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Re: Feminism [Re: viktor]
    #19116876 - 11/10/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One old thread, it seems like Feminism has no direction or goal.


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Re: Feminism [Re: GilbertC06]
    #19118161 - 11/11/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think white privilege exists?




Yes.


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Re: Feminism [Re: NetDiver]
    #19120381 - 11/11/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would turn to a writer who speaks to women qua women, not women in comparison to men. M. Esther Harding, and more recently, Jean Shinoda-Bolen are both female Jungian analysts, and do not explore the nature of women in comparison to stereotypical males. They deal with the level of archetypal structures, which are at least theoretically invariant across time and culture. Harding's The Way of All Women and Shinoda-Bolen's Goddesses in Everywoman spoke most clearly to me. Feminism, as a development from more authentic archetypal identity, rather than from reactivity against masculine oppression on the politico-socio-cultural front, is much healthier. Woman then recognize the same archetypes that the Greeks cast as their goddesses, each with very specific characteristics. My wife, for example, is aware of how much Athena characterizes her personality, and how much Aphrodite. Of late, she has developed more of her Hestia side. I have seen her plumb the depth of her psyche in a Persephone mode. Bolen has a book on men too, and I am aware of the archetypal 'gods' that characterize my personality - the prominent ones and the almost absent ones.

Feminism seems aimed at socio-cultural developments, which is a political level, and it has to do with 'sexual politics.' The oppression by the Patriarchy over the Matriarchy has archetypal roots. It was a consequence of humankind developing into a collective adolescence and puberty, and pushing the enveloping Great Round of the Feminine away, and then down, as Patriarchy turned from agrarian existence to warrior existence, from Deity as Mother to deity as Father. As Freud said, "anatomy is destiny," and in regard to Patriarchy, the Phallic Stage developed both spearheads and guided missiles. Much of male humankind are still stuck in this "Moloch Game" (de Ropp).


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Re: Feminism [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19120395 - 11/11/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think white privilege exists?




Yes.




No. There is no such thing as a white race, so how can white privilege exist? O


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Re: Feminism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19120424 - 11/11/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would turn to a writer who speaks to women qua women, not women in comparison to men. M. Esther Harding, and more recently, Jean Shinoda-Bolen are both female Jungian analysts, and do not explore the nature of women in comparison to stereotypical males. They deal with the level of archetypal structures, which are at least theoretically invariant across time and culture. Harding's The Way of All Women and Shinoda-Bolen's Goddesses in Everywoman spoke most clearly to me. Feminism, as a development from more authentic archetypal identity, rather than from reactivity against masculine oppression on the politico-socio-cultural front, is much healthier. Woman then recognize the same archetypes that the Greeks cast as their goddesses, each with very specific characteristics. My wife, for example, is aware of how much Athena characterizes her personality, and how much Aphrodite. Of late, she has developed more of her Hestia side. I have seen her plumb the depth of her psyche in a Persephone mode. Bolen has a book on men too, and I am aware of the archetypal 'gods' that characterize my personality - the prominent ones and the almost absent ones.

Feminism seems aimed at socio-cultural developments, which is a political level, and it has to do with 'sexual politics.' The oppression by the Patriarchy over the Matriarchy has archetypal roots. It was a consequence of humankind developing into a collective adolescence and puberty, and pushing the enveloping Great Round of the Feminine away, and then down, as Patriarchy turned from agrarian existence to warrior existence, from Deity as Mother to deity as Father. As Freud said, "anatomy is destiny," and in regard to Patriarchy, the Phallic Stage developed both spearheads and guided missiles. Much of male humankind are still stuck in this "Moloch Game" (de Ropp).




This is a very different approach to what we have seen so far, I enjoyed reading it. Have you done psychology or anthropology? It seems like your being very brief for the sake of the forum. I would enjoy a read into it.


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Re: Feminism [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19120600 - 11/11/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, really old thread that got dug up, hahaha.

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Either way consider that feminism is basically the idea that women are equal to men and deserve the same social status we have, are you against that? If you're not then essentially you're a feminist



I'm totally for this in every way, and what I came to realize from taking more courses as I finished my philosophy degree (the OP was written 3 years ago, mind you) was that I do agree that American culture (among many others out there) is broadly male-dominant and women are indeed treated primarily as sex objects in the media, which I think is wrong.

There were, however, many women I met in my classes who took that concept to cover literally anything and everything that was discussed, even relating to pure logic and metaphysics with no gender bias attached, and who refused to debate it rationally. Any ides will have its extreme adherents; when I made the OP I was just sort of overly focused on them.


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Re: Feminism [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19121365 - 11/11/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have you done psychology or anthropology?

Academically? You can click on MarkostheGnostic and it will take you to my bio.  I was trained in a multi-disciplinary doctoral program that did include some anthropological studies under 'Social Processes' of behavior. I have been a practicing psychotherapist since 1985, with about 8 years of Jungian analysis and 100 documented classroom hours of instruction by the Inter-Regional Society of Jungian Analysts. All that was quite a while ago.


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Re: Feminism [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19121518 - 11/11/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is only one race - human. But there IS such a thing as White privilege, as I have been shown repeatedly by my Nigerian-Jamaican London-born wife. Most White people I know are not even aware of their status as Whites, and not just versus Black people. Brown and Yellow people are too. German Americans carried on Bund meetings in a field belonging to German Americans during WW II. My parents felt the legacy 10 years after the war ended. A sign at the top of our road, by that field, read "No Dogs or Jews Allowed." White German Americans carried on their Nazi Bund meetings, while Japanese Americans were rounded up into concentration camps in California. Just be Middle Eastern and see how difficult it is to get through airport security without some degree of hassle. I am fair-skinned, light-haired, and blue-eyed, with Romanian and probably (though denied) German ancestry. I don't 'look' Jewish, but I can tell you that I have talked with a few fucktards in Miami who said anti-Semitic things about Jews to me because I didn't 'look' Jewish to them. I 'passed' for White, which essentially means 'Right' or 'All-Right' to haters. I think Black activist Dick Gregory once referred to Jews as "White Niggers," because some of us 'pass' for White, for human.


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