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noob1303
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No pins on top or fruits
#19117751 - 11/10/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cased rye berries with coir/verm about 2 weeks ago. There is a lot of really white mycelium. They smell nice a shroomey and are moist on top. I give FAE about 3-5 times a day and have 12 hours of 6500k/light.Humidity is between 95%-98% and the temp is between 74-78 I can't seem to get any good fruits on top and 2 of the pans have almost no pins. Some of the mycelium is turning blue also. One pan has a lot of stalls Any suggestions on how to get more pins and fruits.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
#19117789 - 11/10/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Casing might not be what you think it is. A casing is a non-nutritive layer. Coir+verm is not a casing layer it's a bulk substrate, and it's nutritious to the myc.
You probably have some old and outdated info.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: bodhisatta]
#19117808 - 11/10/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
#19117834 - 11/10/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like you're fruiting in a shot gun chamber. 1/4 inch holes two inches apart in a grid pattern on all 6 sides of the tub? 4-6 inches of perlite and it's elevated somehow?
Did you mix your spawn(grain) with coir+verm or did you just put coir+verm on top of the grain? was it pasteurized, it still smells like only mushrooms?
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: bodhisatta]
#19117852 - 11/10/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah i did shotgun style with the perlite. The casings smell like mushrooms. They don't smell like anything else that i can tell. I mixed the spawn with the coir/verm and then put more coir/verm on top. I did pasteurize the coir/verm.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
#19117864 - 11/10/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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noob1303 said: I give FAE about 3-5 times a day
yeah i did shotgun style with the perlite. The casings smell like mushrooms. They don't smell like anything else that i can tell. I mixed the spawn with the coir/verm and then put more coir/verm on top. I did pasteurize the coir/verm.
FAE is a constant thing. You can't give FAE as fae is always going on. A proper SGFC is doing FAE constantly. Fanning it out is just to lower the RH so that the misting you do can evaporate. FAE in reality is happening to be a few exchanges of air per hour in a SGFC.
Everything sounds good. You could try watering it around the edges but I would wait for someone else to weigh in about that since I've never "bottom watered" a sub before.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
#19117889 - 11/10/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see that there are many more pins on the edges of the trays. The humidity is highest there. I'm guessing the mycelium is pinning there preferentially because of the higher humidity. You might consider a plastic covering with some holes punched in to increase humidity on top, then take it off once there are a good number of pins.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: Wingman]
#19117953 - 11/10/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you mist it?
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19117971 - 11/10/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do mist some. From all the research i have done i couldnt get a definitive answer to the necessity of misting in my situation, so i have been hesitant to mist much.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
#19118043 - 11/10/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bluing can be due to too dry of a substrate
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19119465 - 11/11/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So would it be good to indirectly mist more? if so how many times a day? i have also heard that water can blue the substrate if directly applied. I am realizing its so hard to really know what really works without just trial and error.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
#19119478 - 11/11/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It looks like the substrate wasn't fully colonized, and you pulled it too quick into fruiting. Also the mushrooms seem to be only coming out of the dark deep corners full of moisture on the bottom as opposed to the dry top layer.
I donno thats just my opinion though
Edited by Kiya_Star427 (11/11/13 08:58 AM)
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: bodhisatta]
#19119503 - 11/11/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Neither coir nor verm are nutritive, and they are certainly casing materials, not bulk substrates.
Check the 50/50+ casing guide on the forums, you'll see what I mean.
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wow Wydue nice posts man, I'm definitely going to have to rep 5 stars for that, and for the other post that you made on the jar not fully colonizing due to bacteria build up on the bottom corner.
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Quote:
Wydue Wanano said: Neither coir nor verm are nutritive, and they are certainly casing materials, not bulk substrates.
Check the 50/50+ casing guide on the forums, you'll see what I mean.

Incorrect about the coir man. Not only is it nutritive but it's also a very popular bulk sub. Verm i believe has only minerals in it so whole it's not as nutritive as coir it does provide a little. And verm is used in most hpoo and coir bulk sub teks
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: Rubestoad]
#19119563 - 11/11/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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^ I don't know about that, according to this site even peat moss isn't nutritive, although I would never ever use peat moss as casing, thats just asking for trouble.
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: Rubestoad]
#19119583 - 11/11/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whoooooops, I just forum searched and you are correct, coir is nutritive. I swear I saw a TC post from god-knows-when saying it wasn't, my bad.
Also apparently verm can be nutritive, as I just saw where someone inoculated *just* vermiculite and some myc grew.
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^ you know but if you buy a miracle grow perlite even for example i think they even add nutritive to that and thats perlite. So maybe it depends on the brand, but other than that as far as I know, I remember hearing this from RR's lets grow mushrooms. I'm pretty sure he explains it there how coir has no nutritive and neither does peat moss
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Peat moss is used for a casing coir is not
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: Rubestoad]
#19119620 - 11/11/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the whats ideal to top you sub with? peat moss or just plain verm?
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