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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Ballerium]
#19120804 - 11/11/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, so you aren't in favor of censoring the flaming/trolling/baiting and you aren't in favor of banning the repeat offenders. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with these issues?
If you remove all the rules from the pub then won't it essentially become another OTD? Are all the non-troublemakers just supposed to sit back and let the douchebags take over and run the forum into the ground even more than it already is? Seems to me like that wouldn't help improve the site's image very much. 
I didn't say to remove all of the rules, and I didn't say not to censor certain things. I said I was against banning users based for flaming/trolling...I'm particularly against it for trolling since the definition of trolling basically allows anyone to be called a troll for expressing an unpopular opinion.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120832 - 11/11/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good news Enlil. Ythan approved your single forum idea and Andy is already hard at work on the consolidation process.
We debated as to what we should call the new über-forum until I suggested we call it Enlil.
The Enlil forum will be ready for prime time very soon.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
#19120851 - 11/11/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will admit that if there is a perfect name for a universally used and loved forum, Enlil is it.
Still, the uniforum idea is a bad one...even if it is your gross misrepresentation of something I said.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120859 - 11/11/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Too late.
You have only yourself and my lack of reading comprehension to blame.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose] 1
#19120874 - 11/11/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've broad shoulders, so I can handle the blame (and the broads)...
My next suggestion, which is even better than the suggestion attributed to me, is that we improve on the uniforum idea by expanding it into multiple fora designed to categorize content in a way that makes it easier to find what one is looking for. Perhaps fora that are about specific types of content like political discussion, cultivation, etc.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil] 2
#19120882 - 11/11/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kinda' like how we do it now, except with the proper plural term for forum used?
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose] 3
#19120892 - 11/11/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kinda, only without the bannings, and the moderators can use their undeserved powers to move content to the proper forum instead of punishing people for unpopular speech.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120893 - 11/11/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Half of the people here are below-average intelligence. You have to expect that many of them find it much easier to just flame someone.
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Enlil said: I've broad shoulders, so I can handle the blame (and the broads)...
My next suggestion, which is even better than the suggestion attributed to me, is that we improve on the uniforum idea by expanding it into multiple fora designed to categorize content in a way that makes it easier to find what one is looking for. Perhaps fora that are about specific types of content like political discussion, cultivation, etc.
And then perhaps we could moderate them in some way, so the posts in the fora match the topic at hand
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120902 - 11/11/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said: And then perhaps we could moderate them in some way, so the posts in the fora match the topic at hand
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Enlil said: the moderators can use their undeserved powers to move content to the proper forum instead of punishing people for unpopular speech.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose] 5
#19120907 - 11/11/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Good news Enlil. Ythan approved your single forum idea and Andy is already hard at work on the consolidation process.
We debated as to what we should call the new über-forum until I suggested we call it Enlil.
The Enlil forum will be ready for prime time very soon.
Can someone ban this troll already? Jeez.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Everlong] 1
#19120924 - 11/11/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good point. If the mods can't participate without engaging in trolling, how can they expect the users to do so?
Again, I'm not suggesting we ban trolls..I'm suggesting we admit that it's a valuable and entertaining part of the content on this site.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil] 1
#19120938 - 11/11/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This isn't directed at anyone in particular or a reply to any particular post, for the record.
I think you get out of this community what you put into it.
For me personally, being part of this community has meant taking part in for the most part sincere and genuine discourse about things that matter to me - music, mind & heart expanding experiences, spirituality, philosophy, travel, relationships, cooking, books, movies, drug policy reform, and yes, of course, drugs. Sometimes it can be hard to sustain these types of discussions because of disruptive and immature behavior, but, for the most part, that has been my experience here. I've made some really good friends and
Then you have the people who just come here to basically fuck around and stir up drama for their own amusement. When that gets in the way of the people who are here to have discussions about things that really matter to them, I think we have a problem.
I don't think it's wrong for us to want to encourage more genuine & sincere discourse on this forum, but I don't know...maybe it is too late for the Pub....
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil] 1
#19120941 - 11/11/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Time to usher in the new censorship. Gotta clean up this site full of drug users and criminals to make it a more family-friendly site full of drug users and criminals.
Yeah, because everyone knows I'm the biggest censorship nazi the shroomery has ever seen
Get off it dude. This is the Pub. If people can't play by the rules, there's always OTD where you can flame to your heart's content.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Shroomism]
#19120956 - 11/11/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah, because everyone knows I'm the biggest censorship nazi the shroomery has ever seen
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I will personally lay the smack down. And repeat violators and people with previous ban points will get a much more severe sentence. Don't believe me? Ask mellowparty.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120973 - 11/11/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your title is quite apt.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120992 - 11/11/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Kinda, only without the bannings, and the moderators can use their undeserved powers to move content to the proper forum instead of punishing people for unpopular speech.
Oh, I see. So people could post whatever they want wherever they want, and it would be up to the staff to put the posts and threads in their proper place... thus making the staff do clerical work for the unintelligent. People will be lined up around the block to vollunteer for that job. Another great idea Enlil!
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
#19121017 - 11/11/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most people would generally post in the appropriate forum, much like they do now. Mods would move some content, sure...but probably not that much...sorta like it is now...
...only without the bannings.
Will it be harder to get people to moderate when they don't have the dick-enlarging option of banning users in retaliation of real or perceived slights? Probably...but the quality of the mods would be far better in the long run.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Shroomism]
#19121026 - 11/11/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How many ban points would I get for telling you to fuck off? Just wondering, I currently have none and am curious to know what it feels like to sit on the naughty step in the pub. Purely from a hypothetical standpoint you understand..
For the record that was intentionally worded as a question, I would never tell you to fuck off Shroomism.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19121038 - 11/11/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look, the ban stick does not enlarge one's dick. It only compensates for a small one.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: egodeathflux]
#19121042 - 11/11/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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