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Why do people hate capitalism?
    #19123208 - 11/11/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I have a lot of acid-head friends who absolutely hate the concept of capitalism and seem to make really ignorant comments about how it limits our freedom, kills our creativity, makes us into zombies, and so forth. They also get riled up about how much money our government spends on expanding our army, buying high-tech weaponry, and so forth. I have a few serious questions for anybody who thinks this way:

(1) Do you value the concept of stability? Let me begin by saying that people are FUCKING crazy. This to me is fact. I've studied history and the sheer frequency of land being conquered is astounding. It's like a never ending loop: conquer land, burn it to the ground, kill EVERY SINGLE inhabitant brutally, RINSE AND REPEAT. It's disgusting, abhorable and mind-blowing that rational human beings have gone to these extremes. I don't think we appreciate the protection we get by living in a country like the United States, I feel like the lot of us just take it for granted.

(2) You can leave anytime, can't you? If you think life is about living in a forest, drinking ayehuasca, and connecting with nature, more power to you! You do not have to be part of this system nor does the system force you to be a part of it.

(3) Is your privacy an issue? This comment usually baffles me. If you have nothing illegal to hide, what are you worried about? If you DO have something to hide and are doing something wrong, don't you deserve to be caught?


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19123262 - 11/11/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Most the people who are of the persuasion you're talking about don't believe that anybody would attack us if we quit spending on defense. They understand very little of the world and think that everyone would just get along, or they think that countries like Iran or N Korea don't pose a serious risk.

They don't leave because mom and dad are still footing their bills, and who wants to give up that?

As for privacy, in what way is invasion of privacy in the US a major concern? At least we don't have cameras everywhere like Europe does. So the NSA looks at public phone records, who gives a shit? Nobody is sitting behind a desk analyzing your internet activity for posting on a mushroom forum or AboveTopSecret. Good luck telling that to someone who is so paranoid that they believe the illuminati watches us all, though.

Oops I forgot to answer your question. The answer is: Because they suck at it.


Edited by RiderOnTheStorm (11/11/13 08:58 PM)


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19123312 - 11/11/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Because they are disillusioned with their life.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: RiderOnTheStorm] * 1
    #19123326 - 11/11/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

1) Yes, but man we do spend a LOT on defense.  Who knows, maybe it is really needed, but seems like overkill to me ever since the fall of the USSR.

2) I agree.

3) Depends on your definition of 'something to hide'.  I, for instance, just finished a very cleansing, fulfilling and life affirming trip which I feel has made me a better person.  But I would not be surprised to find out that the local Sheriffs office for whom I work disagrees with my method of self-improvement.

^^I am a programmer and database admin guys, don't freak out.  Actually, it's kind of funny because I DO drive a Sheriffs truck around all day.  Has a big Texas star on the side of it  :laugh:


Edited by Schmendrick (11/11/13 09:07 PM)


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19123497 - 11/11/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Capitalism is bullshit.

I've only done acid once, but i can see how that would contribute to seeing how shitty capitalism is.

Humans are animals, we aren't meant to live lives that consist of acquiring wealth and destroying our souls for some concept (money) that only exists to benefit a few individuals.

If i had one wish it would be to destroy the current paradigm that is capitalism. This machine kills creativity.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: underfliptown]
    #19123510 - 11/11/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
Capitalism is bullshit.

I've only done acid once, but i can see how that would contribute to seeing how shitty capitalism is.

Humans are animals, we aren't meant to live lives that consist of acquiring wealth and destroying our souls for some concept (money) that only exists to benefit a few individuals.

If i had one wish it would be to destroy the current paradigm that is capitalism. This machine kills creativity.





Or how about this... relax a bit, enjoy your youth and then when you're ready... join in on the capitalism gangbang.  You know you wanna.  It's a sausagefest in here and you know you love sausage.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Schmendrick] * 2
    #19123534 - 11/11/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nah man!

Fuck that, i just wanna move into the woods and get away from this shit!


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: underfliptown]
    #19123553 - 11/11/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
Nah man!

Fuck that, i just wanna move into the woods and get away from this shit!




Been there, done that.  It's nice.... did it for years actually.  But after a while, you realize you really do like going to the movies once in a while, and the nearest theater is 350 miles away.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Alexestalex] * 3
    #19123565 - 11/11/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

(1) The relative stability of the United States is due to reasons other than the existence of capitalism. Regardless, it would seem wrong to call something stable when we are still recovering from one of the worst market crashes is recent history--life in the US may be more stable when compared to life in the DRC but don't forget that in just the last hundred years we've seen both WWI and WWII and the great depression--some of the worst events of their kind in recorded human history--and they all occurred during the 'stability' provided by capitalism.

(2) No, leaving is not possible--the market is international and anywhere a profit can be made, you can be sure to see industrial development--the amazon... the arctic...--what isn't being directly effected by development, is being indirectly effected by climate change--isolated pacific islands... remote glacial mountain ranges...--leaving is not possible

(3) No, privacy isn't an issue--it's a right--of course I do things the government considers illegal--this site is built around the cultivation and use of a type of mushroom that is illegal throughout most of the world--i don't believe that i deserve to be punished for committing victimless crimes because i don't believe they are wrong--regardless, the right to privacy is something enshrined by just about every modern nation as far as i am aware, and i'm not exactly sure why you equate capitalism with a necessary loss of privacy--if this is how you view capitalism, i'm now even more unsure how you are able to be so enthusiastic about this type of economic system


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19123574 - 11/11/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
(1) The relative stability of the United States is due to reasons other than the existence of capitalism. Regardless, it would seem wrong to call something stable when we are still recovering from one of the worst market crashes is recent history--life in the US may be more stable when compared to life in the DRC but don't forget that in just the last hundred years we've seen both WWI and WWII and the great depression--some of the worst events of their kind in recorded human history--and they all occurred during the 'stability' provided by capitalism.

(2) No, leaving is not possible--the market is international and anywhere a profit can be made, you can be sure to see industrial development--the amazon... the arctic...--what isn't being directly effected by development, is being indirectly effected by climate change--isolated pacific islands... remote glacial mountain ranges...--leaving is not possible

(3) No, privacy isn't an issue--it's a right--of course I do things the government considers illegal--this site is built around the cultivation and use of a type of mushroom that is illegal throughout most of the world--i don't believe that i deserve to be punished for committing victimless crimes because i don't believe they are wrong--regardless, the right to privacy is something enshrined by just about every modern nation as far as i am aware, and i'm not exactly sure why you equate capitalism with a necessary loss of privacy--if this is how you view capitalism, i'm now even more unsure how you are able to be so enthusiastic about this type of economic system





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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19123575 - 11/11/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol if i wanna go to the movies i'll eat some shrooms


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: underfliptown]
    #19123588 - 11/11/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
lol if i wanna go to the movies i'll eat some shrooms




If you're seeing Harrison Ford on mushrooms, you need to send me a master culture slant. :crazy2:


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19123593 - 11/11/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

hahahah! oh man!

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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: underfliptown] * 1
    #19123608 - 11/11/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used to think like this when I first got into weed and acid and I loved that image of being a conspiracy theorist and someone that naturally hates all that capitalism stuff, but I grew out of it and now try to be true to myself and not follow an image or bias way of thinking.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: psychodelia]
    #19123730 - 11/11/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Capitalism works if you do.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19123773 - 11/11/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well for one we can't get rid off our defenses, we have made a mess and it's too late to go back. as much as i would want peace between all nations it's damn near impossible without a world wide catastrophe. no i do not think it's a good thing, but we have no choice now. so either i look like a fool or i pick up a gun and stand for the people. capitalism can suck my balls.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19123774 - 11/11/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i have a theory that the essence of capitalism is rooted in prostitution.

in that sense, capitalism would inhibit romance but it would also inhibit war.

actually, i might argue that capitalism fuels creativity because it would generate a need for people to develop new ways of making money and biding their time while they can't get laid.


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: stimpson]
    #19123781 - 11/11/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

because any type of "money system" is set to fail


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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19123788 - 11/11/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Because they are disillusioned



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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Alexestalex] * 1
    #19126937 - 11/12/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So I have a lot of acid-head friends who absolutely hate the concept of capitalism and seem to make really ignorant comments about how it limits our freedom, kills our creativity, makes us into zombies, and so forth. They also get riled up about how much money our government spends on expanding our army, buying high-tech weaponry, and so forth. I have a few serious questions for anybody who thinks this way:

(1) Do you value the concept of stability? Let me begin by saying that people are FUCKING crazy. This to me is fact. I've studied history and the sheer frequency of land being conquered is astounding. It's like a never ending loop: conquer land, burn it to the ground, kill EVERY SINGLE inhabitant brutally, RINSE AND REPEAT. It's disgusting, abhorable and mind-blowing that rational human beings have gone to these extremes. I don't think we appreciate the protection we get by living in a country like the United States, I feel like the lot of us just take it for granted.

(2) You can leave anytime, can't you? If you think life is about living in a forest, drinking ayehuasca, and connecting with nature, more power to you! You do not have to be part of this system nor does the system force you to be a part of it.

(3) Is your privacy an issue? This comment usually baffles me. If you have nothing illegal to hide, what are you worried about? If you DO have something to hide and are doing something wrong, don't you deserve to be caught?




1) Protection? You mean picking fights with the entire world which is bound to catch up with us? That has more to do with foreign policy than capitalism. I'd rather the US have a foreign policy closer to the Swiss than Team America: World Police. Stability with a FIAT currency system based on fractional reserve lending that's in constant decline is laughably impossible. The boom/bust cycle will continue until one of the busts topples everything...such is the function of any pyramid scheme system like the dollar.

2) No. Leaving is not an option as it has an effect on the entire planetary ecosystem (those roads are the size necessary to fit the dump trucks which are hundreds of feet tall, btw):

3) What am I worried about people being able to rifle through all of my stuff every day? Imagine if it was happening in person, I'm sure you'd object to such physical searches on a daily basis. It has nothing to do with the bullshit "if you have nothing to hide" nonsense. It's a basic violation of rights. "Wrong" and "illegal" are not synonymous, everyone on this forum would be in jail if everyone that "does something wrong" deserves to get caught. Furthermore, exactly how much does it cost to run operations like the NSA, and is the benefit worth the cost? Corruption is rife through public agencies and the justice system, so it's not like consistently unbiased and fair decisions result from such snooped evidence.

The important thing to understand for all of this, imo, is the biological/chemical/psychological-related variables which create societal stability, promote pro-social behavior, prevent self-destructive behavior, and foster people capable of significant innovation, self-reliance, and conscious progress. Given that we spend billions on defense, jailing people for minor drug offenses, subsidizing oil, and the like, it's embarrassing that we spend a relatively negligible fraction on brain research, stem cell research, battery tech, solar power, and similar future-looking technologies.

The problem is that we, here, partially due to many people's garbage concepts of religion and spirituality, think that it is our government's duty to punish anyone who would dare violate the revered law of the land, instead of envisioning a public system that prevents people from behaving in such ways in the first place. Mental and physical well being is not improving as capitalism matures...if anything health problems and the social/environmental/cultural consequences stemming from them are becoming increasingly serious and more widespread. Public health and civil rights (including security), imo, are the important metrics of an effective social system, otherwise what do you have? A bunch of high tech shit, luxurious houses, supercars, with owners who eat themselves to obesity while compulsively hoarding cats, ordering shit daily off of QVC, and being paranoid about their government spying on them. Some elements of capitalism and modern society work fairly well, and benefit a lot of people in fundamental ways, but it would be insane to ignore the staggering negative impacts of current institutional and economic dynamics.


Edited by Xingu (11/12/13 03:24 PM)


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