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fry day


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Panaeolus olivaceous?
#19119570 - 11/11/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
Edited by fry day (05/18/14 05:58 PM)
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: fry day]
#19119579 - 11/11/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you have better pictures, more specimens, and any additional info like habitat, spore color, or microscopy? There is not much to go on with those pics, I would not even be able to tell you with any certainty that its a Panaeolus or not.
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fry day


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: Byrain]
#19119603 - 11/11/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry about the pics, my good cam is in for repair and I'm forced to use the cell. Dunno what I was thinking not including more info. Derp.
It was all lonely near these cincts:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19115786
PNW, on little pile of horse dung next to a couple big heaps with the cincts. Sporeprint blackblackblack, prolific. Mottled gills.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: fry day]
#19119654 - 11/11/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it might be the same as your other find.
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fry day


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: Byrain]
#19119719 - 11/11/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmph. Looks QUITE different. The cincts were very zonate and dark, this one completely different shape, more like the P. antillarum, slightly striate radially (could be a bit of reticulation in the texture from drying overnight), brown in the center, fading a bit to the edge, and the stipe seemed to be much sturdier and perhaps a bit more red, hard to tell now.
Looks almost identical to these, slight color/zone difference:


Impossible with my crap pics, thanks for looking!
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: fry day]
#19119725 - 11/11/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my limited experience, P. olivaceus doesn't have such a red stem and yours kind of looks more sun faded to me. Though maybe it is and there is always P. fimicola to consider too... 
Most Panaeolus are rather difficult to identify certainly even with nice pictures/collections without doing microscopy.
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fry day


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: Byrain]
#19119803 - 11/11/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spores are blackblack, not gray black... Stipe is darker at the top.
Either way I can throw it in with the cincts...
Assuming there is nothing that looks like this that is toxic? I'm sure it's a Panaeolus of some flavor.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: fry day]
#19119810 - 11/11/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the spores are black, the gills are mottled, and its growing on dung then I think you pretty much ruled out everything except Panaeolus and there are no toxic Panaeolus.
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fry day


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: Byrain]
#19119950 - 11/11/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool, good to know I wasn't off in the weeds... Thx again!
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceous? [Re: fry day]
#19120442 - 11/11/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably Panaeolus papilionaceus
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fry day


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I observed no gill fragments in the field, and the stipe seems to be shaded opposite of the descriptions. But the possible reticulation on the pileus fits. The pics show an incurving margin when young and a bit of a peak, this one was a smooth curve on the pileus.
Positive id probably not possible without microscopy, so close enough for me on this round.
Thanks, Alan!
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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