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help me understand feminism/sexism?
#19119754 - 11/11/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sexists say that women are less intelligent and should be forced into submissive roles(right?) I see this in modern rap/hip-hop culture
Feminists say what exactly? That women should NOT be forced into submissive roles?
Is it sexist of me to say that I think a woman would be much more able to raise a child than a male (obviously there are special cases, but statistically speaking)?
Also, in my limited expereince, women tend to enjoy being dominated in bed. Girls haven't directly said that, but when I get aggresive and take control in bed, women have typically responded positively ie through moaning etc. Is this sexual domination what drives chauvinism? That same domination that males enjoy and submission that females enjoy in bed is misinterpreted and taken outside of the bedroom?
I don't know exactly how to "respect" women. Should I treat them as equals?
Is it sexist to say that I can ethically hit a woman? (this would be putting them on an equal level. But everyone would call me sexist if I say this)
Or is it sexist to say that I cannot hit a woman? (this would enforce the stereotypes that I see in victorian literature. Ie in dracula, the women are depicted as delicate objects of beauty to be admired from afar. But when dracula bites them, they become impure. Even though they were pretty much raped. Also, the typically helpless woman in movies that gets saved by a man)
I personally see it as a little silly that women are given crap for being slutty. I am a male and I myself would be considered absolute fat slut by the standard that apply to females
Can any women on the shroomery give me insight on how exactly they believe they should be treated?
I apologize if I come off as an asshole/chauvanist pig. I dont mean to. I am just a little confused as to what exactly is the proper way to treat a woman
I feel it isn't fair to say that be treated as a damsel in distress when its conveient but then get annoyed when women are objectified. it comes off as a little confusing and hypocritical
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19119870 - 11/11/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think you have the proper view of what feminism should be, at least in my mind. Women should have the same rights and opportunities as men, no more and no less. No special treatment. If I'm in a situation where i need to hit someone it doesn't matter if its a man or a women, if it gets to that point i'm defending myself and have no other option.
Its also worth pointing out that yes, there are biological 'gender roles' mens and women's brains are physically built differently with different levels of chemicals. Thats not to say that men or women should be forced into these roles if they choose otherwise. But to simply assert these differences do not exist like a lot of hardcore feminists do is simply silly.
I once had a feminist tell me that its impossible for a women to be sexist, or for a minority to be racist.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught] 1
#19119879 - 11/11/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's pretty simple.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught] 1
#19119889 - 11/11/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're not a sexist, the fact that you recognize not everybody fits traditional gender roles says you are not.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
#19119906 - 11/11/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: It's pretty simple.

I mean I am all for equal oppurtunites
But some drunk girl at a party socked my friend in the face. As a kneejerk drunk response, he socked her in the face. Everyone gets pissed at him and starts hitting him and kicks him out of the party I have also seen a guy get socked in the face/nuts by his ex-gf and his ex-gf's best friend. He was about to hit back but everyone started screaming at him. I just had to watch his ass get beat and couldn't do anything about it
It simple isnt fair
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psyconaught said: i think you have the proper view of what feminism should be, at least in my mind. Women should have the same rights and opportunities as men, no more and no less. No special treatment. If I'm in a situation where i need to hit someone it doesn't matter if its a man or a women, if it gets to that point i'm defending myself and have no other option.
Its also worth pointing out that yes, there are biological 'gender roles' mens and women's brains are physically built differently with different levels of chemicals. Thats not to say that men or women should be forced into these roles if they choose otherwise. But to simply assert these differences do not exist like a lot of hardcore feminists do is simply silly.
I once had a feminist tell me that its impossible for a women to be sexist, or for a minority to be racist.
so feminism is the acceptane that men and women are different, yet should have the choice to take up either role?
What is feminist's response to getting hit? What would be a textbook response of a feminist?
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: You're not a sexist, the fact that you recognize not everybody fits traditional gender roles says you are not.
good to get a response from a girl 
What would be the proper response if a drunk girl hit me in the face? I feel if I were drunk I would hit back. And I think its my right to be able to hit back
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19119923 - 11/11/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have no idea as i am not a women or a feminist i would think that if she was actually a feminist she would have to evaluate the situation leading to that point. This video is hilarious and describes it well i think haha
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
#19119945 - 11/11/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: i have no idea as i am not a women or a feminist i would think that if she was actually a feminist she would have to evaluate the situation leading to that point. This video is hilarious and describes it well i think haha
I am halfway through the video. I agree 100%. I will finsih the video now. But the general takeway is exactly what I agree with
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19120010 - 11/11/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: What would be the proper response if a drunk girl hit me in the face? I feel if I were drunk I would hit back. And I think its my right to be able to hit back
I think it's fine, as long as you give the appropriate response. Recognize that if she is much smaller and more frail than you, she is going to get injured much more easily than you. Hit with equal or lesser force than the force that she hit you with. A lot of guys say "she hit me first" as an excuse to wail on a girl, and she is usually the one who ends up in the hospital for broken bones. Don't be this guy.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19120031 - 11/11/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Is it sexist to say that I can ethically hit a woman? (this would be putting them on an equal level. But everyone would call me sexist if I say this)
No, it is stupid. Violence is unethical and has nothing to do with gender.
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pwnasaurus said: But some drunk girl at a party socked my friend in the face. As a kneejerk drunk response, he socked her in the face. Everyone gets pissed at him and starts hitting him and kicks him out of the party
I'm willing to bet that she was smaller than him. When people bring up the idea that if men and women are equal, a man should be allowed to hit a woman, they forget that women are biologically smaller than men and less able to defend themselves. The problem does not lie in hitting a woman but in hitting somebody who is physically smaller than you.
Why did drunk girl hit your friend in the face?
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topdog82 said:\ What would be the proper response if a drunk girl hit me in the face? I feel if I were drunk I would hit back. And I think its my right to be able to hit back
The proper response would be to do nothing. You would only hit back if you were drunk too? Why wouldn't you hit back when you are sober? Because it is WRONG.
It digusts me that this thread about "understanding sexism" is a discussion about why it is ethical and not sexist to hit a girl.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: empty space]
#19120044 - 11/11/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can't shoe horn every possible situation into right or wrong. If some drunk girl (or sober girl for that matter) is waving a knife or broken bottle at me you bet your ass i'm gonna sock her in the face as hard as i can.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
#19120052 - 11/11/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: you can't shoe horn every possible situation into right or wrong. If some drunk girl (or sober girl for that matter) is waving a knife or broken bottle at me you bet your ass i'm gonna sock her in the face as hard as i can.
For sure. It depends on the situation entirely. If a bodybuilder girl takes a swing at me and I feel that I am in honest to goodness danger I will probably hit her back. If a small girl hits me and I barely feel it I will probably restrain her until she calms down.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
#19120053 - 11/11/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: If some drunk girl (or sober girl for that matter) is waving a knife or broken bottle at me you bet your ass i'm gonna sock her in the face as hard as i can.
If some drunk person were waving a knife or broken bottle at me, I would do what I could to resolve the situation without violence (which realistically may not be much) and if that could not be achieved, yes I would hit them. Once again, this has nothing to do with a woman and everything to do with SOMEBODY WAVING A KNIFE IN YOUR FACE.
When asked what he would do if a knife were pulled on him, my sensei responded, "I would run." To think that you would/should do any differently is ridiculous. You aren't a secret agent or a super hero and trying to hit somebody who is trying to stab you with a knife will likely get you maimed or killed.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: empty space]
#19120068 - 11/11/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: If some drunk girl (or sober girl for that matter) is waving a knife or broken bottle at me you bet your ass i'm gonna sock her in the face as hard as i can.
If some drunk person were waving a knife or broken bottle at me, I would do what I could to resolve the situation without violence (which realistically may not be much) and if that could not be achieved, yes I would hit them. Once again, this has nothing to do with a woman and everything to do with SOMEBODY WAVING A KNIFE IN YOUR FACE.
Thats my point. i don't care if the aggressor is a male or female. I will handle the situation accordingly
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Crystal G]
#19120142 - 11/11/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: What would be the proper response if a drunk girl hit me in the face? I feel if I were drunk I would hit back. And I think its my right to be able to hit back
I think it's fine, as long as you give the appropriate response. Recognize that if she is much smaller and more frail than you, she is going to get injured much more easily than you. Hit with equal or lesser force than the force that she hit you with. A lot of guys say "she hit me first" as an excuse to wail on a girl, and she is usually the one who ends up in the hospital for broken bones. Don't be this guy.
Thanks lol. That ansers most of my question
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: empty space]
#19120154 - 11/11/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Is it sexist to say that I can ethically hit a woman? (this would be putting them on an equal level. But everyone would call me sexist if I say this)
No, it is stupid. Violence is unethical and has nothing to do with gender.
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pwnasaurus said: But some drunk girl at a party socked my friend in the face. As a kneejerk drunk response, he socked her in the face. Everyone gets pissed at him and starts hitting him and kicks him out of the party
I'm willing to bet that she was smaller than him. When people bring up the idea that if men and women are equal, a man should be allowed to hit a woman, they forget that women are biologically smaller than men and less able to defend themselves. The problem does not lie in hitting a woman but in hitting somebody who is physically smaller than you.
Why did drunk girl hit your friend in the face?
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topdog82 said:\ What would be the proper response if a drunk girl hit me in the face? I feel if I were drunk I would hit back. And I think its my right to be able to hit back
The proper response would be to do nothing. You would only hit back if you were drunk too? Why wouldn't you hit back when you are sober? Because it is WRONG.
It digusts me that this thread about "understanding sexism" is a discussion about why it is ethical and not sexist to hit a girl.
So what if I hypothetically walked up to you and started hitting you? Would you just stand there and take it? I am a male, vegatarian, and having arms like wet noodles
That being said, I try and treatothers with respect so it would never come to that. But if someone hits me, talking it out and good vibes are not an option
and that woman hit my buddy because he was her ex's friend. Her ex was kind of a dick tbh. But my buddy was inviting her ex to the kickback
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: If some drunk girl (or sober girl for that matter) is waving a knife or broken bottle at me you bet your ass i'm gonna sock her in the face as hard as i can.
If some drunk person were waving a knife or broken bottle at me, I would do what I could to resolve the situation without violence (which realistically may not be much) and if that could not be achieved, yes I would hit them. Once again, this has nothing to do with a woman and everything to do with SOMEBODY WAVING A KNIFE IN YOUR FACE.
Thats my point. i don't care if the aggressor is a male or female. I will handle the situation accordingly
agreed
I am just saying this because in both situation where the male could not hit back, the girl was definately stronger than him
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19120497 - 11/11/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The girl is almost never physically stronger. There are few females whom I could not restrain without hitting.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19120512 - 11/11/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: So what if I hypothetically walked up to you and started hitting you? Would you just stand there and take it? I am a male, vegatarian, and having arms like wet noodles
I'm a trained martial artist so I would subdue you without injuring you. If I weren't, I would walk away.
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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
#19121923 - 11/11/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It digusts me that this thread about "understanding sexism" is a discussion about why it is ethical and not sexist to hit a girl.
That's what I don't understand either. Is how come every time there's a discussion about sexism it turns into whether or not men have a RIGHT to hit a girl. Never mind the fact that feminism is not supposed to be about the right to hit anybody.
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topdog82 said: So what if I hypothetically walked up to you and started hitting you? Would you just stand there and take it? I am a male, vegatarian, and having arms like wet noodles
That being said, I try and treatothers with respect so it would never come to that. But if someone hits me, talking it out and good vibes are not an option
and that woman hit my buddy because he was her ex's friend. Her ex was kind of a dick tbh. But my buddy was inviting her ex to the kickback
Okay, from a legal perspective, you are better off not hitting her back, even very lightly. Why? If the cops get called, everybody will blame you, and you are the one who will go to jail. Plus, you will get looked down upon as a disgusting man shunned by society.
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