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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120252 - 11/11/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: isn't self improvement one of the reasons people take these drugs to begin with?
If someone is using psychedelics to improve himself/herself, he/she must be pretty fucking bad off to begin with.
I think your expectations are far too high.
Not really, psychedelics have long histories of having healing properties.
They can definitely lift your spirits and make you view stuff in different ways.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett] 1
#19120260 - 11/11/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: If you want to get a rise out of someone or express your disagreement about something, is it really that hard to put some thought into your post before you spit out a bunch of garbage yourself? That puts you on the same level as the person you are trying to piss off/flame/troll IMO. It makes more sense to me to write out an eloquent post pointing out whatever faults/stupidity you want to point out. That way you still put your opinion out there, and you get to feel nice and smug because you won't be banned or warned for it. And it paints you in a better light by making you come off as someone who isn't immature and can manage their emotions. It IS possible to get your point across without flaming someone if you'd just put some thought into what you say.
Not sure if that was directed at me or if that was a reply fail, but I try not to flame, I try just to point out what the person does in a way that won't get me warned/banned, but I will admit I sometimes get angry and I have a hard time controlling what I say, but that's not too often...
Sorry, when I said you, I meant you in general, not you specifically. I have noticed that you like to post your complaints in the butthurt thread, including complaints about people that made you feel butthurt for whatever reason. The more you do that, the more people are going to try and gget a rise out of you because they see how easy it is to upset you. Just saying.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19120266 - 11/11/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Different isn't always better, and healthy people don't need drugs to lift their spirits.
My point is that a large portion of this community is fucked up. Expecting the community to not reflect that is expecting too much. This is ultimately just another wave of the ever-increasing censorship on this site.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Ballerium]
#19120276 - 11/11/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: If you want to get a rise out of someone or express your disagreement about something, is it really that hard to put some thought into your post before you spit out a bunch of garbage yourself? That puts you on the same level as the person you are trying to piss off/flame/troll IMO. It makes more sense to me to write out an eloquent post pointing out whatever faults/stupidity you want to point out. That way you still put your opinion out there, and you get to feel nice and smug because you won't be banned or warned for it. And it paints you in a better light by making you come off as someone who isn't immature and can manage their emotions. It IS possible to get your point across without flaming someone if you'd just put some thought into what you say.
Not sure if that was directed at me or if that was a reply fail, but I try not to flame, I try just to point out what the person does in a way that won't get me warned/banned, but I will admit I sometimes get angry and I have a hard time controlling what I say, but that's not too often...
Sorry, when I said you, I meant you in general, not you specifically. I have noticed that you like to post your complaints in the butthurt thread, including complaints about people that made you feel butthurt for whatever reason. The more you do that, the more people are going to try and gget a rise out of you because they see how easy it is to upset you. Just saying.
I know, I complain in there so I'm not bitching all over the place, and not too many people give me a hard time, and a lot of times if they do I ignore it unless they're persistent. Half of the stuff I post in there are halfway jokes anyways.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120283 - 11/11/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: isn't self improvement one of the reasons people take these drugs to begin with?
If someone is using psychedelics to improve himself/herself, he/she must be pretty fucking bad off to begin with.
I think your expectations are far too high.
I'm sure some people are somewhat bad off to begin with. Hence the realization that they could use some improvement and seeking out something to aid them in that.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120293 - 11/11/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Different isn't always better, and healthy people don't need drugs to lift their spirits.
My point is that a large portion of this community is fucked up. Expecting the community to not reflect that is expecting too much. This is ultimately just another wave of the ever-increasing censorship on this site.
I understand what your saying, but that is no reason to allow blatant trolling/flaming in the pub, which is supposed to be a somewhat lighthearted forum. There's other forums people can go to on this site if they really want to flame/troll.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19120301 - 11/11/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Exactly and if they can't bring themselves to post there then something has to give and rules have to be enforced.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Ballerium]
#19120303 - 11/11/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: It would be great if the image of this forum could become something other than a joke.
End OTD, for a start. Then get rid of rates and the ignore function. Those three things alone would likely reduce the amount of juvenile behavior by a good deal.
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I don't know if ending OTD would do more harm or good. It's hard to say. I don't really want those people all spilling into the pub. I agree about ignore function. Disagree about ratings. I think they are a good thing when used as intended by people who don't abuse the system. And those who do should be banned.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: nicechrisman]
#19120324 - 11/11/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see the trade rates as helpful while the general rates are rarely anything other than a pissing contest.
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Ballerium said: It would be great if the image of this forum could become something other than a joke.
End OTD, for a start. Then get rid of rates and the ignore function. Those three things alone would likely reduce the amount of juvenile behavior by a good deal.
If you get rid of OTC people will just flock to other forums here to troll, I think otd is needed.
Ratings can also be a good thing, especially when dealing with people in Mushroom Cultivation, to see how credible a person is, and to give thanks for getting help. Often times people misuse the ratings system though.
And why get rid of the ignore feature? I will never ignore anyone because I think it's kind of stupid, but sometimes people just don't like seeing other posters for various, often justified, reasons.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19120351 - 11/11/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mjmihalov said: If you get rid of OTC people will just flock to other forums here to troll, I think otd is needed.
That's what the permaban is for.
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Ratings can also be a good thing, especially when dealing with people in Mushroom Cultivation, to see how credible a person is, and to give thanks for getting help. A lot of times people misuse thedm though.
You can thank them in the thread and rates are troll fests which basically makes them useless for even cultivation. That's what the TC tag is for.
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And why get rid of the ignore feature? I will never ignore anyone because I think it's kind of stupid, but sometimes people just don't like seeing other posters for various, often justified, reasons.
Because it's childish. Childish behavior begets more childish behavior. This childish behavior then angers some and it spills out into the threads.
If a poster lacks the maturity to ignore someone through willpower, they are not a benefit to the site or other posters.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19120367 - 11/11/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can agree with both sides of the argument when it comes to the ignore feature. But if it were removed, maybe it would force people to reconcile their differences if they realize they're going to have to put up with each other. Or it could also go the other way too I suppose. I'm just throwing ideas out there.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#19120396 - 11/11/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's what the permaban is for.
So, you're against the ignore function, but you're okay with a permaban?
The ignore function is censorship on a personal level that allows one person to control the content he/she sees...A permaban is censorship on a general level that allows one person to control the content that everyone sees.
You're really in favor of the latter and not the former?
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I dunno if otd, ratings, and ignore really work how they should; but I don't see how removing them would make things any better.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Shroomism] 1
#19120436 - 11/11/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see how you don't want people saying 'ur a fag' to everything I get that but sometimes a bit of a flame is warranted. Lite-pub flame. Mods here are pretty lax but sometimes shit happens and you gotta look at the context. I don't know why people are talking about shutting down OTD like they even want to go in to the pub Honestly it's retarded why would you want to shut down the forum they all post in and release the scurge anyway. wait nevermind do it for the laughs I'd like to see OTD in here responding to nothing but Pub threads about how mom found my bowl and is there a god?
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Not every successful grower that helps people is a TC though, people like notahacker420 for example...
And generally people in mush cult don't troll ratings, usually they're honest, if someone repeatedly gives bad advice chances are they'll be rated low, and if someone generally gives good advice chances are they'll be rated highly.
Generally as long as you stay out of OTD you won't get ratings raped.
EDIT: and permabans are more work for mods that already do a lot, why not just leave them alone where they're at? Plus even if someone gets permabanned chances are they'll just make a puppet.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Lynnch]
#19120441 - 11/11/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can thank them in the thread and rates are troll fests which basically makes them useless for even cultivation. That's what the TC tag is for.
There are plenty of solid cultivators who don't have TC tags though, and their ratings show it. Without cultivation ratings we would have trolls like anne halonium giving people advice and if nobody was there to correct, noobs would be SOL, because she has no idea what the fuck she is talking about.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19120455 - 11/11/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cultivation forum issues are not relevant to the topic of this thread, however. This thread is about the pub.
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Re: ATTN: Trolling, flaming and BS [Re: Enlil]
#19120459 - 11/11/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You're really in favor of the latter and not the former?
Yes. Remove the bad fruit before it spoils the whole bag.
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