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And the summary?
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i heard somewhere a scientist took a human cadaver and processed it down to it's bare mineral content... carbon, calcium, sulphur, etc and calculated that in material terms a person is worth about $4.40-- just under five bucks.
so what it says to me is that if you are caught living in a world where you only can measure your personal happiness in terms of material wealth then you'll obviously suffer from a lack of self-worth regardless of your achievements.
Honestly--- the happiest places on earth for people are not necessarily where people make the most money, like the country of Bhutan for example
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we'll see how this maniac medication pans out
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Someone quote me:
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Re: worthless [Re: Hobozen]
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psychotikfuck said: Am I worth anything ? He asks himself, For a time he doesn't know... Cause he hasn't kept track, Can't even keep his life, let alone his mind on one track. He knows, but can't articulate, the amount of focus he lacks, as he compares the intellectual symphonies, that he remembers from way back when he felt pure, his intention, intact. connected, to a source no one speaks of, the truth in the back of the room, no one picks up. Easy to lose if ya slip up, He's got the blues Cause he didn't know this, Everything he contemplated at lightspeed, Causing him to crave drugs he didn't need, to slow things down so he could just 'be', too young on this earth for what his soul was trying to help him see, feeling as if, he was growing old as if he'd never make it passed 20, He wished he couldn't see anymore, what made him act so funny, always commenting on the ignorance, of all the kids around him, until they got annoyed and pissed, they didn't see him profoundly, they just talked shit when no one was around to see, knowing what he was saying, was above their heads, conceptual limits, cognitive dissonance, it isn't cool to be able to, see where your societies limits is, And fuck being grammatically correct, Everything I say is said in context. Aint no wrong or right, just what I said. I know puttin' all these feelings on my head, probably isn't right, in fact I know it's wrong Cause for the millionth time, I've lost my focus, interrupted my life, Began wasting my time, craving pills I thought I had left behind, This definitely isn't right, but neither is the shit I run from, Need to find some middle ground, Somewhere inbetween lost and found, Need to find a balance, Between miserable and fucking swell, Cause these extremes, Got me tasting then chasing heaven... Only to wind up in hell.
Roses are red Violets are purple Sugar is sweet Just like maple surple.
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thanks for all of the compliments you funny funny people
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Let that blow over Worthiness measured by popular media means breast implants and car loans iykwim
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Are you fishing for compliments in the debate forum? This ain't facebook
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This ain't facebook; it's slap-your-face book!
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Well, you can either live up to the truth you see, and manifest it for others by helpful actions, or not. Compassion is a solid base for establishing self-worth. Being kind isn't one of those things that creates a big ego, and it may not be appreciated by the multitudes, but it does create a sort of subtle body, a presence that draws kids and critters, and maybe a few sensitive souls to you from a world of crudity. Or, like my old acquaintance Phil, who saw something of life but couldn't/wouldn't live up to it, took a dose of Orange Sunshine to bolster his resolve, and took a swan dive off a cliff that overlooked NYC from South Mountain Reservation in NJ. Killed himself at age 20, terrified of growing old. That was 40 years ago. Poor Phil dead and gone. BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.
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MarkostheGnostic said: BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.
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Re: worthless [Re: Hobozen]
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MarkostheGnostic said: BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.
How compassionate. 
How judgmental! 
I was the one Phil was 'using' to get him high, talk with him, drive him around town to return library books, pick up dry cleaning, and generally tie up loose ends. I was just an acquaintance to him, and he to me. He left 12 suicide letters to his friends (not me) and a scathing one to his parents. When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to." A couple days later, Phil climbed up and dove off a much higher cliff.
Phil's death, and my failure to see all the obvious signs that he was suicidal influenced me to become a crisis intervention counselor for 27 years, during which time I did have the opportunity of saving kids lives, from drug overdoses and self-mutilation gone bad. So, yeah, it was compassionate hanging with Phil. I was only 19, and I just wasn't wise enough to be more compassionate. What's your excuse?
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MarkostheGnostic said: BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.
How compassionate. 
How judgmental! 
I was the one Phil was 'using' to get him high, talk with him, drive him around town to return library books, pick up dry cleaning, and generally tie up loose ends. I was just an acquaintance to him, and he to me. He left 12 suicide letters to his friends (not me) and a scathing one to his parents. When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to." A couple days later, Phil climbed up and dove off a much higher cliff.
Phil's death, and my failure to see all the obvious signs that he was suicidal influenced me to become a crisis intervention counselor for 27 years, during which time I did have the opportunity of saving kids lives, from drug overdoses and self-mutilation gone bad. So, yeah, it was compassionate hanging with Phil. I was only 19, and I just wasn't wise enough to be more compassionate. What's your excuse?
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MarkostheGnostic said: BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.
How compassionate. 
How judgmental! 
I was the one Phil was 'using' to get him high, talk with him, drive him around town to return library books, pick up dry cleaning, and generally tie up loose ends. I was just an acquaintance to him, and he to me. He left 12 suicide letters to his friends (not me) and a scathing one to his parents. When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to." A couple days later, Phil climbed up and dove off a much higher cliff.
Phil's death, and my failure to see all the obvious signs that he was suicidal influenced me to become a crisis intervention counselor for 27 years, during which time I did have the opportunity of saving kids lives, from drug overdoses and self-mutilation gone bad. So, yeah, it was compassionate hanging with Phil. I was only 19, and I just wasn't wise enough to be more compassionate. What's your excuse?
I take back what I said. It was an emotional response. It didn't sound like you had accepted his death with the words that you used.
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MarkostheGnostic said: When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to."
I've heard this logic from several people. I can't find a rational argument against it but it feels intuitively wrong. Is it the sort of thing suicidal people would say?
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Re: worthless [Re: viktor]
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I know someone who would say stuff like that from time to time--- he got into drugs then got out of drugs then joined the army. I think he's still out there somewhere in the middle east getting shot at
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Who needs an excuse because they don't meet your arbitrary standards of "righteousness"?
My standard of "righteousness" is not arbitrary, it is specific. It is kindness. But you, who claims to deny morality, are either a poseur, or someone who embraces significant immoral behaviors, since human behavior is never amoral. In the latter instance, you are probably not planning on a long life for yourself. But I am more concerned about those whose lives intersect with your's.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Who needs an excuse because they don't meet your arbitrary standards of "righteousness"?
My standard of "righteousness" is not arbitrary, it is specific. It is kindness. But you, who claims to deny morality, are either a poseur, or someone who embraces significant immoral behaviors, since human behavior is never amoral. In the latter instance, you are probably not planning on a long life for yourself. But I am more concerned about those whose lives intersect with your's.
Resorting to personalisms again?

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Not personalisms if you said it yourself. And yeah, I live by assumed values. One value is based on research findings such as the invariant development of morality among human groups in some 300 observed cultures. The moral developmental scheme of Lawrence Kohlberg, whose work was based on Jean Piaget's discoveries, has provided me with a cognitive map of those moral judgements that are intuitive for me. All I have suggested is that if you have no internal moral compass (as in your own words from another thread: "Morality doesn't exist."), then the laws which guide behavior will be important for you to acknowledge in order to live a full and free life. I don't necessarily mean every little law of man, but those which violate 'divine law,' and by that I mean Compassion, and by corollary, Empathy, not scripture or tradition. So my assumption is that Compassion is indicative of a transcendental function operating in people. This is what I 'assume' designates normalcy in human beings. But, normalcy isn't determined by majority. As most people agree, we live in a very sick world.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Not personalisms if you said it yourself. And yeah, I live by assumed values. One value is based on research findings such as the invariant development of morality among human groups in some 300 observed cultures. The moral developmental scheme of Lawrence Kohlberg, whose work was based on Jean Piaget's discoveries, has provided me with a cognitive map of those moral judgements that are intuitive for me. All I have suggested is that if you have no internal moral compass (as in your own words from another thread: "Morality doesn't exist."), then the laws which guide behavior will be important for you to acknowledge in order to live a full and free life. I don't necessarily mean every little law of man, but those which violate 'divine law,' and by that I mean Compassion, and by corollary, Empathy, not scripture or tradition. So my assumption is that Compassion is indicative of a transcendental function operating in people. This is what I 'assume' designates normalcy in human beings. But, normalcy isn't determined by majority. As most people agree, we live in a very sick world.
so u seem to agree with all of my fundementals but your one of the only people to talk shit about my writing if my drunk holiday infused self is correct bro you make no sense and I've had friends kill themselves and I didn't spend 27 years in a career over it. maybe you wasted your fucking time over phil and maybe he was right...
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