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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
    #19108593 - 11/09/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



I hate plastic.

Its the Devil!


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19109509 - 11/09/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever been cut out in nature by plastic?

How about with glass? I sure have. My foot, at a campsite. It was a horrible event.

Such large wastes of Unrecycled single-use plastic is indeed a bane to nature, but there's a reason we socially switched from glass to plastics.  So one problem replaced another, that means there's still a problem to solve, there was in the first place.

These containers can be recycled, and frankly you're unlikely to quit using them as such anyway. Who would toss out their myco tools into a lake?


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
    #19109545 - 11/09/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19109592 - 11/09/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
    #19110165 - 11/09/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.




Which I followed to the T and are performing at an
alarming slow rate.

:shrug:


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19110172 - 11/09/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

a big roll of duct tape works the best in my experiences, stiff enough to break up what's inside of a jar but has enough give to where it's not going to hurt the glass


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19110186 - 11/09/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Which I followed to the T and are performing at an
alarming slow rate.



Not trying to plug V-tek but in fairness the speed of colonization has very little/nothing to do with the container the spawn is in. Genetics and temperature are the primary factors in colonization speed. I have used PP5 for grains on a few occasions and had both fast and slow growth with MS :shrug:

Personally I have a bad habit of breaking up jars in the palm of my hand. Might start wearing kevlar gloves when I do this, just in case one shatters.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19110272 - 11/09/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pasty is exactly right
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Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.



Which I followed to the T and are performing at an alarming slow rate.



If it's not performing quickly, you either have (*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains (*) contamination (*) unrealistic expectations  (*) or multispore inoculation.  Those would all be your doing, even the MS inoc which you could have avoided by not attempting to grow-out MS cultures.
Your noob side is showing if you think it has to do with containers or a certain grow tek, and your hypocrisy side is showing now that you've admitted to buying and using "The Devil".  Without knowing a Thing about you, I can ramble off a multitude of plastic products that you buy and use all the time.

"Plastic makes it possible."  Sure the photo in your post is tragic. However it's PEOPLE's faults, not plastic's.


Remember, straight-grains can possibly take more time to pin heavily than bulk substrates. If you judge by that alone, you'll think grains perform slowly. But that judging would involve forgetting the skipped major step of "spawning" and recolonizing bulk substrates.  In the end, they Tie, unless you mess one or the other up somehow... which you seem to have.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
    #19110724 - 11/09/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ONCE i get a LFH I will be doing agar G2G

Maybe from petri dish to bag or maybe ill do petri to jar to bag

But in the long run Im tired of getting cut , dealing with rusty lids , Cleaning contamed jars etc

I personally love bags Im sure I am biased due to this





You can easily get away with using a SAB for G2G. Plenty of TC's do it that way with success.

Jars have their pros and cons so it really seems like preference. I'm thinking about trying out bags soon too.

Nice avatar btw, I've got the same pic as my computer background :thumbup:


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Novanity1]
    #19110960 - 11/09/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah don't buy the cheap chinese jars, they have obvious seams where they merge the two halves. Only buy USA jars (Kerr,Ball) they are blow molded like they should . Bags are good n all but they don't double as drinkin glasses!:eek:


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Novanity1]
    #19112877 - 11/10/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Novanity1 said:
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ONCE i get a LFH I will be doing agar G2G

Maybe from petri dish to bag or maybe ill do petri to jar to bag

But in the long run Im tired of getting cut , dealing with rusty lids , Cleaning contamed jars etc

I personally love bags Im sure I am biased due to this





You can easily get away with using a SAB for G2G. Plenty of TC's do it that way with success.

Jars have their pros and cons so it really seems like preference. I'm thinking about trying out bags soon too.

Nice avatar btw, I've got the same pic as my computer background :thumbup:




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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
    #19112891 - 11/10/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You just need practice. Many things can be done in a SAB. If your having issues with G2G in your SAB try using pints as your masters, IME they are a lot easier especially if your having issues with the height of the SAB. A little practice will go a long way.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
    #19112916 - 11/10/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:scumbagman:
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Violet said:
Pasty is exactly right
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JMcDoogle said:
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Violet said:
Interesting coming from someone who's doing the container tek also.



Which I followed to the T and are performing at an alarming slow rate.



If it's not performing quickly, you either have (*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains (*) contamination (*) unrealistic expectations  (*) or multispore inoculation.  Those would all be your doing, even the MS inoc which you could have avoided by not attempting to grow-out MS cultures.
Your noob side is showing if you think it has to do with containers or a certain grow tek, and your hypocrisy side is showing now that you've admitted to buying and using "The Devil".  Without knowing a Thing about you, I can ramble off a multitude of plastic products that you buy and use all the time.

"Plastic makes it possible."  Sure the photo in your post is tragic. However it's PEOPLE's faults, not plastic's.


Remember, straight-grains can possibly take more time to pin heavily than bulk substrates. If you judge by that alone, you'll think grains perform slowly. But that judging would involve forgetting the skipped major step of "spawning" and recolonizing bulk substrates.  In the end, they Tie, unless you mess one or the other up somehow... which you seem to have.




Come off it. You're defensive for no reason. Your whole strain-grain vs bulk is an ineffective argument seeing as I havent began to spawn yet, please do a little more research.

I am a noob, silly. Though what I lack in knowledge you make up
for with your ignorance.

(*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains  xx I followed your tek.
(*) contamination  xx Nope
(*) unrealistic expectations  xx I expected them to perform atleast a third as quick as my quart jars, which I inoculated a day later, and are twice if not more the amount of grains, which have already colonized fully, and been grain to grained fully, in the period 30% colonization has been achieved in the pp5 Containers.
(*) or multispore inoculation. I used the same exact MS inoculation for the PP5 and the 1QT Jars.

It has nothing to do with unrealist expectations, I simply applied the information and procedures in your thread. You are acting like a butt-hurt crybaby, because I "dissed your pretty plastics." Then began to attack me personally with such vague declarations of my personal lifestyle choices regarding plastics. Grow up. You know nothing about me.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Kalypto]
    #19113379 - 11/10/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I was told phone books were great for breaking up jars

LIES
EITHER my jars suck or this is a lie
I have broken 3 jars this way and just sliced the fuck out of my hand
and im a small 110lb guy im not exactly slamming these hard

SO SO done with jars

BAG ALL THE WAY




I think I've broken a maximum of 3 jars in the last 40 years while shaking.  It isn't the phonebook or jars fault, unless you're using pickle jars instead of mason.  I suggest a thicker phone book or don't set a thin one on concrete.

A fully inflated bike tire is best.

If you're going to go with bags, you better get mycelia if you don't want a high failure rate from defective filters.

You'll be taken much more seriously if you can start a thread without 'fuck' in the thread title. :wink:
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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19113772 - 11/10/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think you're taking me the wrong way. In fact, I'm sure of it.

Just read your posts here. You hated on plastic, blaming them for human wrongdoing, then you admit to buying plastics, then you blame colonization times on a container or tek... I simply pointed out that these things are your faults, and you're still here denying it.

You admit that you are newb, but don't admit the possibility that a tek's very developer may realize why you're not doing so well.
So I think it's YOU that needs to "come off it."  I'm not being defensive, you are.  And once again, I'll focus on the facts, to show it.

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(*) incompletely/unthoroughly-prepared grains  xx I followed your tek.



That really doesn't necessarily mean you fully prepared them. Lots of people come to me with questions who "followed my tek" but didn't truly.  Part of me is guessing you did the boiling-water-pour method, and either/both didn't have that water boiling super hard as I emphasize is necessary, or didn't give them the full soak time necessary to get them softened up adequately.

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(*) contamination  xx Nope



Don't be overly sure.  The kind of bacterial contamination that happens commonly from incomplete sterilization, for instance, NEVER shows visually except the occasional stall, but if they're inoculated right-away the mycelium will colonize the surface of the grains while bacteria takes hold of the inside.  The only signs of this contamination are (1) smells sour after some time, despite being fully colonized (2) stall, or similarly (3) slow colonization, which is indeed what you're experiencing.

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(*) unrealistic expectations  xx I expected them to perform atleast a third as quick as my quart jars, which I inoculated a day later, and are twice if not more the amount of grains, which have already colonized fully, and been grain to grained fully, in the period 30% colonization has been achieved in the pp5 Containers.



See above points.
If you prepared ALL of your grains properly, sterilized fully, and inoculated clean, there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that growth would occur faster in a glass jar than a plastic container.
That's what I meant by you showing your newb side.  You've effectively shown that you didn't do something right but don't realize or admit it.

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(*) or multispore inoculation. I used the same exact MS inoculation for the PP5 and the 1QT Jars.



Oh, of course you did.  ... But it's multi-spore.
Not to say that's why you're experiencing what you are.  I bet it's the reasons above.

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You are acting like a butt-hurt crybaby, because I "dissed your pretty plastics."



Hahahah, whatever, I don't get personally offended when people show ignorance about plastics or blame plastics for plastic wasted by humans. I simply correct the misperception/misinformation, just like anyone on these boards.
They're not "my" plastics, I'm just one of many who uses them.
any further spin on that?

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Then began to attack me personally with such vague declarations of my personal lifestyle choices regarding plastics. Grow up. You know nothing about me.



I know about you what you've posted for the Shroomery to see, and that's all. More than enough to say what I have. If you don't like it, turn your attention to your inner self, and ask "why am I bothered."  You'll have a much easier & happy time interacting with people, without thinking they're "attacking" you "personally." In this regard it is You that needs to "grow up."  Nothing personal, you seem like a nice guy, but apparently your niceness has a very short threshold.


If you fail at a tek, don't come to the tek's proponents saying it doesn't work, especially if you're a newb. You'll just embarrass yourself.
Instead of making this a show of beefed-up egos as you'd have it, I pointed out the likely reasons you failed, just like I would tell someone who came to me politely asking for help.  You can get in an internet fight, take the advice, or at least ignore it.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19113833 - 11/10/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Kalypto said:
I was told phone books were great for breaking up jars

LIES
EITHER my jars suck or this is a lie
I have broken 3 jars this way and just sliced the fuck out of my hand
and im a small 110lb guy im not exactly slamming these hard

SO SO done with jars

BAG ALL THE WAY




I think I've broken a maximum of 3 jars in the last 40 years while shaking.  It isn't the phonebook or jars fault, unless you're using pickle jars instead of mason.  I suggest a thicker phone book or don't set a thin one on concrete.

A fully inflated bike tire is best.

If you're going to go with bags, you better get mycelia if you don't want a high failure rate from defective filters.

You'll be taken much more seriously if you can start a thread without 'fuck' in the thread title. :wink:
RR





I've been using mad season should I switch I'm about to buy some more bags

And no doubt I was jut frustrated from being cut up ,
I was using about five inches of phone books


And I don't know which jars I use
But I use Kerr a they feel really thick which why I'm so supposed when I'm barely hiring them and they shatter

No doubt practice will help but I think it's mainly my grow environment since I haven't been able to dedicate a space to it


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
    #19117329 - 11/10/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry for the thread being de-railed OP.


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Violet said:
Blah blah blah, Blah Blah.
I know everything...
Blah Blah.




You contradict yourself many times. You've made more
assumptions of my ability to follow simple directions.

Again you're the one to make an assumption on my
views of plastic over a simple photo I posted as a joke.

You've got your opinions, I've got mine.

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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19119699 - 11/11/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh now you're just being an ass, patronizing and name-calling.

You admit to using plastics after saying you hate them and that they are "the devil." Play it off as a joke if you like.
And now you say that I contradict myself? Laughable!  I notice you pointed out no such "many" contradictions :rolleyes:

You certainly did blame the grow tek for slow growth hence, a folly that was pointed out to you immediately by pastywhyte... For all your hubris, where is your humility? Another egotistical newb, so sure of himself.

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You've got your opinions, I've got mine.



It's silly and petty to say such on matters that don't concern opinions at all.
This is a matter of ACTUALITIES and FACTS.
Where exactly do opinions come into play?


It's this simple:
Do you, or do you not, admit that you messed up your grains/containers somehow?

If you DO admit it, then what the hell is all this about?
If you DON'T admit it, then how could you possibly justify that?

If you really did "follow the tek to a T" then why aren't you getting its iconic results?  Occam's Razor (plus actual myco knowledge/experience, which pastywhyte and I have and you admittedly don't) tells us that it's much more likely that a self-proclaimed newb messed up somehow. 
I and many others have reported fast or faster colonization than ever with that grow tek. Regardless of G2G or agar inoc, with thorough spread mine almost always reach full colonization in 4-9 days, and I've got many pictures that prove it. Not to mention I have seen it every week for a year.

This photo was posted 4/11. With an inoc date of 4/8, that means they were colonized by 4 days.

Explain to me how you justify your clear inference that it's not your fault your containers are going so slowly. You'll have a tough time convincing the tek's very developer.
Seriously.  Your cocky attitude hinges on it.
You have quite a catch-22 here. We know the myco truths (not opinions) of operator error that can cause slow grain colonizing... Admit that truth of operator error, and your posts here are seen as the internet-tough-guy bullshit they really are. Don't admit it, and you're seen for the responsibility-shifting blamer you currently appear to be.
If I were you, I'd just not respond, and let this just go away.


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: Violet]
    #19119756 - 11/11/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

use PP5 , and " no shake" methods............


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Re: Fucking Jars Fuck breaking them up on books [Re: anne halonium]
    #19119778 - 11/11/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Right!
I'll also point out that if you use code-5 plastics for methods that involve shakes-and-breaks, it's much easier faster & safer to do since the plastic 'gives' some, doesn't hurt your hands, and won't break (unless you get shitty thin containers)


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