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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19116800 - 11/10/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psychedelicking said: Minimum Wage isn't supposed to be able to support a family, it isnt supposed to be good pay. it is, supposed to be a SHIT job with a SHIT pay. so that instead of people wanting to stay in the industry, they want to move onto a better Career that they enjoy and pays. minimum wage is for students. this is the whole reason welfare sucks. people just abuse the system.

Well, why don't you two bring back the manufacturing jobs that weren't paying minimum wage, and paid a wage that was livable?
Why was my dad making $17 an hour on a light machinery assembly line in the mid-70's, but today, the same jobs are paying $9-$12 an hour?
When the manufacturing went off shore, low skill laborers needed to work somewhere, and that is for minimum retail/fast food and similar jobs.
Democrat Politicians have supported free trade agreements that have contributed to the loss of American Industry. I blame the Republicans as well, but I doubt someone with such a brainwashed hard on for their party, like yourself, would ever blame a Democrat despite the blantant history to the contrary
I am a free market capitalist for the most part but I do believe the levy of teriffs against foriegners for the betterment of America is a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government. Something both major parties have failed at.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19118088 - 11/10/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, it is progress that corporations are figuring out how to get rid of employees?
Companies don't 'figure out how to get rid of employees' They figure out exactly how many employees they need to do the job that is required.
Unlike the US Government, in a private company there are no 'non-essential workers' Only the government who doesn't have to make a profit has people on the dole that aren't necessary.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: starfire_xes]
#19118245 - 11/11/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unlike the US Government, in a private company there are no 'non-essential workers'
Bullshit, and you know it.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: psyconaught]
#19118269 - 11/11/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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First good thing I've seen Obama do in years. If minimum wage truly kept up with inflation it would be at $22 an hour.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19118298 - 11/11/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unlike the US Government, in a private company there are no 'non-essential workers'
Bullshit, and you know it.
explain please. If a company did not need workers why would they hire them?
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: psyconaught]
#19118318 - 11/11/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: explain please. If a company did not need workers why would they hire them?
Good question, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. I know a couple people that paper push or work "IT" for large, multi-nationals that tell me they sit on Reddit all day, take a ten minute smoke break every hour, and really don't do all that much in the way of work. But, since everything seems to be operating smoothly, they won't be let go.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19118355 - 11/11/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it appears that company has a lot of fat to trim by employing people in unnecessary positions then.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: psyconaught]
#19118377 - 11/11/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or they could keep their billions in profits every year and help prop up the economy that made them successful? What don't you get that not everybody has the capital to start their own business? What don't you get that not everybody is smart enough to work for anything more than $7.25 an hour? Why can't you understand that just because somebody is looking to make a profit, they don't overlook the small guys making $30k a year because they can literally hire thousands of these guys for only a few million a year?
Why is it not a corporation's responsibility to put people to work when the system the United States has allowed them to work in has made people billionaires?
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19119100 - 11/11/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It isn't about the amount of profit, though. It's about competing. Any company with extra, unnecessary employees, can easily be undercut by a competitor without those extra employees.
Plus you have horrible math skills, dude...thousands of $30k employees would cost far more than a "few million a year."
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Enlil]
#19119228 - 11/11/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"a woman who strives to a mans equal is selling herself short" I know I butchered that quote but I think the message could be applied here. If you gauge your lifestyle by min wage then the same applies.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Simplicitry]
#19119759 - 11/11/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psychedelicking said: Minimum Wage isn't supposed to be able to support a family, it isnt supposed to be good pay. it is, supposed to be a SHIT job with a SHIT pay. so that instead of people wanting to stay in the industry, they want to move onto a better Career that they enjoy and pays. minimum wage is for students. this is the whole reason welfare sucks. people just abuse the system.

Well, why don't you two bring back the manufacturing jobs that weren't paying minimum wage, and paid a wage that was livable?
Why was my dad making $17 an hour on a light machinery assembly line in the mid-70's, but today, the same jobs are paying $9-$12 an hour?
When the manufacturing went off shore, low skill laborers needed to work somewhere, and that is for minimum retail/fast food and similar jobs.
Democrat Politicians have supported free trade agreements that have contributed to the loss of American Industry. I blame the Republicans as well, but I doubt someone with such a brainwashed hard on for their party, like yourself, would ever blame a Democrat despite the blantant history to the contrary
I am a free market capitalist for the most part but I do believe the levy of teriffs against foriegners for the betterment of America is a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government. Something both major parties have failed at.

Tariffs are the only solution in my opinion, but both parties won't even discuss the issue.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: qman]
#19119785 - 11/11/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tariffs aren't a solution at all. If we tariff imports, all exports will be tariffed as well. Imports may be reduced but so will exports. The reduction in exports could easily eclipse any increase in domestic demand for domestic products.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Enlil]
#19119886 - 11/11/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Tariffs aren't a solution at all. If we tariff imports, all exports will be tariffed as well. Imports may be reduced but so will exports. The reduction in exports could easily eclipse any increase in domestic demand for domestic products.
"all exports will be tariffed as well"
Many exports are already tariffed.
"Imports may be reduced but so will exports"
We run a $500 billion trade deficit every year, we would benefit overall.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: qman]
#19119905 - 11/11/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps in the short run. In the long run, however, it would only push up the cost of goods in the U.S. and thus lower the standard of living.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Enlil]
#19120281 - 11/11/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Plus you have horrible math skills, dude...thousands of $30k employees would cost far more than a "few million a year."
Must have missed a "0" somewhere on the calculator.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19121411 - 11/11/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: My hand isn't in your wallet. Get over yourself.
Do you pay tens of thousands of dollars in taxes every year? We pay over a hundred but a few tens would get you about even with what you consume. Do you not demand more and more benefits for yourself from the public till? Yes you do. Do you not demand higher taxes on the 1%? Yes you do. You most certainly are in my wallet.
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Simplicitry]
#19121428 - 11/11/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am a free market capitalist for the most part but I do believe the levy of teriffs against foriegners for the betterment of America is a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government. Something both major parties have failed at.
No you aren't. You're a protectionist. Own it
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: zappaisgod]
#19121485 - 11/11/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am a free market capitalist for the most part but I do believe the levy of teriffs against foriegners for the betterment of America is a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government. Something both major parties have failed at.
No you aren't. You're a protectionist. Own it
I said for the most part. What's your veiw on tariffs? You at least agree it's a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government correct?
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Simplicitry]
#19121573 - 11/11/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am a free market capitalist for the most part but I do believe the levy of teriffs against foriegners for the betterment of America is a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government. Something both major parties have failed at.
No you aren't. You're a protectionist. Own it
I said for the most part. What's your veiw on tariffs? You at least agree it's a Constitutionally authorized function of the federal government correct?
I think it is Constitutionally permitted. I think that trade wars are a fucking disaster and protectionism is for wimpy faggots who can't compete. Low prices benefit the consumer and if the local worker cannot produce for a low enough cost that his product cannot overcome the huge shipping costs of overseas goods then that twat needs to figure something else out
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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19121701 - 11/11/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Timely
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/11/report-government-redistributes-more-than-2-trillion-in-one-year/
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Government policies effectively redistributed more than $2 trillion in income from the top 40 percent of American society to the bottom 60 percent in 2012, according to a new study from the nonpartisan Tax Foundation.
The study tracked the beneficiaries of government spending programs largely paid for by taxpayers who are not very big beneficiaries of those programs.
Families in the top 1 percent shouldered nearly half of the more than$2 trillion that was redistributed last year.
The study found that the country’s lowest-income families receive $5.28 in government spending for every $1 they pay in taxes. Highest-income families only receive back 25 cents in government spending for every dollar of taxes they pay.
“So little time, so much to redistribute,” Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney joked at the Al Smith Dinner during the 2012 election, referring to President Barack Obama’s economic worldview. According to the Tax Foundation, the joke was on people like him.
You have got your hand so deep into my pocket you should at least wiggle your fingers so I can get something out of it.
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