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loggrower
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A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain.
#19118908 - 11/11/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am looking for a good King Oyster strain for natural buried log cultivation. Anyone know of any strains from Aloha, Field&Forest, or anyone else you would recommend? Going to test disk/totem inoculation. Logs will be buried once spawn run is mostly completed.
Aloha has a ton of King strains... *Confused*
Oh, and btw... I am only buying from spawn suppliers with expandable grain spawn.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: loggrower]
#19119086 - 11/11/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I was at Aloha, John recommended Pleurotus eryngii-KO2 as one of their best strains.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: OICU812]
#19119516 - 11/11/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OICU812 said: When I was at Aloha, John recommended Pleurotus eryngii-KO2 as one of their best strains.
Interesting, I asked them to give me what they thought was their best king strain and they sold me KO1. I do really like it though. There are two main types of kings oysters, one is straight stem or drumstick, and the other is curved or wavy stems (which also tends to have larger caps). The ko1 is a curved stem strain; it makes its harder to fit them nicely in bulk boxes, but I feel they are more prolific (and have slightly better texture when eating) then the straight stem strains I've tried.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Aleon]
#19119744 - 11/11/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got an email back from Aloha. They recommend KO1 or 1030 currently.
Anyone have any experience with growing 1030?
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drake89
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: loggrower]
#19119865 - 11/11/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've heard they are hard to grow on logs, but have no experience otherwise.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: loggrower]
#19120230 - 11/11/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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loggrower said: I got an email back from Aloha. They recommend KO1 or 1030 currently.
Anyone have any experience with growing 1030?
Yes i have 1030 also (it is a drumstick variety); i have to admit i havent had the best experiences with it. I did 2 blocks first using X's in the side method and got beautiful 1.25lb clusters on each. So i made 36 blocks the exact same way and they wont fruit! They have been sitting in my FC for 5 weeks and not one pin. Also i cannot get it to top-fruit; i have 10 bags of 1030 im trying to top fruit that have been in the FC for 6+ weeks and not one pin!!! Im kind of upset with this strain; at the onset it looked so good; now its an utter failure. Expecting to get 50+lbs from 36 blocks and then getting 0lbs from 36 blocks will mess up your production cycle pretty bad. Im trying to upload some pics now; ill post em soon.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Aleon]
#19123663 - 11/11/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmm... I am just planning a small King Oyster test run that is going to be 1/5th the number of Pearl Oyster totems I am putting in this winter. If I get good results with colonized then buried totem wafers... I will scale it up!
Pearls are on Red Alder and Poplar, and Kings will be on Red Alder only.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: loggrower]
#19124978 - 11/12/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seriously with any oyster most can be cloned from store bought with good results. Eryngii is a clone and it performs fine - no way id spend that kind of coin on an isolate of any mushroom in the oyster family - they are all so vigorous and easy to work with hence their popularity.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19125212 - 11/12/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: Seriously with any oyster most can be cloned from store bought with good results. Eryngii is a clone and it performs fine - no way id spend that kind of coin on an isolate of any mushroom in the oyster family - they are all so vigorous and easy to work with hence their popularity.
This is not very good advice.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Aleon]
#19128619 - 11/12/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aleon, Any reason your growing out of the top? I hate to see you losing all those blocks, just curious because I was looking to order from Aloha a good king oyster (actually shopping just hours ago). Good to know u have the culture they recommend.
There is a mushroom grower on YouTube, I bet dollars to doughnuts that mofo is around here somewhere. It's a great series to watch IMO. He grows oysters off straw logs supplemented with alfalfa and they seem to work great.
It is a little discouraging to hear about your logs but I'm sure if they fruited right nice they will fruit well again.
As for taking a clone from a store bought sample, I would say that is terrible advice and just a little research on this board will tell you why. P value or whatever rating system would give that an F. I gotta plug sporeworks though, my Phoenix oysters have been aggressive. I haven't tried aloha yet but I hope they fruit me something or I'll be ticked!
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: kushrooms]
#19128694 - 11/12/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushrooms said: I bet dollars to doughnuts that mofo is around here somewhere. It's a great series to watch IMO. He grows oysters off straw logs supplemented with alfalfa and they seem to work great.
Yes, his handle is buckeye oysters. I tried doing alfalfa logs per his suggestion and they contaminate easily due to the high amount of nitrogen in the sub. There was some success had with the alfalfa logs but the contamination rates were too high to keep trying when other methods worked better for me.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: pseudotsuga]
#19128735 - 11/12/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback, I was planning to supplement with alfalfa but I'll be more cautious. What do you supplement you king oysters with? Not to thread jack
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: kushrooms]
#19134854 - 11/14/13 05:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have either of you guys grown out an actual clone of P. Eryngii? I have successfully. It performed quite well. I also have an Aloha king oyster strain here although I haven't fruited it. Mycelial characteristics and pinning on agar are virtually identical.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19134877 - 11/14/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or do you guys suggest that one clone away from the original strain could result in significant degradation? I've often read the same but at least with every Pleurotus species I've worked with I've been able to start and maintain quite decent isolates from clones.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19134888 - 11/14/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd personally wager that more senescense happens within strain library isolates because all genetic variability and phenotypical vigour is isolated out of them.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19135602 - 11/14/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do well with cloned wild oysters, but when I tried to clone a grocery-store King all I got was blobs. So I suspect commercial cultures are expanded as far as they can go before fruiting, and after that they'll senesce quickly.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: thiotimoline]
#19136405 - 11/14/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've heard that before but why would professional growers be using an isolate that is one expansion away from senescent disaster? The two commercial growers I know both use commercial isolates as genetically close to the original as possible - one now using an isolate from a wild clone that has fairly stable phenotypical variants.
its possible with the king oyster that I got lucky but I've grown all other oysters other than the elm and phoenix successfully and well from both store bought and wild isolates and the general vigour and ease of these mushrooms tends to lend itself to that.
I'll try the Aloha king this fall either way.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19136547 - 11/14/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: Have either of you guys grown out an actual clone of P. Eryngii? I have successfully...
I have been using grocery store (well, farmer's market) clones for grey oyster, king oyster and three strains of shiitake for three years with no noticeable drop off in viability. I regenerated my grey oyster strain from spores a year ago, as protection against senescence. Since then I have run the original strain and the regenerated strain side by side with identical results.
Someday, I suspect, the original strain will drop behind and then I will know a bit more about how long you can run a cloned strain without drop-off. It seems to me that, except for commercial growers, grocery store clones are a viable way to develop a strain collection.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: mycoloco]
#19136666 - 11/14/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mycoloco said:
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bluemeanie said: Have either of you guys grown out an actual clone of P. Eryngii? I have successfully...
I have been using grocery store (well, farmer's market) clones for grey oyster, king oyster and three strains of shiitake for three years with no noticeable drop off in viability. I regenerated my grey oyster strain from spores a year ago, as protection against senescence. Since then I have run the original strain and the regenerated strain side by side with identical results.
Someday, I suspect, the original strain will drop behind and then I will know a bit more about how long you can run a cloned strain without drop-off. It seems to me that, except for commercial growers, grocery store clones are a viable way to develop a strain collection.
I suspect that many have had similar results when they have actually tried it rather than assuming the views of a book are accurate ignoring the fact that the author and his associate are the two biggest venders of commercial strains on the US or am I just being to cynical.
Mycena - who used to post here regularly - told me last night he has great results from all oyster species he has tried including kings from clones.
my friend who works in the lab of a commercial Agaricus brunnescens lab also was telling me how numerous 'commercial' isolates of that species are so expanded that they are often degrading within five minutes and they now use their own isolates from an original wild source!
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19137692 - 11/14/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The idea is that they keep a young fresh vigorous strain in reserve, probably in cold storage. Each new expansion starts from that and goes as far as will reliably produce a good yield. It's not that they'd be using an original isolate that's one step from senescence. But I haven't spoken to the growers myself and it's possible they don't actually do this; it just makes sense to me that they would.
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