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Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right...
    #19115481 - 11/10/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So, I was thinking, I read people made 'wine' out of the morning glory flowers. Obviously it isn't very psychedelic, as the flowers themselves don't really have much in the line of LSA...

But, this got me thinking. I like natural ways of using natural medicines, and solvents aren't really my thing. But, sadly, the majority of minimal side-effect reports of Morning Glory is some form of extraction. Some use plain cold water. I can't imagine this taking everything I want, unless I steep the stuff for ages. Also, apparently, according to Erowid, the nauseating compounds on the outside of the seeds are also water soluble, this is true even for untreated seeds.


So, I was thinking, how about taking a large amount of whole seeds, and first giving them a good wash with water to remove the apparent oily non-desirables. Then, powder the seeds, and add it to wine. Lets say a good 700-1000 seeds per bottle. Let this wine sit, shaking it every once in a while. Now, age the wine. It would actually be awesome to be able to add it at the barrel stage...


Heck, LSA is legal (in all forms) in South Africa, and the place is wine country. I may just have something on my hands here... But the way people in the Western Cape drink wine, I'd probably have to limit it too 500 seeds per bottle, MAX.

Now, my questions are, how would this affect the taste? I know it will work, because if LSA can be extracted by CWE, and if it is also alcohol soluble, then having it sit for a year in wine is a sure fire way to get all the goodies out... But what can I expect in the lines of taste? (Forget about the other side effects, anybody who can handle lots of box wine will be able to handle that. I've seen my uncle finish a 5lt box, with no more than 1lt being used by the rest. And that was low quality wine.)

Wine in and of itself is already way more mind-opening than any other form of alcohol, and there must be something to red grapes... It's different, even though I thought that must be bullshit. It just is.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: The Centre]
    #19115547 - 11/10/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The taste? Let's just say you wouldn't drink it for pleasure. The ground seeds have an earthy kinda bitter taste. Plus in order to filter out the seeds some of the wine sediment would be taken out too, further harming the quality of wine.

I would say, do an everclear (grain alcohol, not sure if you get that in SA) extraction, and then when almost all the everclear is evaporated, add what's left to your wine.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... (moved) [Re: The Centre]
    #19116868 - 11/10/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.

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Not really on topic for the ethno garden. That forum is more focused on cultivation and propagation of plants.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: The Centre]
    #19117144 - 11/10/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Some use plain cold water. I can't imagine this taking everything I want, unless I steep the stuff for ages.




Maybe you shouldn't be so presumptuous.


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So, I was thinking, how about taking a large amount of whole seeds, and first giving them a good wash with water to remove the apparent oily non-desirables. Then, powder the seeds, and add it to wine. Lets say a good 700-1000 seeds per bottle. Let this wine sit, shaking it every once in a while. Now, age the wine. It would actually be awesome to be able to add it at the barrel stage...




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then having it sit for a year in wine is a sure fire way to get all the goodies out...




Man, you really don't know what you're talking about.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: s240779]
    #19118089 - 11/10/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What one should do to get the most LSA and the least amount of crap would be to dry the seeds and powder them finely. Extract this with butane to remove the oils. Then soak the seed mash in alcohol in the fridge. Check with a black-light for a few seconds every day until it looks like the solution is as florescent as it gets, then decant the alcohol. This is your LSA. This also works with HWBR as well.

The flowers don't have much LSA at all and would be a waste.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: s240779]
    #19118692 - 11/11/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Some use plain cold water. I can't imagine this taking everything I want, unless I steep the stuff for ages.




Maybe you shouldn't be so presumptuous.


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So, I was thinking, how about taking a large amount of whole seeds, and first giving them a good wash with water to remove the apparent oily non-desirables. Then, powder the seeds, and add it to wine. Lets say a good 700-1000 seeds per bottle. Let this wine sit, shaking it every once in a while. Now, age the wine. It would actually be awesome to be able to add it at the barrel stage...




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then having it sit for a year in wine is a sure fire way to get all the goodies out...




Man, you really don't know what you're talking about.




No, I don't. That is why I made a thread. If I knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't be here asking questions, now would I?


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: Eywa_devotee] * 1
    #19118800 - 11/11/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I like the idea, OP. I would definitely want to try some of your magic wine. When I used to take MG seeds, I never had any success with low dosages. I prefer to take 600 seeds at minimum. I don't drink alcohol often, and i almost never get drunk, so my preference would be a higher number of seeds per bottle. Enough to get a good trip off of 2-3 glasses.

To your question, the seeds taste like you will want to vomit after you taste them just to get the nasty tasting shit out of your body. That's why I love the purge.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: The Centre]
    #19120062 - 11/11/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Blended up in a blender with water, all the seeds' chemicals move into th water instantly. Ground up dry and then soaked in water, I don't know how long it takes. Not long. I base my statement on the fact that I've done the blender method multiple times using a relatively small quantity of seeds and have always gotten impressive results. The first time I did it, I was particularly impressed because the effects I got were much greater than what I had read about that amount of seeds. By the way, I strained the solids out when I did these preparations.

healing, the reason you feel the need to do so many seeds is because your method of ingestion compromises the absorbability of the seeds. I remember reading that you usually grind the seeds up and mix them into ice cream. Number one, ground up seed bits will at least digest slower than a liquid infusion or an evaporated liquid infusion. Number two, the food product in your stomach should inhibit absorption. That's my guess. It should also be noted that many people experience stomach pains as a result of having seed matter in their stomach.


Recently, I've experimented with evaporating water infusions. I did the blender method and poured all the resulting milky liquid into a food dehydrator and scraped it out and chopped it up. The end product looked like shellac flakes:




And I stuffed it into capsules. You might be wondering about the loss factor of this process and I can't comment because I made this extract from one large batch of seeds, but divided it up into different trips mindlessly. There's amazing benefit in evaporating and encapsulating: you don't have to taste them. They taste horrible. Truly horrible. It's something more people should experiment with.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: s240779]
    #19122227 - 11/11/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's good to know, Da2ra. Thanks for the info.


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Re: Ok, so LSA is alcohol soluble right... [Re: healing]
    #19122408 - 11/11/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your welcome. :thumbup:


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