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pan cyan & wood ?
    #1912266 - 09/13/03 12:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

hi,

does anyone had success with pan cyans and sawdust/wood pellets, or other wood-based substrat ?

or a pans not growing on wood ?

cause i?m searching for a not so easy contaminating spawn for worm castings.


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: invi]
    #1912443 - 09/13/03 01:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

No. Start with rye grain. Then you can spawn to straw. Then case with whatever you like to. Panaeolus cyanescens fruits on dung. It should not fruit on wood chips. Pan. cyanescens is different than Psilocybe cyanescens, which grows on wood chips.


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: THATS iT!]
    #1912603 - 09/13/03 02:24 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i did not want to fruit them on wood chips !

i just wanted to know if the mycelia grows on wood,
cause i wanted to use the wood chips as spawn to innoc worm castings,
which defenitly work with pan cyan to fruit......


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: invi]
    #1912675 - 09/13/03 02:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

they don't colonize on wood..... unfortunately.... :smile:


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: ph_plus]
    #1913215 - 09/13/03 05:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

ocshit...

so could i use just wormcompost as spawn ?
can it be past. & innoc by liquid culture ?


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: invi]
    #1914378 - 09/14/03 02:29 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

here in bc they colonize on maple chips, or other hardwood. Alder too. If you wanna use wood. Keep it like natue and you should get the best results. You might be able to go to a pet store and see whut the have for wood shavings. Or else a lumber yard, or someone that does finishing. Or get the skill saw out and buy a peice of mable and cut it to shreads.

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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: dastats]
    #1914380 - 09/14/03 02:30 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

mable, hahaha
maple i meant.


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: dastats]
    #1914688 - 09/14/03 05:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

why exactly would you want to use wood for a mushroom that clearly lackes the enzymes to use it as a substrate? It owuld colonise it if it was covered say in rye flour or brf, but its a waste of good wood chips!


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1914993 - 09/14/03 11:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

@bluemeanie
the idea was to find a spawn which is not so quick contaminating like any grain is - so i thought of wood.
the shrooms will get the nutrients from the wormcompost where they will be spawned to.....


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: invi]
    #1915563 - 09/14/03 03:44 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

What he is saying is you must have the mycelia allready colonized on a proper nutrient substrate that Pan. cy. will grow on first. So no the mycelia will not colonize wood first. If you try you will waste your spores. "Scattered to numerous on dung" from Paul Stamets in The Mushroom Cultivator. He does not mention wood for a reason.


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Re: pan cyan & wood ? [Re: invi]
    #1916131 - 09/14/03 07:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

dont know if this helps i found it somewhere here:
Materials needed:
1/2 pint canning jars
Hardwood Sawdust
Organic Rice or Wheat Bran (from a health food store - No Preservatives!)
Vermiculite
Large pot with lid or pressure cooker
Measuring cups
Mixing bowl
Hammer and small nail
Deep plastic tray such as one you'd find in a photography store for developing prints
Corrugated cardboard
Maple or Alder Woodchips
Lysol
Spore Syringe

For each 1/2 pint jar you will need 3/4 cups hardwood sawdust. Put the sawdust in a large mixing bowl and fill the bowl with water. Let it sit for 24 hours so the sawdust absorbs as much water as it can. Then drain out the water and mix in the bran(or organic rice); 1/4 cup for each jar. Mix all of this stuff up well. You'll know you've got it right if you squeeze a handful of the substrate and you get a few drops of water between your fingers. This mixture is the substrate which you will use to grow mycelium.
Step 3:
The next step is to fill each jar with substrate material. Fill each jar to within 1/2 inch of the top with substrate material. Do not pack the material; simply allow it to fall into the jars. If you run out of substrate material, either mix up enough for one more 1/2 pint jar or cannibalize a jar to fill up the rest of the jars. This is important because you need to make sure the substrate is high enough in the jars for the spore

Step 12:
2 weeks after your substrate cake(s) are fully colonized, you must start to prepare the spawning bed. This consists of a piece of wet corrugated cardboard which will be fully colonized by the fungus. You will need a fairly deep plastic tray, such as the ones you find at a photography store for developing prints. Cut the cardboard so that there is about 1" of space on each side when you put it in the tray. Place the cardboard in the tray and fill the tray with water. You need to let this sit overnight so that the cardboard will absorb as much water as it can.

Step 13:
After the cardboard is sufficiently soaked, you can remove the cakes from the canning jars. Unscrew and remove the lid from the canning jars. Scrape all the loose vermiculite on the top of the substrate into the garbage. Turn the jar up side down and bang it onto a table top. The substrate cake should slide out of the jar. The cakes will typically shrink a little during the colonization phase of the process and will come out of the jars easily with a little tapping on a table top.
Step 14:
Now you have to chop the substrate cakes up into small pieces about the size of marbles. You can do this by hand with a knife but it's easier to do it with a food processor. Either way you decide to do it, try to keep contamination to a minimum. Flame-sterilize the knife or the blade of the food processor, and use a work space relatively free of drafts. Spray Lysol liberally. Remember, Lysol is flammable! Keep it away from open flames

Step 15:
After you've got the substrate cake chopped up into small chunks, take the cardboard out of the tray and dump out any excess water. Spread the chunks evenly over the bottom of the tray, and place the cardboard on top. Cover the tray loosely with plastic wrap so that most of the moisture stays in but gas exchange can occur.

Over the next week or so you'll notice the mycelium colonizing the cardboard. Once the cardboard is completely covered with white fluffy mycelium, go on to the next step.

Step 16:
After the cardboard is completely colonized, lay maple or alder wood-chips down over the cardboard to a depth of about 2 inches. Soon you will notice the mycelium colonizing the wood chips as well. Once they appear to be completely colonized by the mycelium, it is time to induce fruiting.
after step 16 is where you add the chips to the worm poo i guess





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