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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
    #19121347 - 11/11/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
It seems that the mods in this thread don't really need users at all, considering the consistency with which I've had words put in my mouth by them.

Just make a bunch of mod puppets and stage the conversations you feel SHOULD be in the fora.  Problem solved.






Enlil you really do have some great points, I think your being trolled by the mods and members because they can't understand how great of an idea it is, it makes sense and is practical. Sorry your causing a uproar of butt hurting. I say you message yathin with your opinions as he seems to have a head on his shoulders unlike most here.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19121350 - 11/11/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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To quote Ythan, "It is my greatest desire that the Shroomery remain a haven for free speech and differing ideologies, including those generally deemed offensive and detestable, as long as such speech is not illegal, expresses a genuine belief or opinion, and is not an obvious attempt to generate discord or disrupt the community"





Sounds to me like he did not want any flaming/trolling going on . . .


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
    #19121353 - 11/11/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One word:  Bias. 

All humans, including judges and moderators have bias.

So does magnetic tape, but that's entirely different

This is why, as long as moderators are humans, it would be wise to keep a very clear set of guidelines about when they can and can't use a banstick.  The word "trolling" is vague and subjective enough to allow one's bias to rear its ugly head.

In this very thread, you engaged in trolling when you falsely attributed a position to me and advocated for that position even though you were not expressing your sincere opinion.  Should you have been disciplined for that?  I think not.  I don't see why others should be either.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
    #19121511 - 11/11/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe any post made with the intent to get a response is trolling.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
    #19121547 - 11/11/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
I believe any post made with the intent to get a response is trolling.



So every post?

Do you remember that "shooting the rooster" thread I made? Totally not a troll thread but members on this site trolled the fuck out of it causing it to be closed. Its not one sided at all it takes 2 even if the other member did it unintentionally :sad: the other person is a cytlast for the trolling.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
    #19121555 - 11/11/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
I believe any post made with the intent to get a response is trolling.





Yeah that could pretty much be every single post ever made . ..


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
    #19121733 - 11/11/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
I believe any post made with the intent to get a response is trolling.



Cuz we all post to never get a response....

How about this, we just don't be mean to one another? Really is this kindergarten? Ban the folks that aren't contributing to the community.

Seem's pretty cut and dry to me...

But again, I'm a noob.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19121776 - 11/11/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also the site should close admission to the site for a year or so.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: LiquidGlass] * 1
    #19121779 - 11/11/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yup.

Trolling is not always malicious. Besides, you'd need to know a person's intent. Did they post with the intent of making people upset? That is really hard to determine.

It is listed as Flaming/Trolling in the Ban o Matic. Most of the time people are given points for flaming an individual, but making racist/sexist/homophobic comments that lump a group of people together in a negative way, can be considered the type of trolling that could get one in trouble.

Otherwise, banning people for trolling is kinda' unfair IMO. Everybody trolls.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: dark3st]
    #19121798 - 11/11/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dark3st said:
Quote:

Cervantes said:
I believe any post made with the intent to get a response is trolling.



So every post?

Do you remember that "shooting the rooster" thread I made? Totally not a troll thread but members on this site trolled the fuck out of it causing it to be closed. Its not one sided at all it takes 2 even if the other member did it unintentionally :sad: the other person is a cytlast for the trolling.




I posted in that thread and you ignored me for it, even though all I did was share a true story that actually happened to me that was somewhat similar to the OP, and you said I was trolling.

Oh well, I guess you just get butthurt easily.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: dark3st]
    #19121800 - 11/11/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dark3st said:
Also the site should close admission to the site for a year or so.



Horrible unfair opinion IMO.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Shroomism]
    #19121867 - 11/11/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I largely agree with enlil, however, we're talking about one small subforum on a very large site. Deciding to heavily regulate and even censor the speech on a single subforum seems reasonable to me. We're not talking about sitewide policies. We're just talking about the pub. Why not have one highly regulated subforum? If you really want to go beyond what is allowed in the pub, you can always use any of the other forums including the user created forums.

Yes, there are issues of bias and vagueness regarding the definition of trolling. But, that's why trolling works, because of the vagueness involved in defining trolling. Anyone accused of trolling who is trolling is going to deny it. That virtually requires the mods and admins to make some decisions based on how they subjectively feel about the situation.

I don't think permabans should be given, though. I think the standard response should be to ban people from the pub specifically. If you can't handle being banned from the pub for a while then you really need to leave the house and find something to do with your life.

Being banned from one subforum of one internet forum for a temporary amount of time is not the end of the world.

Having said all that, I'm still in favor of killing rule 4.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: nooneman]
    #19121965 - 11/11/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The vast majority of our permabans are given to people who make illegal or spam posts. Many members do not realize this.

Permabans for long time members are few and far between, and even then, they are almost always lifted eventually.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: nooneman]
    #19122187 - 11/11/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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nooneman said:
I largely agree with enlil, however, we're talking about one small subforum on a very large site. Deciding to heavily regulate and even censor the speech on a single subforum seems reasonable to me. We're not talking about sitewide policies. We're just talking about the pub. Why not have one highly regulated subforum? If you really want to go beyond what is allowed in the pub, you can always use any of the other forums including the user created forums.

Yes, there are issues of bias and vagueness regarding the definition of trolling. But, that's why trolling works, because of the vagueness involved in defining trolling. Anyone accused of trolling who is trolling is going to deny it. That virtually requires the mods and admins to make some decisions based on how they subjectively feel about the situation.

I don't think permabans should be given, though. I think the standard response should be to ban people from the pub specifically. If you can't handle being banned from the pub for a while then you really need to leave the house and find something to do with your life.

Being banned from one subforum of one internet forum for a temporary amount of time is not the end of the world.

Having said all that, I'm still in favor of killing rule 4.




Wtf, you pretty much just contradicted your whole post with that last sentence...


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19122546 - 11/11/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
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To quote Ythan, "It is my greatest desire that the Shroomery remain a haven for free speech and differing ideologies, including those generally deemed offensive and detestable, as long as such speech is not illegal, expresses a genuine belief or opinion, and is not an obvious attempt to generate discord or disrupt the community"





Sounds to me like he did not want any flaming/trolling going on . . .



it sounds to me like he was completely clear in what he said.


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19122559 - 11/11/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

hmmmmmm
Idk I think everyone else shouldn't be allowed to troll except me
That sounds fair


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19122626 - 11/11/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
hmmmmmm
Idk I think everyone else shouldn't be allowed to troll except me
That sounds fair



That would get boring, you gotta have some trolling partners...


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19122633 - 11/11/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

okay then you and 2 other people of my choice when I get bored.
Idk though I get pretty satisfied when people get all enraged at my posts


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett] * 1
    #19122637 - 11/11/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
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volcomstoner said:
hmmmmmm
Idk I think everyone else shouldn't be allowed to troll except me
That sounds fair



That would get boring, you gotta have some trolling partners...



tag team trolling!

(Holy shit, did I just troll? It was supposed to be funny, at least it was to me.)


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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19122768 - 11/11/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl:


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