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Every tripper has HPPD?
    #19114449 - 11/10/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

HPPD obviously varies in severity, and most have it mild, so mild in fact that I've only just this second thought to stare at the carpet to see if I have it, and, well, I definitely have something, and I am a very inexperienced user with a mere 3 trips under my belt.

I'm currently drug free, my last trip was 6 months ago and up until 4 weeks ago I was a daily marijuana user. At the moment my cannabis usage is zero.

When I read text on the shroomery, and then stare at the carpet, I will get shifting lines that linger until I blink. I also have many coloured dots flying around in the light, and a static that covers things. I believe this to be mild and pretty insignificant HPPD that doesn't really interfere with anything.

My query is, as much as we hate to admit it, do we all experience at least mild physical perceptual changes? Is this just what goes with this type of drug usage? Is this simply what one has to accept when one even occasionally decides to drastically alter consciousness with dr00gz?

TLDR; is HPPD in all its varying forms something all trippers experience at some point?


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19114459 - 11/10/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nope. Been tripping on various things for 18+ years and never encountered it. :shrug:


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19114476 - 11/10/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had a lot of HPPD symptoms when tripping often

but havent tripped in a few months, only notice very very mild HPPD symptoms now if I stare at a wall i.e.

else no HPPD symptoms except tracers when just going from light out into the dark

seems they are temporary for most people
when I smoked weed it would get much more intense, so stopped...
they intensify with frequent use/high doses often, doesnt happen if you moderate usage really

or that is just my experience... much less after tripping less frequent
its almost 99% back to normal, hardly anything to notice unless I look for it for a few mins
and used to take lots of LSD in high doses

when I used most LSD everything outside would warp/rotate for a while after, days/months
the pavement .. anything there was much light on
and it was hard watching tv/reading due to it for a while after... letters would look weird, no prob now

but I dont watch tv anyway :wink:

I dont think the hppd symptoms have given me any problems yet
except for few weeks after a very high dose once.. was hard to read there for 1-2 weeks at least
else its very mild, dont notice it
done LSD 150 times or so
I usually always plan trips on fridays/holidays, so my head can get some time to feel right again


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19114483 - 11/10/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OP I have the same thing except maybe a little more but it really doesn't bother me. If I stare at my carpet and just let my eyes relax, the two shades of green will bleed into one shade and real staticky too. Things slowly move in my peripherals but when I get high it potentiates the symptoms. I've only tripped a total of 10 times or so, 6-7 on shrooms and 3 on acid.. but in a 2 month period when I first tried them.


Also very strong Afterimages if looking at light for a few seconds when it's dark outside, then turning away... the shape or design from the car light will linger for as long as I pay attention to it, and it becomes very vivid dancing along when I change directions of focus.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: HostDisorder] * 1
    #19114517 - 11/10/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of what people claim is HPPD, is really just optical illusions.  I remember as a kid staring at those magic eye pictures trying to find the image and seeing similar stuff that others call HPPD.  I think some of it is never noticed until after people try psychedelics.  :2cents:


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19114532 - 11/10/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nope not really. My tracers are debatable. I only have then in areas of extreme contrast but they haven't gotten any better or worse since my first three trips (all of which were extremely weak). So it's hard to say if I had them before tripping. Since then I've tripped around 50 times on various substances anywhere from enough to cause mild patterning to full on visual blindness and have yet to encounter any noticeable degree of HPPD.

But who knows. It's been a few years since I've been drug free so i don't remember what my vision used to look like.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19114585 - 11/10/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My very minor (but annoying) HPPD symptoms were like this (see this old thread). It stopped after I stopped smoking cannabis, which I was doing daily.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19114640 - 11/10/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A lot of what people claim is HPPD, is really just optical illusions.  I remember as a kid staring at those magic eye pictures trying to find the image and seeing similar stuff that others call HPPD.  I think some of it is never noticed until after people try psychedelics.  :2cents:




Definitely possible, ironically, I'm a hypochondriac myself, I wouldn't so anxious about the potential triggering of hppd if it wasnt for the prevalence of it all over the psychdelic community.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19114772 - 11/10/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, different people have different opinions about HPPD.  For the majority of the community,  the after effects of psychedelics don't interfere with daily living.  I can only speak from my experience. Since I can remember, I was always fascinated with visual phenomena, and I don't think my vision is any different now compared to before I had psychedelics. YMMV.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19114805 - 11/10/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My query is, as much as we hate to admit it, do we all experience at least mild physical perceptual changes?





Fuck no.  HPPD is highly overrated as a side effect.  What you probably have noticed is just the result of paying more attention to ordinary persistence of vision effects, something you can learn more about (and experience) with any decent resource that describes these kinds of optical illusions. :thumbup:

BTW I've tripped on shrooms over a thousand times, and often enough for successive days.  If that shit was gonna get me it would have already. :lol:

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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19114976 - 11/10/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, long before I ever had taken any drugs, I had stuff that a whole lot of people would call 'HPPD'. Ha, just look at Indian and Middle Eastern (especially Persian) art. One would swear that Paisly was invented by someone who took too much DMT.

I remember my uncle and I playing starcraft for hours, and when we went outside and looked at the grass, we could see the patterns of the units and buildings in the grass, a whole lot of them moving. The stuff we see in psychedelia is most definitely an inherent part of our brains.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: The Centre]
    #19115040 - 11/10/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude, long before I ever had taken any drugs, I had stuff that a whole lot of people would call 'HPPD'. Ha, just look at Indian and Middle Eastern (especially Persian) art. One would swear that Paisly was invented by someone who took too much DMT.

I remember my uncle and I playing starcraft for hours, and when we went outside and looked at the grass, we could see the patterns of the units and buildings in the grass, a whole lot of them moving. The stuff we see in psychedelia is most definitely an inherent part of our brains.




Valid points, but there do seem to be quite a few genuine reports of people having walls breathe and objects melting way after the trip had subsided to the point where it's a problem. I myself am soon to embark upon my first exp with lsd (apparently renowned to trigger hppd) however, because of all his hppd talk I hear, it's lingering in my mind.

It really fucks you over man, even if this thing was completely fictitious, there's so many reports that before you even go into the trip, you're already expecting to get it.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19115320 - 11/10/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just because there are reports doesn't mean everybody has it, which was your question.  You might want to not obsess about it, especially if you're not experienced. :thumbup:

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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19115357 - 11/10/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've tripped a handful of times this year and smoked weed every now and then.
When I focus on different materials, such as wooden doors or surface like gravel it moves with my breathing... Early signs of HPPD?


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19115411 - 11/10/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hallucinogens have affected my overall perception.

I don't know if it's HPPD but if I'm real buzzed up or tired I hallucinate a lil bit like real week acid. I continue to do psychedellics and it doesn't seem to be get any worse. Sometimes when I'm trippin Ill seem to have more clarity in my vision than when I'm sober idk might just be trippin tho.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19115421 - 11/10/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've never seen the world in the same way since my first LSD trip. HPPD? I dunno. If it is, I like it.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19116890 - 11/10/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've never seen the world in the same way since my first LSD trip. HPPD? I dunno. If it is, I like it.



Same here! Nowdays all the trees look rather trippy, can't remember how they looked before.
But yeah, I like it. It make me appreciate everything a lot more.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: EmL]
    #19116951 - 11/10/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ive never had it very bad, and now its gone away since i trip very rarely


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19117121 - 11/10/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Also very strong Afterimages if looking at light for a few seconds when it's dark outside, then turning away... the shape or design from the car light will linger for as long as I pay attention to it, and it becomes very vivid dancing along when I change directions of focus.




Yeah, this?  This happens to everyone.

It's the same thing when you stare at a bright room or light for a second and then snap your eyes shut, you'll continue to see what you were looking at plastered on your eyelids for a few seconds.


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Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19117221 - 11/10/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have no HPPD despite hundreds and hundeds of LSD/mushroom trips over 25 years. Don't know any people IRL with it either. See alot of young people online who think they do, I think it's alot of hysteria. The numbers of people who say they have it has gone way up, but the number of people taking LSD has gone way down. Where was all this HPPD in the 70's and 80s when LSD was plentiful?


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