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Re: worthless *DELETED* [Re: psychotikfuck]
    #19126878 - 11/12/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Post deleted by psychotikfuck<p>Reason for deletion: b.c. i hate people




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Re: worthless [Re: Hobozen]
    #19132106 - 11/13/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.




How compassionate. :rolleyes:


 
How judgmental! :wtf:

I was the one Phil was 'using' to get him high, talk with him, drive him around town to return library books, pick up dry cleaning, and generally tie up loose ends. I was just an acquaintance to him, and he to me. He left 12 suicide letters to his friends (not me) and a scathing one to his parents. When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to." A couple days later, Phil climbed up and dove off a much higher cliff.

Phil's death, and my failure to see all the obvious signs that he was suicidal influenced me to become a crisis intervention counselor for 27 years, during which time I did have the opportunity of saving kids lives, from drug overdoses and self-mutilation gone bad. So, yeah, it was compassionate hanging with Phil. I was only 19, and I just wasn't wise enough to be more compassionate. What's your excuse?


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Re: worthless [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #19132168 - 11/13/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.




How compassionate. :rolleyes:


 
How judgmental! :wtf:

I was the one Phil was 'using' to get him high, talk with him, drive him around town to return library books, pick up dry cleaning, and generally tie up loose ends. I was just an acquaintance to him, and he to me. He left 12 suicide letters to his friends (not me) and a scathing one to his parents. When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to." A couple days later, Phil climbed up and dove off a much higher cliff.

Phil's death, and my failure to see all the obvious signs that he was suicidal influenced me to become a crisis intervention counselor for 27 years, during which time I did have the opportunity of saving kids lives, from drug overdoses and self-mutilation gone bad. So, yeah, it was compassionate hanging with Phil. I was only 19, and I just wasn't wise enough to be more compassionate. What's your excuse?




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What's your excuse?




:curbyourenthusiasm:

Who needs an excuse because they don't meet your arbitrary standards of "righteousness"?


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Re: worthless [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19132453 - 11/13/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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blankk said:
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BIG mistake Phil, you pissed away a priceless life that you refused to live. What a waste.




How compassionate. :rolleyes:


 
How judgmental! :wtf:

I was the one Phil was 'using' to get him high, talk with him, drive him around town to return library books, pick up dry cleaning, and generally tie up loose ends. I was just an acquaintance to him, and he to me. He left 12 suicide letters to his friends (not me) and a scathing one to his parents. When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to." A couple days later, Phil climbed up and dove off a much higher cliff.

Phil's death, and my failure to see all the obvious signs that he was suicidal influenced me to become a crisis intervention counselor for 27 years, during which time I did have the opportunity of saving kids lives, from drug overdoses and self-mutilation gone bad. So, yeah, it was compassionate hanging with Phil. I was only 19, and I just wasn't wise enough to be more compassionate. What's your excuse?




I take back what I said.  It was an emotional response.  It didn't sound like you had accepted his death with the words that you used.


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Re: worthless [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19132984 - 11/13/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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When hanging by a waterfall he pointed to a kid balancing on its edge and said "He's gonna break his neck," to which I responded, "Hey Phil, if the kid fell, would you rush down to try and help?" Phil said, "Nah. If he falls, it's because he wants to."




I've heard this logic from several people. I can't find a rational argument against it but it feels intuitively wrong. Is it the sort of thing suicidal people would say?


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Re: worthless [Re: viktor]
    #19135196 - 11/14/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know someone who would say stuff like that from time to time--- he got into drugs then got out of drugs then joined the army.  I think he's still out there somewhere in the middle east getting shot at


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Re: worthless [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19137342 - 11/14/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who needs an excuse because they don't meet your arbitrary standards of "righteousness"?

My standard of "righteousness" is not arbitrary, it is specific. It is kindness. But you, who claims to deny morality, are either a poseur, or someone who embraces significant immoral behaviors, since human behavior is never amoral. In the latter instance, you are probably not planning on a long life for yourself. But I am more concerned about those whose lives intersect with your's.


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Re: worthless [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19137554 - 11/14/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who needs an excuse because they don't meet your arbitrary standards of "righteousness"?

My standard of "righteousness" is not arbitrary, it is specific. It is kindness. But you, who claims to deny morality, are either a poseur, or someone who embraces significant immoral behaviors, since human behavior is never amoral. In the latter instance, you are probably not planning on a long life for yourself. But I am more concerned about those whose lives intersect with your's.




Resorting to personalisms again?
:notimpressed:

A lot of assumptions in your post, "human behavior is never amoral" - werd.


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Re: worthless [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19139165 - 11/14/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not personalisms if you said it yourself. And yeah, I live by assumed values. One value is based on research findings such as the invariant development of morality among human groups in some 300 observed cultures. The moral developmental scheme of Lawrence Kohlberg, whose work was based on Jean Piaget's discoveries, has provided me with a cognitive map of those moral judgements that are intuitive for me.  All I have suggested is that if you have no internal moral compass (as in your own words from another thread: "Morality doesn't exist."), then the laws which guide behavior will be important for you to acknowledge in order to live a full and free life. I don't necessarily mean every little law of man, but those which violate 'divine law,' and by that I mean Compassion, and by corollary, Empathy, not scripture or tradition. So my assumption is that Compassion is indicative of a transcendental function operating in people. This is what I 'assume' designates normalcy in human beings. But, normalcy isn't determined by majority. As most people agree, we live in a very sick world.


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Re: worthless [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19323854 - 12/25/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not personalisms if you said it yourself. And yeah, I live by assumed values. One value is based on research findings such as the invariant development of morality among human groups in some 300 observed cultures. The moral developmental scheme of Lawrence Kohlberg, whose work was based on Jean Piaget's discoveries, has provided me with a cognitive map of those moral judgements that are intuitive for me.  All I have suggested is that if you have no internal moral compass (as in your own words from another thread: "Morality doesn't exist."), then the laws which guide behavior will be important for you to acknowledge in order to live a full and free life. I don't necessarily mean every little law of man, but those which violate 'divine law,' and by that I mean Compassion, and by corollary, Empathy, not scripture or tradition. So my assumption is that Compassion is indicative of a transcendental function operating in people. This is what I 'assume' designates normalcy in human beings. But, normalcy isn't determined by majority. As most people agree, we live in a very sick world.





so u seem to agree with all of my fundementals but your one of the only people to talk shit about my writing if my drunk holiday infused self is correct bro you make no sense and I've had friends kill themselves and I didn't spend 27 years in a career over it.  maybe you wasted your fucking time over phil and maybe he was right... :justkillmenow:


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