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Enlil
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The metaphor fails when it is converted to humans instead of fruit. The idiocy of the pub can only be fixed by less censorship...not more. A community will enforce its own standards if left to do so. The more people are silenced, however, the less that community members are willing to take a chance by speaking up. The only ones who will are those that don't care if they're banned...ie...those that don't value the community or their place in it.
Censorship acts like gun control. It will only silence the ones who follow the rules. Those that break them will always break them and always come back to break them again.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120477 - 11/11/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Cultivation forum issues are not relevant to the topic of this thread, however. This thread is about the pub.
Yeah, but we're just talking about it because one dude said to get rid of ratings, and ratings are most important in mush cult... I digress though.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120479 - 11/11/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We'll have to disagree.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120491 - 11/11/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Cultivation forum issues are not relevant to the topic of this thread, however. This thread is about the pub.
Removing ratings would affect the cultivation forums, that's all I was trying to say.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120496 - 11/11/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The metaphor fails when it is converted to humans instead of fruit. The idiocy of the pub can only be fixed by less censorship...not more. A community will enforce its own standards if left to do so. The more people are silenced, however, the less that community members are willing to take a chance by speaking up. The only ones who will are those that don't care if they're banned...ie...those that don't value the community or their place in it.
Censorship acts like gun control. It will only silence the ones who follow the rules. Those that break them will always break them and always come back to break them again.
No it won't, OTD is a good example of that concept not really working.
And I have no problem respectfully speaking up, nor do a lot of other posters I know.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19120549 - 11/11/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Removing ratings would affect the cultivation forums, that's all I was trying to say.
So remove general rates and add cultivation ONLY rates.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Enlil
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett] 1
#19120552 - 11/11/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do you figure that OTD isn't working? If there is a forum on this site where the community enforces its own standards, that is OTD. The pub, on the other hand, tries to enforce standards that are artificially created to make the site to appear to be something that it isn't.
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Mush4Brains said: Removing ratings would affect the cultivation forums, that's all I was trying to say.
So remove general rates and add cultivation ONLY rates.
I suggested that in the megathread.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Shroomism]
#19120571 - 11/11/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There sure are a lot of cry babies in this thread.
I think the pub was fine, but that's just my opinion. 
Also mellowparty was being a loser for days trying to get banned on purpose.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: barong]
#19120574 - 11/11/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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barong said: sorry, this is the Shroomery youre talking about, right? This place is the worlds biggest shithole for kids abusing drugs. There are credible places to visit for discussion on proper drug experiences. This placeis such a joke that fucking around is the main reason people come here.
where?
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19120628 - 11/11/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Mush4Brains said: Removing ratings would affect the cultivation forums, that's all I was trying to say.
So remove general rates and add cultivation ONLY rates.
I suggested that in the megathread.
So reward yourself with a cookie and a wank.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120661 - 11/11/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The metaphor fails when it is converted to humans instead of fruit. The idiocy of the pub can only be fixed by less censorship...not more. A community will enforce its own standards if left to do so. The more people are silenced, however, the less that community members are willing to take a chance by speaking up. The only ones who will are those that don't care if they're banned...ie...those that don't value the community or their place in it.
Censorship acts like gun control. It will only silence the ones who follow the rules. Those that break them will always break them and always come back to break them again.
So are you still in favor of banning the ones who continuously come back to break the rules?
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Ballerium] 1
#19120677 - 11/11/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I never was in favor of banning anyone. I think banning people has a chilling effect on speech, and I'm almost always against it. The exception for me is where a particular user's speech threatens the site or its users, such as instances of source discussion or other discussion that might subject the site to legal liability.
Of course, it's not my site, and I don't make up the rules or policies. All I can do is advocate for my position and hope to make some impact with my advocacy.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120701 - 11/11/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: How do you figure that OTD isn't working? If there is a forum on this site where the community enforces its own standards, that is OTD. The pub, on the other hand, tries to enforce standards that are artificially created to make the site to appear to be something that it isn't.
I didn't say the OTD is not working, I said that concept is not working in OTD.
OTD has virtually no standards, ~90%+ of it is trolling/flaming, it seems a large part of what they do is repeat the same few tired profane slurs/phrases over & over, with the occasional creative post that is still normally either trolling/ a flame.
I agree with virtually all the pub rules, although sometimes some people deserve a little bit of flaming.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120725 - 11/11/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Half of the people here are below-average intelligence. You have to expect that many of them find it much easier to just flame someone.
Thats kinda like, the definition of average.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120732 - 11/11/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I never was in favor of banning anyone. I think banning people has a chilling effect on speech, and I'm almost always against it. The exception for me is where a particular user's speech threatens the site or its users, such as instances of source discussion or other discussion that might subject the site to legal liability.
Of course, it's not my site, and I don't make up the rules or policies. All I can do is advocate for my position and hope to make some impact with my advocacy.
Okay, so you aren't in favor of censoring the flaming/trolling/baiting and you aren't in favor of banning the repeat offenders. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with these issues?
If you remove all the rules from the pub then won't it essentially become another OTD? Are all the non-troublemakers just supposed to sit back and let the douchebags take over and run the forum into the ground even more than it already is? Seems to me like that wouldn't help improve the site's image very much.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19120734 - 11/11/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it seems the cosmic jimmies have been rustled.
this was foretold by the nazis and hitler, although everybody already knows this
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120735 - 11/11/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The metaphor fails when it is converted to humans instead of fruit. The idiocy of the pub can only be fixed by less censorship...not more. A community will enforce its own standards if left to do so. The more people are silenced, however, the less that community members are willing to take a chance by speaking up. The only ones who will are those that don't care if they're banned...ie...those that don't value the community or their place in it.
Censorship acts like gun control. It will only silence the ones who follow the rules. Those that break them will always break them and always come back to break them again.
That is a great point.
We should allow free speech and consolidate down to one single forum where anybody can talk about whatever they want wherever they want. No need to keep OTD out of Cultivation or Anything goes out of the Sponsors Forum.
Great suggestion Enlil!
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Rose]
#19120741 - 11/11/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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Enlil said: The metaphor fails when it is converted to humans instead of fruit. The idiocy of the pub can only be fixed by less censorship...not more. A community will enforce its own standards if left to do so. The more people are silenced, however, the less that community members are willing to take a chance by speaking up. The only ones who will are those that don't care if they're banned...ie...those that don't value the community or their place in it.
Censorship acts like gun control. It will only silence the ones who follow the rules. Those that break them will always break them and always come back to break them again.
That is a great point.
We should allow free speech and consolidate down to one single forum where anybody can talk about whatever they want wherever they want. No need to keep OTD out of Cultivation or Anything goes out of the Sponsors Forum.
Great suggestion Enlil!
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: NotTheDevil] 3
#19120775 - 11/11/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: That is a great point.
We should allow free speech and consolidate down to one single forum where anybody can talk about whatever they want wherever they want. No need to keep OTD out of Cultivation or Anything goes out of the Sponsors Forum.
Great suggestion Enlil!
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NotTheDevil said: Thats kinda like, the definition of average.
I know right?
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