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Over-population of the world
    #1912226 - 09/13/03 11:39 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What are the lengths that are going to need to be taken once the earth's natural resources can no longer support our increasing population? Nearly every other species on the earth controls its population (as long as we haven't fucked up some ecosystem or placed them in a different environment) but we can't seem to do it... we're much like a virus in that way. Is there a solution? Is it going to even out eventually? Or are we doomed?

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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1912255 - 09/13/03 12:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Nearly every other species on the earth controls its population ...



Incorrect. Virtually no other species controls its own population -- instead their numbers are decided by predation and/or environmental parameters. The same is true of Homo sapiens sapiens.

Don't worry about it.

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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1912342 - 09/13/03 12:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

soylent green...


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1912383 - 09/13/03 01:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)


What are the lengths that are going to need to be taken once the earth's natural resources can no longer support our increasing population?


Free sterilizations, free abortions, free birth-control, free
euthanizations. All voluntary of course.

Those things would thin the herd significantly.



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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1912447 - 09/13/03 01:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The world fertility rate is now down to 2.7 births per woman. When it reaches 2.1 the world population will be stable. The fertility rate is already 2.1 or lower in most parts of the world, so all that is needed is to legalize contraception and abortion in the countries that still have high fertility rates, and try to encourage people there to turn away from ideologies that require them to have lots and lots of children.


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: Phred]
    #1912450 - 09/13/03 01:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
Incorrect. Virtually no other species controls its own population -- instead their numbers are decided by predation and/or environmental parameters. The same is true of Homo sapiens sapiens.

Don't worry about it.

pinky



Sorry, I didn't mean it in the sense that they consciously control their population levels but as you said through environmental parameters. However, I think Humans are an exception if you consider that most of us are totally reliant on intensive farming and can no longer just survive off the earth's resources as they are. The population level is going to reach a critical level at somepoint. So if you are so sure humans are going to even themselves out in the same way as other species - how do you think it's going to happen - nuclear war? mass famine? Give me an example of another species that has grown and spread in the same way as us, without our inteference.

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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1912490 - 09/13/03 01:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Rhizoid said:
The world fertility rate is now down to 2.7 births per woman. When it reaches 2.1 the world population will be stable. The fertility rate is already 2.1 or lower in most parts of the world, so all that is needed is to legalize contraception and abortion in the countries that still have high fertility rates, and try to encourage people there to turn away from ideologies that require them to have lots and lots of children.




Easier said than done. The so-called 'ideologies' that cause people to have lots of children are mainly because it is necessary in many parts of the third world to have extensive families in order to keep farms going and bring in enough crop so that the family may survive. Also when you consider the wide-range of diseases etc. these people can get they also need to account for the fact that a member of their family may drop dead at any second. Most people would not be able to survive themselves without the extended families to help them run things such as farms. Unfortunately, this is going to mean a drastic improvement to the welfare and education of these people and their countries which is only going to happen through the debts against their countries being dropped so that they are allowed to develop. It will be extremely difficult to persuade many first world governments to do this.
It is interesting that many indigenous tribal socieities in various places manage to control their populations without conscious thought - it would be difficult for them to continue to exist in the way they always have if they didn't. Try reading 'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn or 'Cows, Pigs, Wars and Witches' by the anthropologist Marvin Harris if you want to know more.

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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1912647 - 09/13/03 02:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think the earth can support a larger population - theres no need for population control yet.

actually the problem isn't so much over-population, it's over-consumption.


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1912755 - 09/13/03 03:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Also when you consider the wide-range of diseases etc. these people can get they also need to account for the fact that a member of their family may drop dead at any second.



That 0.1 in the 2.1 figure accounts for people who drop dead prematurely. In countries where families need to breed extra children because more than 0.1 of them will die, there is of course room for higher fertility rates than 2.1 without risking overpopulation.


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1913821 - 09/13/03 09:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

over-consumption and uneven dispersion.

ain't nobody livin in the tundra....


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: afoaf]
    #1913854 - 09/13/03 10:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"What are the lengths that are going to need to be taken once the earth's natural resources can no longer support our increasing population?"


as of NOW......the real problem we face is not population its consumption!, however as third world people move closer to , and in some cases start to live the way the average american does , then we have serious problems


dont get me wrong I think overpopulation is serious , but its what and how much we all eat\use\throw away thats the problem

america being 5% of the worlds population and using 40 percent of the resources pisses me off, never mind someone with nothing

the get ahead happiness game show must end


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1913920 - 09/13/03 10:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Let's colonize Mars!


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: shakta]
    #1913929 - 09/13/03 10:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the rape of the red planet


as long as we can keep runing we dont have to change, we just have to go from planet to planet!!, genius!



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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1913931 - 09/13/03 10:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The world will recover once we've destroyed ourselves.


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: silversoul7]
    #1914033 - 09/13/03 11:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

good point


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1914040 - 09/13/03 11:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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the rape of the red planet


as long as we can keep runing we dont have to change, we just have to go from planet to planet!!, genius!






Oh give me a damn break. I just think it would be cool if we colonized some of the other planets. Who here would not like to step foot on a different dirtball in their lifetimes?


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: shakta]
    #1914050 - 09/13/03 11:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"Oh give me a damn break"
what the fuck???????????????????????


anyway I wasent being THAT sarcastic, but I do remember talking to my pot dealer about how we need to get THIS planet working good , before we run off somewhere else, not that all space research is futile, it obvious its not

although the MOON will be the new hollywood, mark my words if you are not rich , famous or a REAL lucky janitor, worker etc

you AINT GOING
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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1914085 - 09/13/03 11:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm, I think Mars would be much more hospitable. The fact that it has water and that it resembles are much more make it more attractive. It's distance would be the limiting factor. Of course a six month ride wouldn't be that bad.


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: shakta]
    #1914156 - 09/14/03 12:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

When you consider that the population of the world that is "White" is declining every year, and the population of third-world nations is sharply rising every year, you have to realise that the wrong people are having too many children. Not only do we have MASSIVE overpopulation, the gene pools that actually produce contributing members to society aren't producing as much as other gene pools. Sad state of things.


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Re: Over-population of the world [Re: shakta]
    #1914642 - 09/14/03 04:50 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Venus is almost a sister planet to Earth, so it would be an even better choice than Mars. But Venus' atmosphere has a whopping 96% CO2 content that needs to be fixed first.


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