margin striate when moist, not appendiculate, but sometimes irregular and uplifted at maturity. Surface smooth, soon dry. Flesh moderately thick.

Gills: Attachment adnate to adnexed, broad, grayish, mottled, and with grayish edges. Two or three tiers of intermediate gills present.

Stem: 60-100 mm long by 1-2 mm thick. Equal, hollow, soft, and fragile. Dingy pale to whitish, especially towards the apex. Surface powdered above and striate below.

Microscopic features: Spores black in deposit, 11-14 by 7-9.5 micrometers, lemon shaped with an apical germ pore. Basidia 4-spored. Pleurocystidia absent or only near the gill edge and then similar in form to cheilocystidia. Cheilocystida 25-35 (40) by 6-12 micrometers. mostly fusoid-ventricose.

Habit, habitat, and distribution: Growing scattered in soil or dung from the late spring and in the fall. Sometimes found in well-fertilized lawns and/or grassy places in woods. Widespread, reported from the Americas, Africa, and Europe.

Comments: Looking very much like a Psilocybe, especially in side view, this species is a latent producer of psilocybin, meaning that some collections, upon analysis, reveal a small amount of active indoles while other collections are devoid of them. Although widespread, this species is infrequently encountered compared to many other Panaeoli. Gerhardt (1996) showed synonymy between Panaeolus fimicola and Panaeolus ater. See also Panaeolus castaneifolius, Panaeol[ina] foenisecii, and Panaeolus papilionaceus.

-Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, Paul Stamets, Ten Speed Press, 1996

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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1918989 - 09/15/03 07:28 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

cool. thank you for that exerpt.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: canid]
    #1918996 - 09/15/03 07:30 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Thanks for the info MM.


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1922401 - 09/16/03 07:25 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

so how is it going with the id?


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1922580 - 09/16/03 08:04 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

I would say that based on what you have provided this is a Pan ater. aka Pan fimicola. Guess I should have said that huh? They were consumed and not an active find sad to say. The Pans seem to be a hit or miss with activity. I am hopefull that this won't be the case if I ever find some Pan subbs! I will keep trying with the other Pans though and maybe some activity will occur in some of them. They seem to be able to vary from even withen the same group growing together. Some containing psilocybin while other show none. Thanks again for the info. :smile:


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1922718 - 09/16/03 08:34 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

sure what made you say that these are in fact P. fimicola?


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1923962 - 09/17/03 02:41 AM (14 years, 10 days ago)

Well they are a Pan for sure. The process of elemination is about all I could use lacking alot of other info on the two that it could be. The cap decsription in the above post and the one I have from a web page fits what I have. I have picked these twice now in large amounts. The first pick I was unsure of so I threw them away. This time with your help I was able to determine that they were either Pan ater or Pan fimicola. As closely related as these two seem to be it could only be one or the other. Or in a way both. I have found lots of Pans up here and am getting rather familiar with them now. Unactives, and sometimes could be active, seem to be in great abundance. The active ones a proving to be a challange!


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Re: Needing an ID. [Re: newAK]
    #1932561 - 09/19/03 03:26 PM (14 years, 7 days ago)

Panaeolus ater = Panaeolus fimicola


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