Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 1 hour
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122021 - 11/11/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psyconaught said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

psyconaught said:
for once we agree. The NASA budget is 4/10 of one percent of the Federal Budget. We have much larger fiscal fish to fry.




Such as? I'm curious what these other fiscal fish are.



The war on drugs, the defense budget, the welfare state, corporate subsidies, etc.




That's interesting that you mention the war on drugs, considering its budget is only in the millions, which is a tiny fraction of NASA's budget. And I'm not including factors in the budget such as intervention and treatment and drug-related Medicare and Medicaid services, since these services would still exist even if the Drug War didn't. Although I guess if you include prison incarceration and law enforcement activity it would be considerably more.

As for the defense budget blame Halliburton and Blackwater. They are the contractors that are overbilling the US government for substandard work, and are the ones that profited from senseless wars such as Iraq. Cheney of course, had millions of dollars of stock in Halliburton, which I believe was a huge motive for going to war. So, do you think it would be necessary to have regulation oversight or restrictions to prevent companies such as Halliburton and Blackwater for overbilling, to decrease the defense budget?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsyconaught
Chemical Connoisseur


Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 6,100
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Crystal G]
    #19122057 - 11/11/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what the fuck are you talking about? The war on drugs cost 25.6 billion dollars this year. And are you really gonna blame the contractors for getting hired? Im not even talking about the wars specifically. How about the fact that we have military bases on almost every country on earth. Or that we spend more on military than the next 14 countries combined.


--------------------
Think for yourself, question authority


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 1 hour
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122112 - 11/11/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psyconaught said:
what the fuck are you talking about? The war on drugs cost 25.6 billion dollars this year.




Yes, but do you know how that 25.6 billion is BROKEN DOWN?

Included in that 25 billion are treatment and prevention costs, which are arguably the most expensive thing. Which is why if you SUBTRACT THEM (since these programs would still exist even without the war on drugs), the budget would still cost lower than NASA's budget.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/the-national-drug-control-budget-fy-2013-funding-highlights

Quote:

And are you really gonna blame the contractors for getting hired? Im not even talking about the wars specifically. How about the fact that we have military bases on almost every country on earth. Or that we spend more on military than the next 14 countries combined.




Uh, are you serious? First you didn't know about Milton Friedman's involvement with Chile. Now you don't know about how these contractors ripped off the US military. They overcharged for everything and deliberately destroyed perfectly good, working, expensive items (items that cost between $60,000 to half a million dollars) because they knew they were going to make more money by simply billing the government as "damaged goods." Privatization of war is the entire reason we even have a military industrial complex.

I'm going to be gone for a few hours. You should watch this documentary:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsyconaught
Chemical Connoisseur


Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 6,100
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Crystal G]
    #19122176 - 11/11/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Milton Friedman was part of the Chicago group that was part of an exchange program with another chilean university. Blaming him for bad things that happened in chile is hardly intellectually honest.

And do i blame the contractors? Hell no, the reason they exist is to make money. The government shouldn't have been involved in those wars in the first place. They shouldn't have given those contracts and they shouldn't be spending that money in the first place. I blame the people who set the chain of events in motion. not who they decided to hire after the fact. The contractors probably kept the costs down because they were still more efficient than the military.

i don't care how you break it down. If you manipulate the numbers enough you could get the cost down to one million dollars. The fact is that the war on drugs cost 25.6 billion dollars. More than NASA's budget of 17.7 billion. The main difference however? Nasa actually provides a benefit to society. As opposed to the completely useless war on drugs


--------------------
Think for yourself, question authority


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTrentBoyett
Aspiring Mycologist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 16,000
Loc: Kazakhstan
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122350 - 11/11/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think space travel is one of the most important things we can be doing/researching.

Eventually the human race will have to leave the earth if they want to live, chances are a catastrophe will happen on earth and wipe out nearly all life, it's happened before and it will happen again.

I don't know much about our space program and how it is ran though.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedontknow
It's all in the reflex


Registered: 07/05/13
Posts: 3,889
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19122374 - 11/11/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

it's happened before and it will happen again




that's a quote from the history channel :lol:


--------------------
:box:

The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly. -Proverbs 15:14

:tripping2: :shroomer:  :trippinballs: :shroomin:

“Imagination is everything. It is the preview of Life’s coming attractions.”
Albert Einstein


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 1 hour
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122456 - 11/11/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dpc.senate.gov%2Fhearings%2Fhearing22%2Fjointreport.pdf&ei=HIiBUpyxI6mliQKgvoCgDA&usg=AFQjCNGb6Nd3Uw_uvPgUyEO_o3hQjCdpwQ
Quote:

psyconaught said:
Milton Friedman was part of the Chicago grohttp://rense.com/general58/costly.htmp that was part of an exchange program with another chilean university. Blaming him for bad things that happened in chile is hardly intellectually honest.

And do i blame the contractors? Hell no, the reason they exist is to make money. The government shouldn't have been involved in those wars in the first place. They shouldn't have given those contracts and they shouldn't be spending that money in the first place. I blame the people who set the chain of events in motion. not who they decided to hire after the fact. The contractors probably kept the costs down because they were still more efficient than the military.

i don't care how you break it down. If you manipulate the numbers enough you could get the cost down to one million dollars. The fact is that the war on drugs cost 25.6 billion dollars. More than NASA's budget of 17.7 billion. The main difference however? Nasa actually provides a benefit to society. As opposed to the completely useless war on drugs




Um no, quite the opposite, privatization is far more expensive than military work:
http://rense.com/general58/costly.htm

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dpc.senate.gov%2Fhearings%2Fhearing22%2Fjointreport.pdf&ei=HIiBUpyxI6mliQKgvoCgDA&usg=AFQjCNGb6Nd3Uw_uvPgUyEO_o3hQjCdpwQ

Again another baseless assumption not based on facts. If you actually did some research on the subject instead of speaking before informing yourself on the facts you would see that this is one instance where corporations were less effective than the government.

So, let me get this straight. You don't blame the company who burns 80, 000 dollar hummers or two ton trucks to bill the govt. U blame the govt for paying for damaged goods... because why wouldn't they, they're sending a corporation into their own war. :facepalm: that's like blaming the insurance company when somebody creates a scheme to cheat and fraud them. Its the insurance companys fault for covering the guy... ROFL


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsyconaught
Chemical Connoisseur


Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 6,100
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Crystal G]
    #19122483 - 11/11/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i blame the government for going to war in the first place. they were already going to spend the money they just gave the contact to a private company instead of the military. do you really think that if they simply didn't have private contractors the defense budget wouldn't be as large as it is today?`


--------------------
Think for yourself, question authority


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122496 - 11/11/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

200 dollars today is less then 170 dollars 8 years ago

tell us more about how great we have it here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Konyap]
    #19122647 - 11/11/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/06/the-federal-reserves-explicit-goal-devalue-the-dollar-33/

minimum wage is supposed to go up with inflation, it should be 8.70 right now


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsyconaught
Chemical Connoisseur


Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 6,100
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #19122732 - 11/11/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

we shouldn't have a minimum wage at all


--------------------
Think for yourself, question authority


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGilgamesh18
Herbivore Man

Registered: 03/01/12
Posts: 11,671
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122759 - 11/11/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psyconaught said:
we shouldn't have a minimum wage at all



Agreed


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19122905 - 11/11/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you guys should go live in the 1920's, you'd like it then


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsyconaught
Chemical Connoisseur


Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 6,100
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Konyap]
    #19122921 - 11/11/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No i like it new very well. I wouldn't live in any other place at any other time, but that doesn't mean i'm happy with the government


--------------------
Think for yourself, question authority


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122960 - 11/11/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can't expect things like college, trade schools and even business to function without a minimum wage

It'd be similar to a caste system no matter what you're interpretation of the will of the ten elite families


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGilgamesh18
Herbivore Man

Registered: 03/01/12
Posts: 11,671
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Konyap]
    #19122963 - 11/11/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
you guys should go live in the 1920's, you'd like it then



I actually would have liked to have been born in the late forties and be in retirement now.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsyconaught
Chemical Connoisseur


Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 6,100
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Konyap]
    #19122971 - 11/11/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
You can't expect things like college, trade schools and even business to function without a minimum wage

It'd be similar to a caste system no matter what you're interpretation of the will of the ten elite families



explain? because thats an asinine statement on every front.


--------------------
Think for yourself, question authority


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19122976 - 11/11/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Gilgamesh18 said:
Quote:

Illyabo said:
you guys should go live in the 1920's, you'd like it then



I actually would have liked to have been born in the late forties and be in retirement now.




oh great so you're one of those people that beleives hardwork pays off, you know that's when welfare and food stamps came around essentially?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGilgamesh18
Herbivore Man

Registered: 03/01/12
Posts: 11,671
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Konyap]
    #19122983 - 11/11/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
You can't expect things like college, trade schools and even business to function without a minimum wage

It'd be similar to a caste system no matter what you're interpretation of the will of the ten elite families



Dude what minimum wage limits the number of workers being hired since labor costs are one of the highest expenses a business has. If a shop pays 10 cents an hour guess what no one will work for it. It is likely that with the removal of minimum wage wages would be relatively the same. In essence you are paid what you are worth.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap

Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: psyconaught]
    #19122984 - 11/11/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psyconaught said:
Quote:

Illyabo said:
You can't expect things like college, trade schools and even business to function without a minimum wage

It'd be similar to a caste system no matter what you're interpretation of the will of the ten elite families



explain? because thats an asinine statement on every front.




no it's not, it's historical and worldly evidence


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | Next >  [ show all ]

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Capital one credit cards enderwood 457 5 05/13/06 07:17 PM
by Ythan
* What would you do if you won the lottery and became obscenely wealthy?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
RandalFlagg 4,269 80 06/26/06 11:14 PM
by Foolish_Heart
* Monsanto..
( 1 2 all )
PDU 3,174 38 11/03/09 09:12 AM
by Prisoner#1
* 3 cheers for capitalism! ZippoZM 740 12 12/17/06 03:53 PM
by Spooge
* George Carlin on Capital Punishment delta9 1,309 3 02/20/05 05:44 PM
by delta9
* Capital Punishment -- pick the method of your execution
( 1 2 3 all )
Asante 5,964 59 02/03/07 09:46 PM
by wazza
* Mass Shroomery trip #1 28th Feb
( 1 2 3 all )
Purple_Voyage 8,779 43 03/02/03 08:59 AM
by c0ma
* Made it up to Mass. What be up!? License_to_Chill 546 5 09/16/06 10:35 PM
by License_to_Chill

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
7,621 topic views. 9 members, 37 guests and 31 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.