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I Can't Stand Marijuana. 4
#19116276 - 11/10/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There. I said it. I have some perspective on marijuana that I wanted to share with this community, to see if anyone either agrees or at least understands where I'm coming from. I'm 22 now, and the only time I smoked marijuana with any real frequency was in junior year of high school. I have gone over a year now without touching it, and before that I can count on my fingers how many times I've inhaled in the previous four years.
For the record, I am very pro-drug, and I believe people should be able to smoke as much mj as they like, but I'm very critical of the reasons why people choose to do so. I'm actually in a bit of a different position, however, from most of the users on this forum, in that I don't advocate habitual recreational drug use. I have a lot of conviction in my belief that there is no decent reason to smoke or vaporize or otherwise inhale any chemicals, so that immediately turns me off of marijuana, but also that there is no decent reason to smoke mj on a regular basis. I figured out rather quickly that marijuana was something that I should eliminate from my life, and so I pretty much did, and once in a while I've tried to give it a go again, but to no avail.
See, whenever I have smoked marijuana in the past few years, I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?" and it is a question to which I have no answer. Because the problem with marijuana is that it accomplishes nothing. There is nothing to gain. There is no upside. I accept that people have a preference for it, sure, but I don't understand it. My first foray into other psychedelics was DMT, followed by shrooms, and both of those experiences cemented in my mind why I really dislike weed: because it sucks. Let me explain: if you look at the use of marijuana in western culture, it's an absolute joke. I have a friend, an artist, who religiously smokes marijuana. He feels like he's reaping the benefits of marijuana, using it to help his creativity, to ease his muscle tension, to lubricate social interactions, and whatever else. But he's not reaping the benefits, because marijuana isn't enhancing anything: it's compensating for his inadequacies. It's a crutch, and as someone who keeps his distance from it, I can see it for what it is. Truthfully, I hate hanging out with him. But what's even more interesting is that I introduced him to shrooms, which I use seasonally at best, and he has a very limited interest in it. This is significant, because mushrooms can fill you with euphoria, and bestow you with some sort of connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world in a way that marijuana cannot even remotely achieve. Bust most of all, mushrooms make you aware of your own identity and help you confront your own inadequacies, and I can only speculate why he wouldn't like that, but I think I have the right idea.
Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother. Like people who have to smoke before they go out, who smoke before they go to class, who smoke before they work out, who smoke when they're having a conversation, who smoke and play video games, who smoke in their car, who smoke in the evening after work. It's indiscriminately smoking for no apparent reason, because it doesn't make those things better--it just makes you high when you do them. That's it. A well-adjusted person can just do those things when they're sober. There's a time and place to use marijuana, but 99% of the time there's just no fucking point. Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else. And even if you limit its use to special occasions, marijuana falls short of entheogens such as san pedro cactus, mushrooms, MDMA, LSD, or DMT in almost every conceivable way. Honestly, I don't mean to offend anyone, but that probably can't be helped.
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I'm sorry that you don't like marijuana
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Can-i-bus] 1
#19116312 - 11/10/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love my marijuana. Makes doing nothing/ the mundane entertaining
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So you like other drugs, but not marijuana.. Alright, nothing wrong with that but what If I told you I liked marijuana but not MDMA, LSD, DMT, Mushrooms, ect.... and I thought there were no use for them?
It's all a preference and wether or not you get something out of one thing and not the other doesn't mean that it's set in stone thats that.
I smoke weed and then workout, and guess what! I fucking loving it, sure I could do it sober (which I do also) but I prefer to do it stoned because sometimes I'm fucking tired and being high helps.
I'm not offended even though it may sound like that, I just like to throw f bombs and stuff around some times.
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Oh god this thread again?
If you don't like marijuana, then you shouldn't smoke it. I like it, so I will continue to smoke it. You gotta problem with that?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: ChinChiller] 1
#19116346 - 11/10/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weed makes me sociable, calm, happy, and chilled out. Whereas when I am sober I am slightly uptight. I have more fun being around other people being stoned.
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See, whenever I have smoked marijuana in the past few years, I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?" and it is a question to which I have no answer. Because the problem with marijuana is that it accomplishes nothing. There is nothing to gain. There is no upside.
I am sorry that your mind doesn't respond well to cannabis. Your reaction to it is not the reaction that 'smokers' get and you're entitled to your own opinions. And that's exactly what they are: opinions. To say that "marijuana accomplishes nothing," "there is no gain" well that's certainly your opinion. There are many people in this world, myself included, who have positive experiences with marijuana. There are those who cannabis smoking helps to maintain a decent appetite, and even maintain their sanity. A lot of cannabis users I know are actually motivated by smoking cannabis, contrary to the popular image of the sedentary stoner.
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I really dislike weed: because it sucks. Let me explain: if you look at the use of marijuana in western culture, it's an absolute joke. I have a friend, an artist, who religiously smokes marijuana. He feels like he's reaping the benefits of marijuana, using it to help his creativity, to ease his muscle tension, to lubricate social interactions, and whatever else. But he's not reaping the benefits, because marijuana isn't enhancing anything: it's compensating for his inadequacies. It's a crutch, and as someone who keeps his distance from it, I can see it for what it is. Truthfully, I hate hanging out with him. But what's even more interesting is that I introduced him to shrooms, which I use seasonally at best, and he has a very limited interest in it. This is significant, because mushrooms can fill you with euphoria, and bestow you with some sort of connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world in a way that marijuana cannot even remotely achieve. Bust most of all, mushrooms make you aware of your own identity and help you confront your own inadequacies, and I can only speculate why he wouldn't like that, but I think I have the right idea.
Not everyone's mind responds the same way towards different drugs. I think you are extreme close-minded to say for your friend that cannabis is his crutch, while psilocybes "bestow... connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world in a way that marijuana cannot even remotely achieve." You are basing this all on your knowledge and opinions and maybe, for your friend, cannabis does exactly that what you think it does not.
Tl;dr, I think you're jumping to conclusions about your friend and smokers in general, when in reality you just don't like the way the drug affects you.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mylfgur]
#19116441 - 11/10/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your opinion sucks, no offense. Just because you don't like it doesn't give it all these negative qualities. In fact, I'm like you (sorta), I don't really care for cannabis, I mean I love it but its not the end all be all that its made out to be but it certainly has its place and it does make things better and it is an enhancer. I do dislike those stone serious pot heads who worship cannabis, it's annoying as hell but your opinion is as annoying as theirs because it is so far gone in its determination to be RIGHT, such is their opinion. Cannabis is just another amazing drug that I love but its just another one of a bunch, I like other things more than it an I like other things less than it but overall it does have its place in my heart because although I have been abstaining from it for half a year +, I did enjoy it for several years and it did enhance my life in some ways and it had negatives too but I've finally figured out how to use it for its benefits and avoid its negatives in my life.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: GreySatyr] 3
#19116584 - 11/10/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've quit pot many times for various reasons - dry spell, drug test, respiratory problems, etc... and every time I start back up I go through a period of thinking "why did I just do that?". That whole paranoid panic feeling. Regret, guilt, wanting it to end.. been there many times and I know how much it sucks.
That's the dark side of marijuana - strong marijuana especially. When you start getting high every day, or multiple times each day that feeling goes away completely. That's when you get the true pleasure that cannabis has to offer. When you haven't done it in a while, and then you do it, your mind gets disoriented and it's not pleasurable. But when you're in that zone where you're one with the plant, that's when it all comes together. If it always felt crappy with paranoia, etc.. then nobody would like pot... but that's clearly not the case.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
#19116659 - 11/10/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love me some chronic, but it always leaves me in a hazy/disoriented state for a few days afterwards. Nothing major, but it makes concentrating and thinking abstractly pretty difficult. Does anyone else experience this?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
#19116662 - 11/10/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think the more productive and smart you are the better it works, generally. the smart stoners i know seem to get soooo much more out of it then the average stoner who sits around and watches tv. read up on carl sagan's article he wrote on marijuana for example. the effects he gets are definitely not that of "regret and self-loathing." he seemed to get so much more out of it as do a lot of smokers. the feelings you get on marijuana are either just because your body can't handle it well or that you can't handle it mentally due to whatever underlying problems you may have.
point is if you have your shit together, and are a productive, smart and happy person, marijuana will most likely boost those traits.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
#19116704 - 11/10/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Universe said:
That's the dark side of marijuana - strong marijuana especially. When you start getting high every day, or multiple times each day that feeling goes away completely. That's when you get the true pleasure that cannabis has to offer. When you haven't done it in a while, and then you do it, your mind gets disoriented and it's not pleasurable. But when you're in that zone where you're one with the plant, that's when it all comes together. If it always felt crappy with paranoia, etc.. then nobody would like pot... but that's clearly not the case.

Cannabis is unlike a lot of other drugs for that reason. I feel like a lot of the negative side effects from smoking go away with tolerance.
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Regret and self loathing might be just what you need.
I find Marijuana very inebriating. I never get a tolerance to it either, which is why I eat it every night now. It gives me sleep. Sleep is fucking awesome. Sometimes it makes me creative or focussed on spiritual practice or motivated for house work. Often I just have to lie down.
I don't like smoking it. Eating weed is so much better.
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I agree, eating it is loads better.
I also agree with the poster who said something sbout tolerance allowing users to enjoy it more often which is the thing that I hate about it. You've got to be a regular user to really get the best effects or you have to dose extremely low, especially in my case and that sucks.
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I think marijuana can't stand YOU
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: GreySatyr]
#19116812 - 11/10/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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one thing people forget is that weed can provide a very powerful reaction that can cause people to get severe anxiety and schizophrenia like side effects. its got a lot to do with environment like for instance if your in the company of a lazy eyed, inbred, buzz killing idiot that doesn't know when to shut the fuck up your experience can be shit. but if your by yourself weed can be very relaxing and meditative. when I was your age I didn't like weed much either because it caused me to get 'weird' around my friends and family and I didn't enjoy myself. but when I got a little older I love the weird effect it has on me and also I dont give a fuck about what any idiot thinks and I smoke it now and love it. if you don't like it then you could always just not smoke it :b
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mrnixon]
#19116884 - 11/10/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weed is awesome
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Can-i-bus]
#19117279 - 11/10/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Universe said:
That's the dark side of marijuana - strong marijuana especially. When you start getting high every day, or multiple times each day that feeling goes away completely. That's when you get the true pleasure that cannabis has to offer. When you haven't done it in a while, and then you do it, your mind gets disoriented and it's not pleasurable. But when you're in that zone where you're one with the plant, that's when it all comes together. If it always felt crappy with paranoia, etc.. then nobody would like pot... but that's clearly not the case.

Cannabis is unlike a lot of other drugs for that reason. I feel like a lot of the negative side effects from smoking go away with tolerance.
And I am aware of this fact, but this presents a problem, because it basically promotes a certain amount of dependency on marijuana to get into a groove.
I'm not denying that people like pot, because clearly they do, and I recognize the appeal, but it's just important to look at the reasons why people are smoking it. Some of the responses have mentioned that it makes the "mundane entertaining" and that "weed makes me sociable and calm" among other things, but those aren't strikes against my position: it's the opposite. What you're describing is basically a form of self-medicating, where for some reason or another, you express a desire or need to smoke to achieve something that you should just be able to do or feel in a sober state. This is what I see frequently with marijuana use, and no I'm not a fucking doctor. I'm not a shill either.
What I'm saying applies to the people out there, maybe people on this forum or on this thread, who have posters of a marijuana leaf. Who have some extravagant, gaudy smoking apparatus and use words such as "ripping" and "bong" on a daily basis. Who's car/ apartment perpetually smells like weed. Who smokes in anticipation of performing basic daily functions. Who spends exorbitant amounts of money on bud. Who constantly brings up the subject of marijuana legalization. Who needs to smoke to be sociable. Who gets high and doesn't think it alters his/her ability to perform certain tasks in any way. Those are all problems, and while you're entitled to do it, that's not enhancing anything. That's a coping mechanism. You know what would be completely pointless right now, for me to do? Continue on this thread? Absolutely, lol, but also to get high. Tomorrow I'm going to go to the gym, do some course work, clean my apartment, visit a friend, and then read or something or other. Getting high doesn't fit anywhere into that equation, and it never does. And to be fair, neither does any other psychedelic. If I'm going to do a psychedelic, I'm going to set aside a certain amount of time on a certain day and not do anything else during that period. If you need it to sleep at night, then you've got yourself some sleeping issues.
I can't stand it, and maybe it can't stand me, but I'm fine with that, somehow. In another time or place, I might feel differently, and maybe I'm really taking issue with what marijuana has been made out to be, and not what it really is. Like this guy right here with this swiveling marijuana leaf and the statement "weed is awesome" is just not helping anything. Because it's just a tool, but it's a tool that gets used way too often and for the the wrong job.
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Just kidding op, You could say a lot of the same things about alcohol, or tobacco. To each his own. But, a lot of people enjoy those too.
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Can you explain what benefits you're referring to when you say that marijuana accomplishes nothing? Since when are drugs supposed to help you accomplish anything?
The "benefit" of marijuana is really simple- it enhances sensation. That's it. Thinking becomes more fun and creative, food begins to have a lot more flavor and taste, music puts you in this trippy headspace that feels really good, the concepts of past and future begin to disintegrate and you feel more in the now, and so forth. Basically, any activity that you enjoy sober generally tends to feel better when you're high.
How you don't understand that is beyond me.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
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It doesn't sound like you're very happy with yourself. You've been trained to believe that getting high for "no reason" is something that is a waste of time by society. It also sounds like you're surrounded by constant smokers, which I used to be. I agree that that type of behavior isn't beneficial and that they aren't doing anything but not dealing with their inadequacies, however, it seems you are not quite comfortable with yourself. Me personally, I don't need to feel like I'm growing or gaining something from every chemical I ingest. I enjoy having spiritual and deep experiences which I feel like I'm bringing something back. I also enjoy taking psychedelics and creating art and bringing that back, but, I also enjoy the feelings I get from many chemicals and I don't feel bad about it because I know the effects and I'm deciding to feel those effects. It sounds like you're more upset with people's inability/choice to not change themselves and look to easy fixes. Don't blame such a beautiful plant buddy and realize there are plenty of individuals who do terrible and saddening things with psilocybin mushrooms as well as most mind altering substances.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
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Alexestalex said: Can you explain what benefits you're referring to when you say that marijuana accomplishes nothing? Since when are drugs supposed to help you accomplish anything?
The "benefit" of marijuana is really simple- it enhances sensation. That's it. Thinking becomes more fun and creative, food begins to have a lot more flavor and taste, music puts you in this trippy headspace that feels really good, the concepts of past and future begin to disintegrate and you feel more in the now, and so forth. Basically, any activity that you enjoy sober generally tends to feel better when you're high.
How you don't understand that is beyond me.
Drugs are always supposed to help you accomplish something. Do you not realize that? We do nothing without an incentive or drive. You do not take a drug for no reason whatsoever, and neither do you do anything else. If "just for the fuck of it" is your reason, than that is possibly what you're trying to accomplish, or most likely it's something else even if you're not aware of it.
But you're misrepresenting marijuana, again, which is such an endemic notion. You describe it as something that is purely positive with only an upside, but that's not the case as with everything else. Shrooms enhance sensation as well, but I would scoff at the idea of--and might you as well?--someone eating shrooms with the same sort of frequency and in the same sort of context or with the same purpose that they smoke pot. And neither am I under the illusion that shrooms don't have negative aspects, because they absolutely do, which would likely come to light if you ate them everyday. Using tobacco would be a more obvious comparison, but it's pretty much the same deal, and I can't stand that either. Marijuana isn't in some separate, exalted category of drugs.
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"I cant stand marijuana"
Your personal experience and other peoples experiences are not the same. To each their own.
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I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.
Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.
You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?
tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.
Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
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Alexestalex said: I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.
Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.
You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?
tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.
Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.
Yes but I have experienced that, and no I'm not trolling. Stating that you didn't enjoy it until your 20th sesh helps nothing, because you're entering into the territory of habitual use again, which is one of the issues I have. It's another reason not to tolerate it, because you're implying that I have to develop some sort of dependency to enjoy it. I'm operating from the standpoint that sobriety is the ideal state of consciousness, so if you are not, then we won't converge on any points, really. You are mistaken about the perspective that I have on the pointlessness of activities and yields, because then I wouldn't spend any time to have made this thread, or to jerk off, or whatever else. I specifically take issue with you saying "If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?" because there is absolutely a problem with that, which is drug dependency. You absolutely do not need drugs of any kind to achieve any of those things.
I'll tell you one thing marijuana doesn't enhance: being sober.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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It's not really related directly to the current discussion but I know of a not insignificant proportion of people and myself who find MJ just doesn't sit well with them, the whole body rejects it, some of them mention persecutory delusions and I certainly experience this; I believe it created my current schizoaffective disorder.
MJ isn't always friendly...
Just wanted to add that in. If it hasn't already come to light it is my opinion that it will eventually be found that a not insignificant percentage of smokers will either fail to have a positive experience and/or develop psychotic symptoms.
But having never had a single positive MJ experience I might be a bit biased.
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I get where you're coming from, OP and I agree with you on some levels. I never understand why frequent smokers get all uppity when people have counter opinions on cannabis. All drugs are a luxury. Simple as that. One should be able to be in place with there mind, soul, heart, etc. FIRST with out relying on any sort of psychoactive. I've always felt if you do something too frequently that new feeling or perspective becomes an old mundane one. My personal approach to taking any sort of psychoactive is to use it occasionally. The effects seem more special in comparison to building a tolerance.
BUUT that is just my perspective. Not trying to be divisive or anything.
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hell, I get the feeling when i smoke a cigarette. LOL It's my mind telling me- You just inhaled poison, why are you doing this to yourself? What have you gained?
As for doing drugs for answers, it often ends up being that you are left with more questions instead. Go figure
FWIW, Perhaps it's a sign you should quit MJ for a while.
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I'm starting to smoke less and less. It sucks when your only thought during the day is "this would be so much funner if i was high". You start to limit your enjoyment of life activities because you feel like it would be enhanced through weed. The truth is you'd probably enjoy those activities just fine if you didn't put expectations on them not being as enjoyable unless you had weed.
It's great to wind down after a long day, but i think, at least for me, it's really unhealthy to use it so frequently.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: LysergicX7]
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That's just like your opinion man.
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I don't like Marijuana simply because it's the only drug that has ever made me paranoid on multiple occasions and even for a couple days after being sober. Other people can't even fathom my dislike for it since they've never shared the same experiences as myself. I did have some good times with it, never any inspiration though, I guess to each is own.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: iamerror73]
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I agree weed sucks majorly, but your attitude is pretty damn biased. I agree that I will never understand the people who prefer weed to psychedelics. That just doesn't compute in my mind. I also agree that a lot of people smoke too much for what's good for them. But I could never say weed has no value to anyone or make sweeping generalizations like you did
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JacksonMetaller said: I agree weed sucks majorly, but your attitude is pretty damn biased. I agree that I will never understand the people who prefer weed to psychedelics. That just doesn't compute in my mind. I also agree that a lot of people smoke too much for what's good for them. But I could never say weed has no value to anyone or make sweeping generalizations like you did
My attitude is a bit biased, yes, but that can't be helped. It comes down to my own personal experience, which is not shared with everyone else, obviously. In being so polarized, however, I'm trying to be a bit controversial. I'm not trying to "troll," no. And I'm not even saying that I hate weed (did I say that yet?) or that I hate people who smoke it/eat it--this wasn't meant to be personal attack.
Smoking is very unpleasant for me at this point, yes, and that's why I never do it anymore, not for years, but there was one point when I smoked frequently, for about half a year or longer, and I don't think that I gained anything from it. Not that there has to be something to gain, but in comparison to other substances, like the occasional mushroom trip, I feel like it falls very short of that mark. I felt like there was and still feel like there is this facade that smoking is not akin to smoking cigarettes or alcoholism or taking anti-depressants or whatever and in terms of physical harmfulness/toxicity, I would agree that it's not. But it's still substance abuse, I have disdain for the belief that it isn't. And when I say that it doesn't have any value, that's just what I've experienced, but I should mention that that statement does not apply to a few specific medical conditions. But beyond the scope of those conditions, I feel that it doesn't, at least not anymore. The way that it is viewed and used by what I believe to be the vast majority people has no value. I think that's an important perspective to put out there from someone who is very pro-drug (pro-psychedelic). I think it's easy to take the arguments that anti-drug, anti-legalization people dish out about weed, but there is a grain of truth to some of those arguments as bitter as it makes me to admit that. Just to make yet another comparison, if I did shrooms frequently, let's say everyday, then they would also cease to have any value.
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I don't completely agree, but I really understand your view. I smoke a couple times a week at the moment. Which I like because I don't get too much tolerance, as I prefer the intense head high. And when I do smoke its always when I have nothing else to do, so its just time set aside at the end of the day to decompress, which I see as useful. I have friends who get high everyday and have somewhat of a psychological dependance on it. I don't give them shit about it because I don't care it's their life not mine. I wouldn't do that for myself for personal reasons, but some people don't have a problem with smoking that heavily.
I actually understand why people would prefer weed to psyches. For me, weed is very laughy and care free (which is alluring by nature) and occasionally some paranoia/anxiety. And mushrooms make me REALLY anxious, I still enjoy them for their other benefits, but I can see why other people would be completely turned off of them because to be honest, they can be scary as hell!
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Dont blame the plant man, the plant hasnt done shit and only does what its suppose to do. If you dont like smoking it then dont smoke or stop smoking but dont go on asking stupid questions like why do people use this drug? and that it has no value what so ever. Please stfu and keep your inccorect comments to yourself and go fukin get your fix on however you need to..
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Rohto]
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You can't stand marijuana because it's not a substance for everyone. It's pretty simple really, MJ has side effects that outweigh positives for many people.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: iamerror73]
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iamerror73 said: I don't like Marijuana simply because it's the only drug that has ever made me paranoid on multiple occasions and even for a couple days after being sober. Other people can't even fathom my dislike for it since they've never shared the same experiences as myself. I did have some good times with it, never any inspiration though, I guess to each is own. 
Yeah this is the main reason I dislike weed, makes me feel nasty for a few days after. Also I find people extremely boring when they are stoned and it has destroyed many of my friends curiosty and imagaination, leaving them content with doing nothing for days on ends
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Rohto]
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Pureless said: You can't stand marijuana because it's not a substance for everyone. It's pretty simple really, MJ has side effects that outweigh positives for many people.
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Rohto said: Dont blame the plant man, the plant hasnt done shit and only does what its suppose to do. If you dont like smoking it then dont smoke or stop smoking but dont go on asking stupid questions like why do people use this drug? and that it has no value what so ever. Please stfu and keep your inccorect comments to yourself and go fukin get your fix on however you need to..
But this isn't about getting a fix. I don't need a goddamn fix. That's like the "theme" of this thread. Is getting high a fix for you? Because in my experience, that's what people are using it for: a fix. I don't like smoking because there's no reason to smoke anything. Ever. That's a ridiculous premise. Somehow people look at smoking tobacco and smoking marijuana and they don't draw any parallels. Why does anyone insist on burning plant matter and inhaling it? That was never a good idea from the standpoint of a sustainable habit. To a well-adjusted person who has a healthy relationship with drugs, there is no value to be found in marijuana. This idea that there is some grandiose benefit to getting high and doing things is absurd. At the point that you presume that you can just get high and do everything that would normally do, you are essentially saying that using marijuana is completely inconsequential or marginal, both in terms of health effects and psychological effects, which then begs the question "why even bother with it?" Like this guy who says "I'm high" above on this page. Seriously? Case and point.
It's this illusion that marijuana is enhancing parts of your life, which a lot of people are feeding into, and that's just not the case. You are boring when your stoned. That is a fact. It's kind of like if you've ever trip sat for someone: they act retarded. You need to be self-aware about this, which people aren't. As an appeal to people who think that they can be high and it makes no difference to anyone else...that's just not true. Like my same friend who smokes all the time when I see him, he's not aware that he sounds like an idiot and that he was just put up a barrier not only between me and him, but to everyone else.
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Yea... If you don't like then don't smoke. Simple enough for you, bud?
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Pureless said: You can't stand marijuana because it's not a substance for everyone. It's pretty simple really, MJ has side effects that outweigh positives for many people.
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But this isn't about getting a fix. I don't need a goddamn fix. That's like the "theme" of this thread. Is getting high a fix for you? Because in my experience, that's what people are using it for: a fix. I don't like smoking because there's no reason to smoke anything. Ever. That's a ridiculous premise. Somehow people look at smoking tobacco and smoking marijuana and they don't draw any parallels. Why does anyone insist on burning plant matter and inhaling it? That was never a good idea from the standpoint of a sustainable habit. To a well-adjusted person who has a healthy relationship with drugs, there is no value to be found in marijuana. This idea that there is some grandiose benefit to getting high and doing things is absurd. At the point that you presume that you can just get high and do everything that would normally do, you are essentially saying that using marijuana is completely inconsequential or marginal, both in terms of health effects and psychological effects, which then begs the question "why even bother with it?" Like this guy who says "I'm high" above on this page. Seriously? Case and point.
It's this illusion that marijuana is enhancing parts of your life, which a lot of people are feeding into, and that's just not the case. You are boring when your stoned. That is a fact. It's kind of like if you've ever trip sat for someone: they act retarded. You need to be self-aware about this, which people aren't. As an appeal to people who think that they can be high and it makes no difference to anyone else...that's just not true. Like my same friend who smokes all the time when I see him, he's not aware that he sounds like an idiot and that he was just put up a barrier not only between me and him, but to everyone else.

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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: ChinChiller]
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: russhroom]
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Yea... If you don't like then don't smoke. Simple enough for you, bud?
And I don't. That's not simple enough, though. I know I'm not alone on this. I know it. As someone who is very observant about human behavior, I see the hypocrisy that's inherent the a lot of people's use of marijuana. It's there, whether or not you see it. Surely it doesn't go unnoticed by more people. Posting in this community is definitely barking up the wrong tree, but that's partly why I'm doing it: to get people's attention. If it's been a month since you last used marijuana and you feel like it would really do you some good, then you have a healthy, balanced relationship with it. But who uses it that judiciously? Anyone?
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 Not many people are as closed minded as you, try talking to some 60 year old right wingers though
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Pureless]
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hypocrisy?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Pureless]
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What the fuck you mean that's not simple enough? What you want every single person who uses marijuana to explain to you why they use it, so what you can tell them your opinion on it? Here is a question why the fuck do you care? It's weed man? Coming from someone who has used it a handful of times you sound pretty ignorant.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
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Alexestalex said: Can you explain what benefits you're referring to when you say that marijuana accomplishes nothing? Since when are drugs supposed to help you accomplish anything?
The "benefit" of marijuana is really simple- it enhances sensation. That's it. Thinking becomes more fun and creative, food begins to have a lot more flavor and taste, music puts you in this trippy headspace that feels really good, the concepts of past and future begin to disintegrate and you feel more in the now, and so forth. Basically, any activity that you enjoy sober generally tends to feel better when you're high.
How you don't understand that is beyond me.
I stopped smoking weed about 3.5 months ago. I agree that it still definitely has value. But I am much happier not smoking everyday. It burns a lot of money, and I start to question if the somewhat mild effects are worth the cost. Now, unlike OP, I don't blame people for their everyday use. In fact, I quite like to sit and relax with people who wanna smoke a blunt or whatever even if I don't want to smoke it. It's an amazing thing to compliment other substances, and a great tool to relax. But after a certain amount of everyday use and habituation, getting high becomes ablout maintaining rather than exceeding. It's just less fun. After I feel I've been sober long enough to not fiend over it, I'll go back to it.
Getting high is cool.
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im thinking he cant score dank , and its sour grapes.
peeps do this, they get all superior cuz they dont smoke pot.
jokes on them, pot smokers rule. we beat the entire globes drug war machine, in just a few decades.
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It won't waste all your money if you grow it yourself. It won't cause your body harm if you eat it instead of smoke it. If you don't like it don't smoke it.
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Marijuana produces specific states of awareness which are desirable to people who like to use it. Meditation is a method of inducing long term conscious change to those who like to do it. Viewing art or painting/drawing will produce a subtle alteration in ones consciousness which is apparent to those who can sense minute change. Hell, I even notice a change in consciousness when having a deep philosophical discussion or debate. I wouldn't say any of the above are pointless because they add nothing to the sum of knowledge or fail to forward the evolution of mankind. If a person enjoys the state that Marijuana induces, even if they abuse it and don't cause harm to anyone else, then where is the issue?
If you find your friends boring When toking, and they always toke, then take the initiative and drop them. Find new friends.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: misterjingo]
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misterjingo said: Marijuana produces specific states of awareness which are desirable to people who like to use it. Meditation is a method of inducing long term conscious change to those who like to do it. Viewing art or painting/drawing will produce a subtle alteration in ones consciousness which is apparent to those who can sense minute change. Hell, I even notice a change in consciousness when having a deep philosophical discussion or debate. I wouldn't say any of the above are pointless because they add nothing to the sum of knowledge or fail to forward the evolution of mankind. If a person enjoys the state that Marijuana induces, even if they abuse it and don't cause harm to anyone else, then where is the issue?
If you find your friends boring When toking, and they always toke, then take the initiative and drop them. Find new friends.
Life is way too short to get hung up on things you can't change in other people.
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Pureless said: You can't stand marijuana because it's not a substance for everyone. It's pretty simple really, MJ has side effects that outweigh positives for many people.
This.
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un-known-ome said: This idea that there is some grandiose benefit to getting high and doing things is absurd. At the point that you presume that you can just get high and do everything that would normally do, you are essentially saying that using marijuana is completely inconsequential or marginal, both in terms of health effects and psychological effects...
You are boring when your stoned. That is a fact. It's kind of like if you've ever trip sat for someone: they act retarded. You need to be self-aware about this, which people aren't. As an appeal to people who think that they can be high and it makes no difference to anyone else...that's just not true. Like my same friend who smokes all the time when I see him, he's not aware that he sounds like an idiot and that he was just put up a barrier not only between me and him, but to everyone else.
You have a confirmation bias with cannabis use. There's obviously nothing anyone can say on this forum that would convince you that the drug can help people. You're just as 'dumb' as you think your friend is if you cannot get past this.
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This thread makes me wanna smoke pot and I quit several months ago for probation.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: GreySatyr]
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helps me alot......... otherwise id be mean.
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I know right? Lol I'm such an asshole when I'm sober
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mylfgur]
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Pureless said: You can't stand marijuana because it's not a substance for everyone. It's pretty simple really, MJ has side effects that outweigh positives for many people.
This.
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un-known-ome said: This idea that there is some grandiose benefit to getting high and doing things is absurd. At the point that you presume that you can just get high and do everything that would normally do, you are essentially saying that using marijuana is completely inconsequential or marginal, both in terms of health effects and psychological effects...
You are boring when your stoned. That is a fact. It's kind of like if you've ever trip sat for someone: they act retarded. You need to be self-aware about this, which people aren't. As an appeal to people who think that they can be high and it makes no difference to anyone else...that's just not true. Like my same friend who smokes all the time when I see him, he's not aware that he sounds like an idiot and that he was just put up a barrier not only between me and him, but to everyone else.
You have a confirmation bias with cannabis use. There's obviously nothing anyone can say on this forum that would convince you that the drug can help people. You're just as 'dumb' as you think your friend is if you cannot get past this.
No, there isn't anything you can say, honestly. Because I've figured it out. My position is not dumb or uninformed: it's brutally honest, and it's clearly not something you want to hear. I know well enough not to criticize a smoker for their habit: they don't like that one bit.
If anyone has heard about Miley Cyrus' latest award acceptance: that, right there, is a major reason why weed sucks.
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If anyone has heard about Miley Cyrus' latest award acceptance: that, right there, is a major reason why weed sucks.

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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
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Congratulations! You've just crossed over to being s complete ignorant fuck, using the way one person acts on weed to describe a whole plethora of stoners.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
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Stoned as cheech right now man! Gotta smoke of that sweet shit
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
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no it isnt.
weed smokers have the last word. its why the drug war is collapsing.
im sorry, but anti weed forces, lost. get the memo. you have been overgrown.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
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If anyone has heard about Miley Cyrus' latest award acceptance: that, right there, is a major reason why weed sucks.

Fine, weed sucks - discussion over.
You've missed the point. You've lost the plot. Miley Cyrus is hooker trash. She's worthless. I could care less about her or anything she does. But my statement has merit, whether or not you recognize that. It's stunts like that that ruin it for everyone. Because to a degree that's what it is, and that's why people start smoking it-- the "hey look at me I smoke weed and I don't give a fuck" act. Because that's real, and it's incredibly common.
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Congratulations! You've just crossed over to being s complete ignorant fuck, using the way one person acts on weed to describe a whole plethora of stoners.
Please describe how you use weed, in detail, and what it means to you. You have the floor.
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bet i could guess what miley thinks of you. and i bet she throws a better party than you do.
ya wanna pick on a slut, pick on me. ill show your straight edge ass a cherry sized blunt tip.
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Well clearly I smoke weed because I care what everbody thinks of me right? I just want to look cool man just like everybody else. I use cannabis because is the only substance on this earth that can make me feel connected to everything in this world, it helps me see and understand other peoples point of view and helps me have compassion for others( something when I'm sober is lost) i don't have to explain myself to you, because your nobody. Your a close minded person who apparently can understand everthing about human behavior, so why don't you explain to me why I use cannabis.
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i am.........1101 posts. have to celebrate.
if the OP doesnt like pot , who cares, more for me.
he declared hes too holy for weed or sluts, so hell with him, hes off the A list.
yawn on and pretend to prosper as a drone.
my work is done in this thread. all the luv to the weedy peeps , these smug anti greens peeps ,are why we fight/ overgrow. dont forget it.
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I am actually a connoisseur of weed and sluts. OP doesn't know what he's missing. All the weeds and sluts for me!
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Well clearly I smoke weed because I care what everbody thinks of me right? I just want to look cool man just like everybody else. I use cannabis because is the only substance on this earth that can make me feel connected to everything in this world, it helps me see and understand other peoples point of view and helps me have compassion for others( something when I'm sober is lost) i don't have to explain myself to you, because your nobody. Your a close minded person who apparently can understand everthing about human behavior, so why don't you explain to me why I use cannabis.
And you're nobody as well. You might as well be a bot, and I wouldn't know any different. The reply you've offered makes me think that you feel inadequate in some way when you're sober. If smoking/eating cannabis makes you feel connected and have compassion for other people, it makes me wonder why you feel disconnected and in-compassionate to begin with. When you frame it that way, it sounds as if it's a crutch of some kind for you. I mean, I'm not attempting to psychoanalyze you beyond what you've given me, so that's all I can really say on the matter. It's like when people describe what they got out of it, and not just you, it sounds as if they feel like it's bringing them back to some sort of baseline that they should normally be at, but for some reason are running a deficit normally. And if that's the case, then marijuana is just there for you to be able to cope with whatever it is. I don't know exactly. But in the long run, you're losing ground, not gaining it.
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weed kills motivation, fact
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
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Bullshit over generalization, not fact. It may be true for some people. But it is not true for everyone.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Can-i-bus]
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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nssurge said: weed kills motivation, fact
Bullshit over generalization, not fact. It may be true for some people. But it is not true for everyone.
Every single person I've met who regularly smokes weed ie once a week or more, has no motivation to do anything, and all there interested in is getting high and doing literally nothing. Maybe not true for everyone, but for everyone I know who smokes which is many it is
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
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nssurge said: weed kills motivation, fact
Bullshit over generalization, not fact. It may be true for some people. But it is not true for everyone.
Every single person I've met who regularly smokes weed ie once a week or more, has no motivation to do anything, and all there interested in is getting high and doing literally nothing. Maybe not true for everyone, but for everyone I know who smokes which is many it is
Are they people that would have motivation without the herb as well? I've seen that people that are generally lazy get lazy but people that actually are active and enjoy doing things continue doing so, even with daily use.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: EmL]
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I Can't stand smoking Marijuana either. That's why i extract it and take a nice glob of full melt to the face.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: EmL]
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You sound like me a lot of the time. You get high and wonder why you did? Couldnt you just have fun being sober? This happens to me because im somebody who was raised being told my parents constantly that theres always something to do to get better or improve on in life and that for me ruins it sometimes because ill just sit there and feel like a fuckin bum.
I have an addictive personality though so most of the time ill just smoke automatically and just try to not think about it and go along with my daily routine. I like the slight slight psychedelic effects it provides the most though and thats what keeps my addictive personality coming back...i love how unique the whole experience is and keeps my busy mind occupied much like adderall does for overactive kids.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: EmL]
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nssurge said: weed kills motivation, fact
Bullshit over generalization, not fact. It may be true for some people. But it is not true for everyone.
Every single person I've met who regularly smokes weed ie once a week or more, has no motivation to do anything, and all there interested in is getting high and doing literally nothing. Maybe not true for everyone, but for everyone I know who smokes which is many it is
Are they people that would have motivation without the herb as well? I've seen that people that are generally lazy get lazy but people that actually are active and enjoy doing things continue doing so, even with daily use.
Funnily enough, I have never once said that weed kills motivation on this thread, because I don't believe that at all. I think that some people who have gone through this thread have had the impression that I think marijuana is bad, but that is not the case. I'm mostly saying that weed is wasted on morons, lazy assholes, cunts, posers, wannabe's, and the lot. It's not really much different, in my eyes, from alcohol, although I'm sure that will ruffle some people's feathers.
If you looks at the vast majority of people who start smoking weed or smoking anything, they don't start it because they're enhancing their life or because it's making them a better person. They do it because either other people are doing it, they have nothing better to do, want to have fun, or they want to experiment. That's pretty much it, and if you think you're different, you give yourself way to much credit. Then at some point, you start rationalizing that you're doing it for other reasons and that it's helping your life or that it conveys all these advantages to you in life and how it's a positive force. And to the people who say that maybe they just smoke for the fuck of it because they like, then why even bother if it's that insignificant or inconsequential? If you can do everything that normally do when you're high, then what's the point? And if everyone on this thread is the exception to what I'm saying, then I'm sorry, but I highly doubt that that's the case.
And again, seriously, I hope it becomes legal. I really hope so. I support it and I support everyone's right to use it or grow it or shove it up their ass or whatever. That's not what this is about. If you're surrounded by people who don't know that you smoke weed, then you're doing it right, and good for you.
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Every single person I've met who regularly smokes weed ie once a week or more, has no motivation to do anything, and all there interested in is getting high and doing literally nothing. Maybe not true for everyone, but for everyone I know who smokes which is many it is
Are they people that would have motivation without the herb as well? I've seen that people that are generally lazy get lazy but people that actually are active and enjoy doing things continue doing so, even with daily use.
Funnily enough, I have never once said that weed kills motivation on this thread, because I don't believe that at all. I think that some people who have gone through this thread have had the impression that I think marijuana is bad, but that is not the case. I'm mostly saying that weed is wasted on morons, lazy assholes, cunts, posers, wannabe's, and the lot. It's not really much different, in my eyes, from alcohol, although I'm sure that will ruffle some people's feathers.
If you looks at the vast majority of people who start smoking weed or smoking anything, they don't start it because they're enhancing their life or because it's making them a better person. They do it because either other people are doing it, they have nothing better to do, want to have fun, or they want to experiment. That's pretty much it, and if you think you're different, you give yourself way to much credit. Then at some point, you start rationalizing that you're doing it for other reasons and that it's helping your life or that it conveys all these advantages to you in life and how it's a positive force. And to the people who say that maybe they just smoke for the fuck of it because they like, then why even bother if it's that insignificant or inconsequential? If you can do everything that normally do when you're high, then what's the point? And if everyone on this thread is the exception to what I'm saying, then I'm sorry, but I highly doubt that that's the case.
And again, seriously, I hope it becomes legal. I really hope so. I support it and I support everyone's right to use it or grow it or shove it up their ass or whatever. That's not what this is about. If you're surrounded by people who don't know that you smoke weed, then you're doing it right, and good for you.
Yeah maybe your right that the ilegality of weed is what attracts lazy people and the like to it in the first place, but from my own evidence it has reducd many of
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
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pro weed peeps look pretty motivated to me. we over grew the drug war to a collapse.
over the decades, they spent more trying to defeat us, than almost anything else.
even after trashing the bill of rights, and massive prison building, they didnt slow the grow down.
the only other group i know of, that keeps coming over the walls while under fire, is the marines.
its pretty obvious, whos motivated. its the potsmokers.
faux news spin, just isnt plausable anymore.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
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nssurge said: weed kills motivation, fact
Bullshit over generalization, not fact. It may be true for some people. But it is not true for everyone.
Every single person I've met who regularly smokes weed ie once a week or more, has no motivation to do anything, and all there interested in is getting high and doing literally nothing. Maybe not true for everyone, but for everyone I know who smokes which is many it is
So what would you like us to be motivated by? Money? Material items? Sex? It's all just the hamsterwheel of society. I feel blessed that I'm able to step off it from time to time. I don't understand why people feel they have the right to judge what other people should be motivated by. If they are happy is all that matters. Sorry we don't live up to your standards of motivation.
I have the motivation to go to work full time, practice Aikido 4 times a week, and meditate ever single morning for 30 minutes. Most people who don't smoke weed don't have the motivation for these things.
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I agree...I think it is a age thing. I used to love getting high but there was a point at around 21 that I started realizing it really didn't do anything for me, especially since I smoked cigarettes on top of it. I had to stop doing it to maintain a good mindset. I still remember when it was good though. For me marijuana was more of a social thing than anything else. If I was by myself smoking a lot all the time I would make a lot of artwork but also would dwell on too much stuff. I am better without it, but that is just me. Some people love to stay high and I am cool with high people.
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mindgnome said: I agree...I think it is a age thing. I used to love getting high but there was a point at around 21 that I started realizing it really didn't do anything for me, especially since I smoked cigarettes on top of it. I had to stop doing it to maintain a good mindset. I still remember when it was good though. For me marijuana was more of a social thing than anything else. If I was by myself smoking a lot all the time I would make a lot of artwork but also would dwell on too much stuff. I am better without it, but that is just me. Some people love to stay high and I am cool with high people.
and, were cool with you too. you seem most sensible on it all, and ,i respect your non smoking space.
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nssurge said: weed kills motivation, fact
Bullshit over generalization, not fact. It may be true for some people. But it is not true for everyone.
Every single person I've met who regularly smokes weed ie once a week or more, has no motivation to do anything, and all there interested in is getting high and doing literally nothing. Maybe not true for everyone, but for everyone I know who smokes which is many it is
So what would you like us to be motivated by? Money? Material items? Sex? It's all just the hamsterwheel of society. I feel blessed that I'm able to step off it from time to time. I don't understand why people feel they have the right to judge what other people should be motivated by. If they are happy is all that matters. Sorry we don't live up to your standards of motivation.
I have the motivation to go to work full time, practice Aikido 4 times a week, and meditate ever single morning for 30 minutes. Most people who don't smoke weed don't have the motivation for these things.
No, nothing matieral or anything. They would become withdrawn and do nothing interesting, literally sit around for weeks and weeks, doing nothing to better there lives, no social interactions apart from to buy more weed, not going to any gatherings, getting bad grades, becoming incredibly boring to spend time with, generally wasting there time. As someone said earlier in the post weed makes doing nothing fun, so people dont do anything. If weed is ok for you and keeps you motivated then great but ive lost good friends from the negatives of there cannabis addiction
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
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lost good friends from the negatives of there cannabis addiction
and yet, " a friend with weed, is a friend indeed" or , " a friend with out pot, aint worth alot" or, "a friend without dabs, is a friend up for grabs."
and my favorite........... "peeps without herbals, are dumber than gerbils."
fact is, if ya dont wanna smke for whatever reason , fine. just dont make it out like evil lazy weed smokers are spoiling your day. just bust out and admit its not for you.
were not offended , all the more for us.
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yeah I honestly don't think people can be too high just from smoking (eating it is another story). I don't get why some people can't stand being around someone who just smoked a joint or whatever. I like people who are relaxed and not uptight about shit. I like stoners for the most part and even me being sober I still feel like that is my crowd. I can sit with a group of people smoking mad weed and feel completely comfortable not smoking. I like talking about music and philosophical stuff so it is easy for me to get along with stoners. I don't like how some people smoke weed just to look cool and tell you about how Bush was the best president. It is like wtf? It's whatever though because even those stoners will listen to your thoughts. I don't like being around people who get drunk and act like stoners are pussies because they are unenlightened and not interesting to me.
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anne halonium said: lost good friends from the negatives of there cannabis addiction
and yet, " a friend with weed, is a friend indeed" or , " a friend with out pot, aint worth alot" or, "a friend without dabs, is a friend up for grabs."
and my favorite........... "peeps without herbals, are dumber than gerbils."
fact is, if ya dont wanna smke for whatever reason , fine. just dont make it out like evil lazy weed smokers are spoiling your day. just bust out and admit its not for you.
were not offended , all the more for us.
Just stop acting like you're cool shit. Just drop it. I don't know if this is just how you present yourself on the internet, but it's not working. No it's not "all the more for you" and whoever else you're referring to, and all your stupid sayings about weed and friends are obnoxious. You might as well be a fat kid responding to someone who's denouncing McDonalds. How old are you? To be fair, it took me a little bit to figure this stuff out.
Just because you smoke or eat pot, that doesn't make you relaxed or easygoing or cool and insightful. It doesn't make you interesting either, and if you think they listen well that's because they're high. And you're not stepping off the hamsterwheel of life when you light up. You're not getting away from it all and ascending to a higher level of consciousness. You're just getting high. And to a degree, that's what you're doing with all of this stuff, like mushrooms or DMT or LSD or MDMA or Mescaline or what have you, and you have to be honest with yourself about what you're doing and why. If I eat some shrooms, I have no delusions that I might just be getting fucked up and going temporarily insane, but I'm honest with myself about that, and I rarely do it. Rarely. I don't do it like 4-5+ times a week, and I don't advertise that I do it, I don't waste a lot of money on it, I don't think it's fucking cool, and I don't pretend that I'm better than anyone else because I do it. I guarantee that 7/10 people, given the choice, would choose shrooms over marijuana if they knew what each one was really like, particularly shrooms at low doses. You could survey this forum. This is an important point, though, because it illustrates that smoking weed is cool and shrooms are not, and that weed is a bandwagon drug. People do it just because other people do it, and like most other things, that makes it suck. If you smoke, I guarantee that's why you started smoking. I guarantee it. Because it's around, and getting high can be so non-committal, like "hey I can drive just fine when I'm high yippee" and for the most part people can, so they have no qualms about it.
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This comment is entirely relative to you. It is definitely not the same for everyone. I have been able to achieve all of the above with marijuana. It's not for everyone, I suppose...
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and yet, " a friend with weed, is a friend indeed" or , " a friend with out pot, aint worth alot" or, "a friend without dabs, is a friend up for grabs."
and my favorite........... "peeps without herbals, are dumber than gerbils."
fact is, if ya dont wanna smke for whatever reason , fine. just dont make it out like evil lazy weed smokers are spoiling your day. just bust out and admit its not for you.
were not offended , all the more for us.
Just stop acting like you're cool shit. Just drop it. I don't know if this is just how you present yourself on the internet, but it's not working. No it's not "all the more for you" and whoever else you're referring to, and all your stupid sayings about weed and friends are obnoxious. You might as well be a fat kid responding to someone who's denouncing McDonalds. How old are you? To be fair, it took me a little bit to figure this stuff out.
Just because you smoke or eat pot, that doesn't make you relaxed or easygoing or cool and insightful. It doesn't make you interesting either, and if you think they listen well that's because they're high. And you're not stepping off the hamsterwheel of life when you light up. You're not getting away from it all and ascending to a higher level of consciousness. You're just getting high. And to a degree, that's what you're doing with all of this stuff, like mushrooms or DMT or LSD or MDMA or Mescaline or what have you, and you have to be honest with yourself about what you're doing and why. If I eat some shrooms, I have no delusions that I might just be getting fucked up and going temporarily insane, but I'm honest with myself about that, and I rarely do it. Rarely. I don't do it like 4-5+ times a week, and I don't advertise that I do it, I don't waste a lot of money on it, I don't think it's fucking cool, and I don't pretend that I'm better than anyone else because I do it. I guarantee that 7/10 people, given the choice, would choose shrooms over marijuana if they knew what each one was really like, particularly shrooms at low doses. You could survey this forum. This is an important point, though, because it illustrates that smoking weed is cool and shrooms are not, and that weed is a bandwagon drug. People do it just because other people do it, and like most other things, that makes it suck. If you smoke, I guarantee that's why you started smoking. I guarantee it. Because it's around, and getting high can be so non-committal, like "hey I can drive just fine when I'm high yippee" and for the most part people can, so they have no qualms about it.
dude , really, im a stoned slut and im cool with it. i dont over think it. i think your crusading against your own demons here.
if ya dont wanna buzz up. fine. are you seeking a award or something? here?
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its a good drug combo with some other drugs but that is it. for me its not a lifestyle anymore, i feel like other drugs have less detrimental effects on what i am currently focusing on or how i live my lifestyle.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mr sniffles]
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I'm 50. I'm a business owner and I support a family - wife of 25 years and two teenage boys, one going to college in the fall. I own a house and two cars and I play guitar in a professional band on the weekends. I've been consuming cannabis nearly constantly since I was 14. I get high in the morning, afternoon, dinner time, later in the evening and then at bed time. There is rarely a time when I'm not at least a little stoned. I enjoy my life, I love marijuana and I hope it stays that way for a long time. Is there something wrong with me?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
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Here is my most recent experience: hadn't smoked MJ in many months, decided to smoke just once
smoked 2 joints of skunk/tobacco mix ate a big mac, 2 durums, 8 chocolate cakes, etc. (I normally eat very healthy/often fast..) couldn't get up next morning / all day next day didn't get done what I was supposed to next day, and affected next day again too many thoughts that weren't in my control, how fun is thinking if your thoughts are running out of control? if you think about everything, and then 10 variations of that everything too? or if you try to stop thinking, you can't, always at least a few thoughts left and even when you're talking to people next day you know, you cannot stop thinking about weird stuff? and it makes you sound weird...
my thoughts were affected for many days after stopping, weird thoughts/too many thoughts when talking to people my head felt weird for many days afterwards always laughing for several days afterwards at weird times, both when writing and talking to people my writing became weird and my talking/memory was affected for weeks
the door bell rang, I hide my joint, rushed to the door but noone there... stood there a while looking out... nobody there
my identity was affected to some degree for weeks, no sense of time for a few days, no sense of self, no sense of duties/things I wanted done, didn't call back the people who had called me etc. (as I was too high even next day to speak), no motivation for anything... not even cleaning the house
I always observe my thoughts, weed isn't my thing I like to be in control of my thoughts at all times, not have weird thoughts when I talk to people I know..
the soul is the holiest gift we have, and our body we should appreciate :-) what is more important than being yourself most of the time?
if smoking MJ I would only do it very rarely, if I didn't have anything to do next few/many days... and don't take too many puffs... 1-2 puffs and await maybe 10-20mins... stuff is strong today... 1-2 hits got me stoned before this, but smoked 2 joints of that
a buddhist I know says "it is better with smoke on the lungs than on the mind" might be true... the mind is most important if smoking everyday there should be very very careful moderation, which is very hard to control
most that smoke everyday can't control it.. they get stoned/almost stoned
it is only possible to be oneself without stress/drugs/pills body and mind feels best without any drug
smoking just 1 night in many months destroyed my short/long term memory for weeks/gave head pressure for weeks how can you do anything without a memory? I know memory would get back if I kept smoking... but that would be stupid.. :-)
weed usually gives me bad trips not as in fear... but due to I like to be in control of my own thoughts it sucks a lot to talk to people next day(s) and find out what is coming out of your mouth isn't what you ment to say and always paranoid/thinking people are talking about you... lasts many days/weeks
seems it sticks to the mind... unless you smoke more, then you don't notice
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
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Universe said: I'm 50. I'm a business owner and I support a family - wife of 25 years and two teenage boys, one going to college in the fall. I own a house and two cars and I play guitar in a professional band on the weekends. I've been consuming cannabis nearly constantly since I was 14. I get high in the morning, afternoon, dinner time, later in the evening and then at bed time. There is rarely a time when I'm not at least a little stoned. I enjoy my life, I love marijuana and I hope it stays that way for a long time. Is there something wrong with me?
Yeah you got married and had kids...and you get high all the time. I mean you don't have to listen to me, I'm just 22, and I give respect to my elders at all times. Over the internet, that may or may not be the case, but I do make an effort. But that doesn't make me unable to give advice, which would be to stop getting high, although of course you could flip that around and advise me to smoke all the time, but it doesn't really go both ways. There's not necessarily anything wrong with you, but you don't need to get high so often. At this point, I seriously doubt that it does anything for you other than being a habit. I mean seriously, that's the whole point of my rant, which is that there is no point, and no the placebo effect doesn't count. What you could you possibly derive from something that you do several times a day for years on end? You could have dropped it decades ago, and I sincerely believe that it would have had no effect on the trajectory of your life. I mean shit if it's just because you like the way it feels, well I like the way alcohol makes me feel ( as does almost everyone in the universe) but I don't drink every day, and if I did it would be because I had a substance abuse problem. And getting high doesn't equate very well to a cup of tea or coffee in the morning, so I don't want to hear that comparison. Did I cover all my bases?
Also, you don't have to talk yourself up as a successful, well-to-do person. The President of the United States used to be a pothead, so he pretty much trumps any pothead success stories you could ever boast. And that swimmer dude too.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
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Universe said: I'm 50. I'm a business owner and I support a family - wife of 25 years and two teenage boys, one going to college in the fall. I own a house and two cars and I play guitar in a professional band on the weekends. I've been consuming cannabis nearly constantly since I was 14. I get high in the morning, afternoon, dinner time, later in the evening and then at bed time. There is rarely a time when I'm not at least a little stoned. I enjoy my life, I love marijuana and I hope it stays that way for a long time. Is there something wrong with me?
sounds normal enough for me. actually sounds like most of the peeps i know who burn.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mindgnome]
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mindgnome said: yeah I honestly don't think people can be too high just from smoking (eating it is another story). I don't get why some people can't stand being around someone who just smoked a joint or whatever. I like people who are relaxed and not uptight about shit. I like stoners for the most part and even me being sober I still feel like that is my crowd. I can sit with a group of people smoking mad weed and feel completely comfortable not smoking. I like talking about music and philosophical stuff so it is easy for me to get along with stoners. I don't like how some people smoke weed just to look cool and tell you about how Bush was the best president. It is like wtf? It's whatever though because even those stoners will listen to your thoughts. I don't like being around people who get drunk and act like stoners are pussies because they are unenlightened and not interesting to me.
No problem with people smoking weed
just isn't for me
like psychedelics better, they help me make right life choices
weed isolates me...
weed users often have a different view on the world than alcohol users do more accepting maybe, weed often makes people realize they are the same as others and judging is pointless - less afraid to think new as well often
but I notice how easy it is to overdo the weed... thereby my rant above it can easily destroy if not carefully moderated, and I know a few casualties
pot would probably be the most harmless to smoke everyday, hash and skunk is very strong these days often, at least where I live (and using less didn't change anything, still very strong) personally I have tried eating weed too.... I think I liked that effect better than smoking it, helped reading/focus etc. but very very stoned the one time I added too much, regretted for many hours it is hard to find the right dosage with edibles..... depends on preparation method, the type of weed etc. too much and you will regret for the rest of the night and morning too
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
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Alexestalex said: I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.
Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.
You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?
tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.
Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.
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It's not even a situation of getting high itself, at least IMO. To me, I get to appreciate the plant, how the final product is, and how it "performs" if that makes sense. It might just be the grower in me, but every time I see a weed I examine the fuck out of it. I'll smell it, looking at the bud structure. If I already know the strain, then I compare it to previous one's I've seen of the same strain.
Growers look for a pleasing phenotype that have qualities they want to reproduce. Different smelling plants, purpling, Indica vs. Sativa, etc. are all nuances that come with the plants. We look at how well it dried/cured and if it burns smoothly.
As for why a person smokes is their own thing to discover. I noticed that when I opened your thread, OP, that although I disagree with you on your stance, I could understand your point of view objectively. To be honest, I think that is what your problem is, to look at it objectively. For me, as I realize more and more, discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe. I like to contemplate on what is in front of me and my thought on it as I feel the first hit or two come over me.
Take this however you will, but just try to not think how it is not of use to you, but how it would be of no use to anyone, objectively. Moderation is an argument worth standing on, but to say marijuana is pointless is an exaggeration.
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Cannabis isn't for everyone! Although it didn't help me, some people have seen great medicinal, spiritual and recreational benefits in cannabis where other substances have failed.
Despite having diagnosed chronic pain and another qualifying condition, and despite the fact that I can pick up a green card at any time of my choosing, a few years ago about $200 a month was being blown through my vape. At some point I had a random negative experience (sudden and very public panic attack, the only one I've had in my lifetime), and at that point I decided that my pain wasn't bad enough where I could justify escaping it by spending a fraction of my income on a substance that wasn't really helping me move forward in life. That made me amotivational, and forgetful, and impulsively hungry, and needlessly anxious at times.
I haven't used any since then and I don't miss it at all, but I also understand (and am okay with the fact) that other people use it.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: kneesocks]
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"bestow... connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world" I am sorry for you because you never had this experience with cannabis. It's a beautiful drug which can provide many answers and help open up ones eyes , even make you surrender to the whole. Alas psychedelics are a catalyst - yet some people go into the drug experience waiting for random results : whatever happens happens. Few actively seek out to transcend with their help and thus trips can be fairly stupid wastes of time. In fact many go into the trip with expectations and intent which can block such potentially wonderful experiences... First time I smoked the herb I didn't even get high. After years of use I finally combined it with intent and mind techniques (with lots of practice when sober too) and was blown away with experiences progressing in intensity. Mind blowing visuals, communion with universe, overwhelming positive feelings as well as learning to deal with negative feelings.
By the way all food is drugs. Humans require drugs to live. I have high suspicions OP is trolling but maybe this was an interesting read on the topic ... set and setting my friends
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Alexestalex said: I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.
Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.
You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?
tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.
Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.

I used to smoke everyday for a few years, skunk / hash, pretty big amounts
it changes a lot of stuff if you smoke it everyday... but you don't notice till years later
pot would be more harmless I think, I think that if you smoke/get stoned many days you will get negative side effects that last a while quite easily
it actually dissolved my personality, just like mushrooms/lsd can do takes years to rebuild
the only problem with weed is it is so easy to smoke everyday :-) and if I did it every week it would be every day automatically...
moderation is not everyday use IMO, but to each their own everyone who I have seen smoke it everyday smoked enough that it affected their life/relations to others know one who smoked for 15-20 years before stopping, he said the fog took 10 years more to leave know 3 who smoked too much... schizo, so constant thoughts all the time / brain on overload and it took me maybe a year to get somewhat back to normal after I stopped smoking everyday
just personal experience of course... if I were to smoke everyday ever it would be the weakest stuff I could get definitely not skunk :-) , too much paranoia etc. that lasts a while
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: lessismore]
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I'm actually trying to dissolve my personality when I smoke.
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nicechrisman said: I'm actually trying to dissolve my personality when I smoke.
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no problem as long as you are trying to do it
it's more of a problem when you smoked and didn't realize yourself were gone for a few years yourself got replaced with something else... a completely different self but for me it wasn't positive
with psychedelics the new self is more positive for me, but not with weed
I guess it depends on how you use it....
often it is not possible to notice that your self got replaced only after stopping the drug use for a while so it took me a few years before I noticed... changed a lot, but not positive changes
but I didn't moderate either...
was that me? holy shit , hope I don't get there again... I bet many daily smokers think like this after quitting
I still like psychedelics, because they don't make me crave more weed always made me crave more next day/changed thoughts next day for the worse after psychedelics I feel renewed energy/motivation, after weed I feel no energy next day and urge to smoke
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anne halonium said: lost good friends from the negatives of there cannabis addiction
and yet, " a friend with weed, is a friend indeed" or , " a friend with out pot, aint worth alot" or, "a friend without dabs, is a friend up for grabs."
and my favorite........... "peeps without herbals, are dumber than gerbils."
fact is, if ya dont wanna smke for whatever reason , fine. just dont make it out like evil lazy weed smokers are spoiling your day. just bust out and admit its not for you.
were not offended , all the more for us.
I already have admitted I hate the effects of cannabis, but thats got nothing to do with it at all, My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise. another negative is the cost as well, 50 quid a week on weed is alot, and also many of my friends have moved on to those legal weeds that are really fucking strong, i remember having one spliff of them once and praying to god for the next 3 hours to bring me back from hell, crazy shit. I have nothing against smoking cannabis, but i do have an awful alot against being dependent on a substance, and people who smoke every day whether they want to admit it or not are addicted to their cannabis
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Godfather1376 said: It's not even a situation of getting high itself, at least IMO. To me, I get to appreciate the plant, how the final product is, and how it "performs" if that makes sense. It might just be the grower in me, but every time I see a weed I examine the fuck out of it. I'll smell it, looking at the bud structure. If I already know the strain, then I compare it to previous one's I've seen of the same strain.
Growers look for a pleasing phenotype that have qualities they want to reproduce. Different smelling plants, purpling, Indica vs. Sativa, etc. are all nuances that come with the plants. We look at how well it dried/cured and if it burns smoothly.
As for why a person smokes is their own thing to discover. I noticed that when I opened your thread, OP, that although I disagree with you on your stance, I could understand your point of view objectively. To be honest, I think that is what your problem is, to look at it objectively. For me, as I realize more and more, discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe. I like to contemplate on what is in front of me and my thought on it as I feel the first hit or two come over me.
Take this however you will, but just try to not think how it is not of use to you, but how it would be of no use to anyone, objectively. Moderation is an argument worth standing on, but to say marijuana is pointless is an exaggeration.
Yes and no. The utility of the plant really comes down to the subjectivity of the smoker, as does most anything else that we do, but I'm trying to get away from subjectivity because it muddies the waters of absolutely anything and everything we could discuss. You bring up one of the points I'm trying to make when you say that "discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe." See, marijuana is in no way necessary for you to enter into deep thought. You may believe that it enhances your ability to contemplate things, but it's not doing anything for you which you cannot do on your own, and part of growing up and moving on and evolving is realizing this. It's this fallacy that creative-types need to smoke to be, well, creative or that people need to smoke to relax or that you're a cool person because you smoke or whatever else. I mean, what I got out of smoking weed 5+ years ago was good, and I'm glad that I did it. Really, sincerely. I'm not regretful. But at some point you realize that you've gotten what you needed or could get out of it, out of that experience, at which point you lay off of it. And that's where habitual smokers come into it for me, because they keep chuggin' along with weed and feel like they still need it, and fairly often at that. It's almost like some people keep smoking because they're looking for something in that experience that they never really find, because it's not there. To allow the use of marijuana to become a daily routine or become a really significant part of you life really only makes sense if you're managing a chronic condition of some time, and that might be physiological or it might be psychosomatic.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: lessismore]
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nicechrisman said: I'm actually trying to dissolve my personality when I smoke.
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no problem as long as you are trying to do it
it's more of a problem when you smoked and didn't realize yourself were gone for a few years yourself got replaced with something else... a completely different self but for me it wasn't positive
with psychedelics the new self is more positive for me, but not with weed
I guess it depends on how you use it....
often it is not possible to notice that your self got replaced only after stopping the drug use for a while so it took me a few years before I noticed... changed a lot, but not positive changes
but I didn't moderate either...
was that me? holy shit , hope I don't get there again... I bet many daily smokers think like this after quitting
I still like psychedelics, because they don't make me crave more weed always made me crave more next day/changed thoughts next day for the worse after psychedelics I feel renewed energy/motivation, after weed I feel no energy next day and urge to smoke
I respect your opinion, but I must say that many people have past times they can look back on and be all like  . It may not have entirely been the substance, it may have also been immaturity or some other phase you were going through. I certainly feel that way when I look back at my days of heavy drinking.
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yup, weed is just very hard to moderate for a lot of people
50% can control it, 50% can't, it's almost not an exaggeration 
that doesn't mean it should be illegal though.... it has been used medicinally and in many cultures for centuries..
but sure... I didn't moderate my drinking either, could still control it though(didn't drink everyday)
respecting the herb means moderation :-)
it was pretty good at curing headaches, kidney stone pain, helping me play guitar/read etc. just always felt heavy next day... biggest downside and the munchies were a bit too much 
was like drinking 12 beers the night before... skunk I wouldn't recommend very often, too heavy pot/hash is a little bit better IMO... more energy
there is a pretty long hangover with skunk if you smoke a bit just one night of it but it tastes and smells good 
I think I have made my decision, only smoke what your life situation supports :-) had to quit..
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: lessismore]
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yeah the older I get the more I notice the little bit of fogginess in the morning, but for me it's nothing compared to catching an alcohol buzz.
I've had times in my life where I didn't moderate at all, and I've had times where I did.
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You know what? I've smoked every day for the past couple months, multiple times a day. I've already smoked twice today after finishing my classes and work, and I do it for the same reason people play video games, watch movies, and drink beer. I work hard and I should be able to relax for an hour or two.
But, I feel like you've made some very valid points, and I get that moderation is key. So since I plan on getting really fucked up tomorrow between Real Analysis and a glass blowing party, I've decided that tonight, I'm just going to finish my homework, jerk it, and go to sleep sober. Just for perspective.
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Godfather1376 said: It's not even a situation of getting high itself, at least IMO. To me, I get to appreciate the plant, how the final product is, and how it "performs" if that makes sense. It might just be the grower in me, but every time I see a weed I examine the fuck out of it. I'll smell it, looking at the bud structure. If I already know the strain, then I compare it to previous one's I've seen of the same strain.
Growers look for a pleasing phenotype that have qualities they want to reproduce. Different smelling plants, purpling, Indica vs. Sativa, etc. are all nuances that come with the plants. We look at how well it dried/cured and if it burns smoothly.
As for why a person smokes is their own thing to discover. I noticed that when I opened your thread, OP, that although I disagree with you on your stance, I could understand your point of view objectively. To be honest, I think that is what your problem is, to look at it objectively. For me, as I realize more and more, discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe. I like to contemplate on what is in front of me and my thought on it as I feel the first hit or two come over me.
Take this however you will, but just try to not think how it is not of use to you, but how it would be of no use to anyone, objectively. Moderation is an argument worth standing on, but to say marijuana is pointless is an exaggeration.
Yes and no. The utility of the plant really comes down to the subjectivity of the smoker, as does most anything else that we do, but I'm trying to get away from subjectivity because it muddies the waters of absolutely anything and everything we could discuss. You bring up one of the points I'm trying to make when you say that "discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe." See, marijuana is in no way necessary for you to enter into deep thought. You may believe that it enhances your ability to contemplate things, but it's not doing anything for you which you cannot do on your own, and part of growing up and moving on and evolving is realizing this. It's this fallacy that creative-types need to smoke to be, well, creative or that people need to smoke to relax or that you're a cool person because you smoke or whatever else. I mean, what I got out of smoking weed 5+ years ago was good, and I'm glad that I did it. Really, sincerely. I'm not regretful. But at some point you realize that you've gotten what you needed or could get out of it, out of that experience, at which point you lay off of it. And that's where habitual smokers come into it for me, because they keep chuggin' along with weed and feel like they still need it, and fairly often at that. It's almost like some people keep smoking because they're looking for something in that experience that they never really find, because it's not there. To allow the use of marijuana to become a daily routine or become a really significant part of you life really only makes sense if you're managing a chronic condition of some time, and that might be physiological or it might be psychosomatic.
Agreed. I had a friend who thought he was fucking Confucius when he was on weed until I had him write down his little "highdeas" (high-ideas), and read them to him sober. These new-age philosopher assholes who had to repeat American Government really piss me off. I've done physics, written programs, and done proofs while *moderately* high, but talking social theory never turned me (or anyone) into a modern Aristotle. Best case scenario: your friends are too stupid/stoned to notice that you're making an ass of yourself.
But I still enjoy smoking with certain friends. We can have a really nice time playing smash bros sober, but doing it high is nice every once in a while just because it makes everything funnier and it makes my body feel great.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: RaddaRadda]
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Actually it does go both ways. What are you trying to accomplish here?
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Actually it does go both ways. What are you trying to accomplish here?
It doesn't go both ways, bro. It just doesn't. You know, part of this thread is just for me to vent personally, and not about some inadequacy in my own life, but really just because of my views on marijuana that I've not been able to really get out there. Believe it or not, I'm not promoting that no one should ever smoke weed. Well, maybe I am saying that about smoking or inhaling, specifically, but as far as consuming THC is concerned, I'm not putting it down completely. I'm just trying to appeal to the folly of being a habitual user of marijuana, because it's something that gets ignored all too often. I have reached the understanding, and not everyone might get this, that marijuana is an extremely powerful mind-altering substance. It does not get enough credit for how strong it is, even in moderation. That is not a state of consciousness that should or can be trivialized. You're really just doing yourself a disservice. Think about how wonderful and harmless and valuable you find marijuana, and then consider that there are people, like myself, who literally can't stand it. How can that be possible? Am I just a broken person? or could it be the other way around? I don't know man. It's just like, the next time you're about to roll or pack a bowl or whatever, maybe you'll second-guess yourself and say "hey, do I really need this right now?" I'm saying this shit because I care. The real value in a given substance can only be found when you take enough time away from it to be able to appreciate what it does to you, both good and bad.
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Kinda sound like you're just a pussy dude, marijuana is a powerful mind altering substance? i barley get fucked up from weed, all that happens is i feel good, get hungary and eat. Mind altering? have you ever touched mushrooms or opiates? Weed isnt even shit compared to Alcohol. How high does cannabis get you?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
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Weed really fucks up people's enthusiasm in doing things. My friends and I would have started a band by now and been making more music or painting or sculpting or whatever. Just more art in general. So much time has been wasted in my life due to it.
Yet I don't have any problems with weed. Plenty of people waste time without it too, it just so happened to change my personality in that way. I've had lot of great times with marijuana. It's all about choosing good times to smoke and not Smoking too often, which for me is probably like once a week. If I only Smoke weed once a week I get really creative when I smoke it, bit everyday and I'm in a haze.
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Kinda sound like you're just a pussy dude, marijuana is a powerful mind altering substance? i barley get fucked up from weed, all that happens is i feel good, get hungary and eat. Mind altering? have you ever touched mushrooms or opiates? Weed isnt even shit compared to Alcohol. How high does cannabis get you?
You just come across as such as cunt. I'm sorry. I thought people who smoke were supposed to be cool and very...neutral. It's this thing called "self-awareness" that a surprising number of weed-smokers lack. Completely. It's surprising because weed has the capacity to bring you self-awareness, but they just completely miss that facet of the experience. Marijuana alters consciousness is a significant way, but maybe you're just too high all the time to realize it. I've been deeper into the psychosis brought on by psychedelics than you could imagine, but this isn't a pissing contest. If you were aware of your own mind, you would recognize the powerful effects of cannabis. And even alcohol or caffeine for that matter. Yes, drinking caffeinated beverages is a trip, with a come-up, peak, and come-down. But you have to feel it out, because it's rather subtle. And at the point that you actually realize how different substances effect you and the extent of those effects, you may come to understand my point of view a little bit better.
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I hate weed too, although I'm fine with people smoking it if they honestly feel it is beneficial. Honestly being the key word. Check out Graham Hancock's banned TED talk about how it took him a long time to become honest with himself about his own cannabis usage:
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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Its a personal preference. I don't really like LSD all that much (way too long with a horrible body load for me) but I know plenty of people who are madly in love with it.
I smoked weed everyday for the whole of my adult life and accomplished lots of stuff to be proud of (mid 20s now).
However, I am almost 2 months into quitting it and plan to never smoke again as was starting to get expensive, could no longer get high only stoned and found day to day living more of challenge.
I don't blame weed for this at all, for some people it can be part of their lives for as long as they want but I got to a point where it no longer had a place in mine.
That said, had a used alcohol in the same way I have used weed I would be totally fucked right now so weed is an extremely forgiving drug in some aspects of addiction, but still addictive.
I will never understand how anyone can say anything isn't addictive for some people. I have been on tramadol for many month before and coming off that for me was easily on par with the difficultly I found quitting cannabis. Any behaviour you enjoy can be addictive, I mean I seriously don't get the appeal of betting but it can mess whole lives up, with no limit of the money you can spend on it....
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Chilled]
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If I have a small puff I'm fine and happy, if I take two massive drags, my night is ruined, I get really sick and anxious. It's very easy for me to OD on weed, so I prefer to avoid it.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Fungi]
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I didn't read all of these posts. But I did read the first one and a couple.
This is what I have to say. I have never smoked marijuana frivolously. I smoke it maybe once or twice a year. And I should say that it might not be as intense as mushrooms or other psychedelics, but it has potential. Especially when mixed with meditation. It often yields social insights for me, like realizing the state of another person whereas I would entirely miss it. But when I meditate it is quite different, it has proven itself to me to both be capable of creating closed-eye visuals and a loss of body awareness. But I should say that a loss of body awareness can also be achieved through meditation alone, but marijuana makes it easy, and almost unavoidable for me.
So its preference and the person themselves and their mind. If you have brain damaged yourself through huge trips and meditated the hell out of yourself, then marijuana is going to be drastically different and potentially enlightening.
Edit: After realizing what you are saying, that marijuana isn't trivial, maybe my post is now useless. haha. I actually agree that marijuana is probably best not used as a daily crutch. I don't do it, and have never actually wanted to do it.
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Dude I dunno what your problem is but let everyone decide for themselves what they do or don't do. I can’t understand why you worry about such small unimportant things. Better take that time in doing something productive.
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Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother.
This may be the most hipster post I've ever read on the shroomery. I don't like weed because everybody uses it? Really?! Fucking lame.
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Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother.
This may be the most hipster post I've ever read on the shroomery. I don't like weed because everybody uses it? Really?! Fucking lame. 
You really didn't read into that statement at all, did you? But I don't need to interpret it for you. Nah. How high were you when you read that? Go fuck yourself.
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different scenes for different genes man
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: V1rusH0st]
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I didn't read the whole thread but has anyone posted the Carl Sagan essay on marijuana? 
Probably won't change your mind op, nothing wrong with that, but he makes a good case for the mj
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The only problem I know about marijuana is that you need to smoke it with people to know the kind of people that have good drugs. Mj is the boringest of all drugs, but is still the gatway to cool people that have better stuff.
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Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother.
This may be the most hipster post I've ever read on the shroomery. I don't like weed because everybody uses it? Really?! Fucking lame. 
You really didn't read into that statement at all, did you? But I don't need to interpret it for you. Nah. How high were you when you read that? Go fuck yourself.
Easy killer. Not all people that smoke weed are high 24/7, your just really into broad generalizations. That's okay though man your still young. Maybe you should look a little harder though before you decide that most people who smoke pot have to smoke it all day every day. Again your fucking 22, wait till you get older. You'd be really surprised to know how many successful people are going to be somewhere around you high, and you'd probly not know it.  Get used to it buddy, weed has fought to beat years of persecution back and its not gonna be going away anytime soon.
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A lot of differing opinions have come out in this thread, but with little evidence that could actually change a person's mind.
It's funny to me when an anti-stoner pops up and just doesn't get that to the stoners, their point is a joke because everything they say is so harsh and judgmental.
One thing that I've seen cannabis give to a lot of people is the beginnings of an open heart. It doesn't seem to do much good for their thinking capacity and memory, though - at least not when used with any frequency. Carl Sagan was an infrequent low-dose user of cannabis by his own [extremely candid, anonymous] description. In that setting it seems to have very interesting effects on one's creative process.
As a person who's smoked plenty of cannabis and no longer has any interest in it outside of the rare low-dose, I don't think any good will come of holding on to strong distaste for cannabis or people who use it. Stoners have some wisdom to offer you; if you can soften your heart and let go of your aggression you'll probably have some wisdom to offer them, too.
Maybe a puff of cannabis would help. ^_^ (couldn't resist, haha)
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: hmmn]
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angry much OP? haha So you don't like weed . . . and wut? On the sliding scale of multiple branches its pretty benign compared to meth, crack, heroin, mushrooms and lsd. Compared to its potential effect most use it in a manner similar to coffee which is actually more physically addicting and lethal at a far smaller ratio/ld-50 compared to an active dose. heat up a 1/8 of good hash or BHO till it activates for oral consumption and see what it'll do to you.
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un-known-ome said: Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.
hey there kiddo.
have a seat.
let me tell you a secret about the universe.
nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.
and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ellis Dee said: The only problem I know about marijuana is that you need to smoke it with people to know the kind of people that have good drugs. Mj is the boringest of all drugs, but is still the gatway to cool people that have better stuff.
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Despite what you say, marijuana is still a mild psychedelic. Psychedelic literally means "clear mind."
You can DEFINITELY use marijuana to understand your flaws, to figure out what aspects of your life you need to improve, and so forth. Just because certain stoners may use marijuana to simply enjoy music and munch on some junk food doesn't mean the experience can't be spiritual, deep, or meaningful. I introduced my friend to a bomb sativa strain, keep in mind this was his first time smoking, and he couldn't stop talking about how much he learnt from his trip. His views on culture, modern values, and so forth drastically changed in a positive, Buddhist-like way.
I feel like there's two categories of drug users: people who just want to get fucked up in the craziest ways possible and people who want to expand their minds by experiencing altered states of consciousness. It's not the drugs, it's you.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
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un-known-ome said: Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.
hey there kiddo.
have a seat.
let me tell you a secret about the universe.
nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.
and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.
Holy crud. That is such hippy-dippee BS. Can you talk like, idk, regular mortals would?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: hmmn]
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hmmn said: A lot of differing opinions have come out in this thread, but with little evidence that could actually change a person's mind.
It's funny to me when an anti-stoner pops up and just doesn't get that to the stoners, their point is a joke because everything they say is so harsh and judgmental.
One thing that I've seen cannabis give to a lot of people is the beginnings of an open heart. It doesn't seem to do much good for their thinking capacity and memory, though - at least not when used with any frequency. Carl Sagan was an infrequent low-dose user of cannabis by his own [extremely candid, anonymous] description. In that setting it seems to have very interesting effects on one's creative process.
As a person who's smoked plenty of cannabis and no longer has any interest in it outside of the rare low-dose, I don't think any good will come of holding on to strong distaste for cannabis or people who use it. Stoners have some wisdom to offer you; if you can soften your heart and let go of your aggression you'll probably have some wisdom to offer them, too.
Maybe a puff of cannabis would help. ^_^ (couldn't resist, haha)
Stoners don't have any wisdom to give out. It's stupid stuff like this that rubs me the wrong way. You're just getting high, and that's it. That's all you're doing. You're not becoming one with the universe. If you think you are, you've smoked too much. The best thing about marijuana legalization will be that no one will care about weed anymore. I look forward to that day. If you like getting high, that's fine, just remember that no one cares.
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You'll only get out of it what you use it for.
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un-known-ome said: Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.
hey there kiddo.
have a seat.
let me tell you a secret about the universe.
nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.
and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.
Holy crud. That is such hippy-dippee BS. Can you talk like, idk, regular mortals would?
nice straw man argument
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
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un-known-ome said: Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.
hey there kiddo.
have a seat.
let me tell you a secret about the universe.
nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.
and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.
Holy crud. That is such hippy-dippee BS. Can you talk like, idk, regular mortals would?
nice straw man argument
If you can't understand his "hippy-dippee bs" then how about it said this way. Nothing has a specific value. The value of an object is only determined by the person giving it the value. A pair of glasses might mean nothing to someone, but if sentimental value is placed upon it, it means something very important to someone. Saying that your lack of value placed in marijuana is what it should be for everyone is liken to saying everyone should share your opinion, which is egocentric.
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I think marijuana is one of the most dangerous drugs not because of health risks but because many people believe that it is benign. Like anything in excess it can have bad consequences, it helped me through one of the worst periods of my life but I was caught in the grips of addiction and only recently managed to break free. To anyone who denies marijuana is addictive you are blind. I know allot of people who have been dependant on marijuana and I have personally experienced cravings and withdrawals. That being said, in moderation there are no serious health risks unless you have a predisposition.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ilift]
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I think one of the most retarded things about pot culture is the completely unnecessary obsession with getting as much smoke into your lungs at one time, as forcefully as possible. You see people turn red from coughing after taking some of these hits...it can't be healthy for the lungs. And yeah, I'm guilty of once participating in said activity, but realize it is still retarded.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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honestly the whole stoner culture is retarded imo .
at least the one im surrounded by, It's basically you are pussy if you can't smoke a shit ton really fast in large hits. Not a lot of people like getting that high and its obvious that it's uncomfortable
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Personally I don't like doing any drug very often (ie every day), as I really enjoy my sober mind quite a bit. The world is full of stuff I want to do for which being sober is pretty much the way to go. But I absolutely love smoking MJ now and then and I tend to agree with the Leary/Wilson's designation of marijuana as an activator of hedonistic consciousness/aesthetic physical ecstacy (from their work on the 8-circuits model of human consciousness). It's definitely a very powerful substance, in some ways perhaps more so than 'real psychedelics'. Some of my personal most crazy and memorable epiphanies happened after smoking.
Description of the "5th circuit" of consciousness associated with marijuana (among other things) http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm
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V. THE NEUROSOMATIC CIRCUIT When this fifth "body-brain" is activated, flat Euclidean figure-ground configurations explode multi-dimensionally. Gestalts shift, in McLuhan's terms, from linear VISUAL SPACE to all-encompassing SENSORY SPACE. A hedonic turn-on occurs, a rapturous amusement, a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits. I turned this circuit on with pot and Tantra.
This fifth brain began to appear about 4,000 years ago in the first leisure-class civilizations and has been increasing statistically in recent centuries (even before the Drug Revolution), a fact demonstrated by the hedonic art of India, China, Rome and other affluent societies. More recently, Ornstein and his school have demonstrated with electroencephalograms that this circuit represents the first jump from the linear left lobe of the brain to the analogical right lobe.
The opening and imprinting of this circuit has been the preoccupation of "technicians of the occult"—Tantric shamans and hatha yogis. While the fifth tunnel-reality can be achieved by sensory deprivation, social isolation, physiological stress or severe shock (ceremonial terror tactics, as practiced by such rascal-gurus as Don Juan Matus or Aleister Crowley), it has traditionally been reserved to the educated aristocracy of leisure societies who have solved the four terrestrial survival problems.
About 20,000 years ago, the specific fifth brain neurotransmitter was discovered by shamans in the Caspian Sea area of Asia and quickly spread to other wizards throughout Eurasia and Africa. It is, of course, cannabis. Weed. Mother Mary Jane.
It is no accident that the pot-head generally refers to his neural state as "high" or "spaced-out." The transcendence of gravitational, digital, linear, either-or, Aristotelian, Newtonian, Euclidean, planetary orientations (circuits I-IV) is, in evolutionary perspective, part of our neurological preparation for the inevitable migration off our home planet, now beginning. This is why so many pot-heads are STAR TREK freaks and science fiction adepts. (Berkeley, California, certainly the Cannabis Capital of the U.S., has a Federation Trading Post on Telegraph Avenue, where the well-heeled can easily spend $500 or more in a single day, buying STAR TREK novels, magazines, newsletters, bumper stickers, photographs, posters, tapes, etc., including even complete blueprints for the starship ENTERPRISE.)
The extraterrestrial meaning of being "high" is confirmed by astronauts themselves; 85% of those who have entered the free-fall zero gravity describe "mystic experiences" or rapture states typical of the neurosomatic circuit. "No photo can show how beautiful Earth looked," raves Captain Ed Mitchell, describing his Illumination in free-fall. He sounds like any successful yogi or pot-head. No camera can show this experience because it is inside the nervous system.
FREE-FALL, AT THE PROPER EVOLUTIONARY TIME, TRIGGERS THE NEUROSOMATIC MUTATION, Leary believes. Previously this mutation has been achieved "artificially" by yogic or shamanic training or by the fifth circuit stimulant, cannabis. Surfing, skiing, skin-diving and the new sexual culture (sensuous massage, vibrators, imported Tantric arts, etc.) have evolved at the same time as part of the hedonic conquest of gravity. The Turn-On state is always described as "floating," or, in the Zen metaphor, "one foot above the ground."
btw with regards to my mention of the leary/wilson model, take it for what it is, a cool, poetic, alternative way of thinking about the mind and drugs, not for it's historical accuracy or scientific legitimacy.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: husmmoor]
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im glad i smoke pot. i wouldnt want to be bitter and boring like the anti stoners.
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I agree, husmmoor, it is extremely powerful. I can honestly say I have never felt more lost or disoriented on ANY drug than marijuana. On DMT or mushrooms, I sit back and enjoy tripping my ass off. On a high dose of pot, I get stuck in thought loops, get extremely paranoid, hallucinate, and feel completely powerless.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ilift]
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Ilift said: ...To anyone who denies marijuana is addictive you are blind. I know allot of people who have been dependant on marijuana and I have personally experienced cravings and withdrawals...
Care to describe your withdrawal symptoms?
I find it hard to believe anyone is physically dependent on cannabis.
I smoked cannabis daily for 7 years and quitting was easy for me. The most noticeable "withdrawal" symptom was that my dreams became emotionally intense for about 3-5 days. Having been actually physically addicted to other substances I honestly believe cannabis created no physical dependency for me. Quitting nicotine was 1000 times worse (insomnia, depression) and codeine was even more so (insomnia, intense physical pain lasting 3+ days).
I understand that psychological addictions can be powerful, but really, people struggling with that just need to find something constructive into which they can divert their energy.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Libertin]
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The withdrawals weren't bad, but they were there. It varies from person to person some people can handle themselves some people can't.. I couldn't. I have a friend who can smoke all break long (cigarettes) and quit before class. It depends on the person however the only physical withdrawal symptoms I got were loss of appetite. The main thing is that it's illegal kids aren't smoking the natural stuff grown outdoors with lower thc and balanced CBD ratios like years ago, they get hydro from bikies pumped with chemicals that fucks you out of your mind. I smoked it again recently after quitting and frankly I just felt so stupid I couldn't comprehend the conversation I guess marijuana wasn't for me however if you find it doesn't create major problems in your life nor detracts from your sanity than I don't think smoking like one would drink alchohol is a bad idea
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ilift]
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pot is good for you it cures cancer dont be such a poonneenee
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: bourgasm]
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Im a massive cannabis advocate....BUUUUT!!....people who smoke lots of THC can suffer from something called Cannabinoid Hyperemisis syndrome.
"characterized by recurrent nausea, vomiting and colicky abdominal pain...Usually experienced just after waking up in the morning."
I know i experience that on a mild level every day and eat less because i feel like hell. I guess it makes sense since im usually dabing around a gram a day.
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I don't know what id do without it. Sucks for you man
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: funkerdslr]
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The THC to CBD ratio in modern cannabis is all fucked up. Talking about it as if it is the same thing that has existed for decades is like extolling the virtues of a vegetable-rich diet, and then, suddenly in your discourse, interchanging it with "vegetable-scarce diet". The effect of the plant smoked today is completely different than what was smoked 30-40 years ago. Plants have been genetically bred for high THC content while CBD has been largely ignored. To see the difference in effect that CBD makes, watch the last 8 minutes of this video:
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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At least now there are breeders coming out with CBD dominant strains now. Now we have high THC/low CBD strains and ones opposite to that.
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Yeah, that's good. I would really like to try one of those high CBD strains.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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I think this thread is littered with stereotyping, name-calling, and fluffy transparent arguments for either side. Although many people are throwing out good arguments every now and then, most are ad hominem and seem to just attack specific posters or "the stoner culture."
Either way, I still got a giggle out of reading some of these pages.
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I can relate to this with psychedelics some times, and I used to feel this way about marijuana when i first started smoking. These feelings stemmed from people not accepting my desire to experiment and thus I felt guilty and "self loathing" as you put it.
Maybe you should smoke weed again and when you get that feeling, just smoke right on through it. Have you ever tried dabbing?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: MindDrips]
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Our collective has been a member of Project CBDlink here and have been primarily breeding >1% THC strains in our garden. Most notably Harlequin Tsunami and Cannatonic which are generally 11-25% total CBD/N. I can't even begin to tell you how many patients we've saved from the brink of death with this stuff. We currently supply 6 children in Ventura county with these CBD extracts to treat their GM seizures. This stuff is really saving lives people.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: funkerdslr]
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What exactly do you mean by your collective? Like a dispensary or something?
Have you tried those CBD strains yourself? Do you notice a significant difference in the quality of the psychoactive effect?
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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The best part of waking up is chronic in your cup!
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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The quality of the psychoactive effect is much less, but it still gets you high. I don't like the mostly thc dominant strains either. There is a happy medium. My brother gets cbd for his seizures and it works quite well, so I defiantly don't buy strains like harlequin to get high anymore...
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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I mostly agree with the OP, there's some unecessary adjectives around the logic but I mostly agree with the core point which I think is what I have observed too: Weed gives you delusions, delusions that you can work better, delusions of granduer, delusions to prop you up like a crutch instead of dealing with problems. Laziness and lethargy- which can be enjoyable to some but not for chaps like me. This is too often the case with many drugs, however mushrooms for me are very different, giving both the above effects and greater perspective (ego death) from loss of pre-conceptions and psychological barriers due to decreased brain function. Also I just like the general effects of mushrooms better I won't get into the science here because google it, or duck duck go it, or whatever, I'm no expert, get your info from an expert
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said: The THC to CBD ratio in modern cannabis is all fucked up. Talking about it as if it is the same thing that has existed for decades is like extolling the virtues of a vegetable-rich diet, and then, suddenly in your discourse, interchanging it with "vegetable-scarce diet". The effect of the plant smoked today is completely different than what was smoked 30-40 years ago. Plants have been genetically bred for high THC content while CBD has been largely ignored. To see the difference in effect that CBD makes, watch the last 8 minutes of this video:
Good info, I watched the part you advised. It explains a lot. I think I enjoyed the schwag I smoked as a kid much more than the dank stuff I get today for the reason of CBD to THC. For years I convinced myself I just wasen't getting as high from the schwag, but I know I did and I smoked a ton more to get that high and it was a lot more fun and not edgy and paranoid at all. The stuff that I can get now that takes a hit or two just has a crappy high compared to the good old schwag because there's no cbd in the mix. I feel enlightened now that I understand.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ellis Dee]
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holy shit, someone was fucking bored when they made this thread.
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Stoners don't have any wisdom to give out. It's stupid stuff like this that rubs me the wrong way. You're just getting high, and that's it. That's all you're doing. You're not becoming one with the universe. If you think you are, you've smoked too much. The best thing about marijuana legalization will be that no one will care about weed anymore. I look forward to that day. If you like getting high, that's fine, just remember that no one cares.
oy you're nitpicking, because you don't get the same effect as some people do. not everyone gets effected the same way from a drug. weed helps me with depression and i don't use it all the time, because i don't have it all the time... i take a break every week or so... but when i have it i smoke it alot, because i makes me feel like it gives this meaningless life more meaning then a simple run outside or trying to be "productive". alot of my internal productiveness comes out of being high, alot of understanding and wisdom. without weed, i'd just be doing a whole lot, without thinking about it. people have different uses for weed; and just because you feel like all you do is "get high and roll around in your own sputum" doesn't mean that's what it does for everyone. you need to get off your high horse; because you're completely misunderstanding the point of why people use drugs in the first place. there is a certain set of effects from certain drugs, weed however is just a subtle psychedelic and pain reliever. it's not even that harmful... in fact, the notion that weed is harmful, is only for those who smoke it and can't function... if that's you, then don't smoke it. it's not good FOR YOU... and hate all you want, too, but don't hate on people for their personal choices.
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Ilift said: I think marijuana is one of the most dangerous drugs not because of health risks but because many people believe that it is benign. Like anything in excess it can have bad consequences, it helped me through one of the worst periods of my life but I was caught in the grips of addiction and only recently managed to break free. To anyone who denies marijuana is addictive you are blind. I know allot of people who have been dependant on marijuana and I have personally experienced cravings and withdrawals. That being said, in moderation there are no serious health risks unless you have a predisposition.
ahhh, how is this retarded rhetoric spreading? oh yeah, stupidity. it's the most harmful drug because people think it's benign? ahaha, no one thinks that. stop. please, get some sense people.
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way to smoke too much. why don't you try just sticking a small bowl in a pipe and just leave it at a hit or so.
smoking too much is like doing too much shrooms without expecting to be blow you out into the universe. set your limits.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Marijuana alters consciousness is a significant way, but maybe you're just too high all the time to realize it
WTF? that's the point, to alter your consciousness? is this dude serious? ahhh, i can't imagine what this guys problem is. what's with the ad nauseam attacks? do you realize how YOU'RE acting?
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Weed really fucks up people's enthusiasm in doing things. My friends and I would have started a band by now and been making more music or painting or sculpting or whatever. Just more art in general. So much time has been wasted in my life due to it.
that sucks bro. it did the same thing to my friends... my best friend constantly acknowledges this, and he's stopped smoking weed as often because of this. he only smokes on occasion now. which fixes his lack of enthusiasm; which to clarify, actually came from OUR OTHER friends lack of enthusiasm. since he stopped smoking weed so much, he's been hanging out less with the people who do, hence, he feels alot better about using it on the odd occasion.
me however, feel more enthusiastic even more then usual to make music, i never get high and get lazy. ever. i get high and i bounce off the walls with excitement... otherwise, when i am not high, i am much more level headed; but also alot less happy and more set in stone.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Yea... If you don't like then don't smoke. Simple enough for you, bud?
And I don't. That's not simple enough, though. I know I'm not alone on this. I know it. As someone who is very observant about human behavior, I see the hypocrisy that's inherent the a lot of people's use of marijuana. It's there, whether or not you see it. Surely it doesn't go unnoticed by more people. Posting in this community is definitely barking up the wrong tree, but that's partly why I'm doing it: to get people's attention. If it's been a month since you last used marijuana and you feel like it would really do you some good, then you have a healthy, balanced relationship with it. But who uses it that judiciously? Anyone?
you experience alot of inner city/suburbian kiddies being stupid and you base your whole world view on that; not to mention your views on pot; which is pretty funny. your experience dictates your reality... not everyone elses. plus, there alot of kids your age, who are dumb. feel good that you are smarter then them, but you saying all weed smokers are lying about how they feel and how it effects them in their lives, is just ludicrous. you can't possibly know any of that. man. it's been fun reading this thread, and seeing how you can be discredited in just about everything you've said here. but i gotta run. i don't have the willpower to sit through another post of yours in this thread; although hysterical it might be; you are railing against idiots, not stoners. or stoner idiots, if you'd prefer.
which has less to do with how weed effects people, and more to do with your peers and wherever the hell you live, and who YOU hang around. lot of idiots out there; i'd recommend you stay away from them, if you don't wanna become a cynical jerk spreading rhetoric about your experience dictating the reality of everyone else's life on this planet. you'd make a good politician. you should run someday, you could make some good money.
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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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not the reputation. the use of it.
people can use it, and function normally. people who can't function normally on it, shouldn't use it for that reason, solely. not because they feel it makes people "act differently and/or stupidly"; but just because they don't get anything useful out of it. you can not smoke it, or you can smoke it; either way, what you DO doesn't actually get effected by the reputation of it... it either doesn't change how you're doing whatever, and you're simply doing whatever but you're doing but "high"... or it does, and in that case it's not because of any "reputation" it has, but only what effects it has on you, personally. if it changes your personality, then you're missing the point of using it. because weed can hardly change anything in you, really... it might make your thinking foggy or undisciplined, but that's because of the effect it has on YOU. i'd reason that it's because you really are thinking that way, usually, and if you're sober you can adjust how much effort you put into adjusting your thinking. you can also do that high, it's just more difficult for YOU, because you already have this "issue" originally.
if that wasn't what YOU did, originally, then you could do what you do, just the same ON Cannabis. other then the obvious physical effects, nothing in your mental acquisition and aptitude changes while high,... you could be tired, but that's probably because you're tired OR it could be because you're pie eyed, and you smoked too much for your own personal endeavors. it's not like there is any force and prevalence of effects that forces you to be lazy, tired, sick, sore... Cannabis exemplifies these "issues" because they are already there, and are making them more obvious.
it works outwardly too, so when you see people acting "different" it's because that's how they would truly act or be.
if you ARE FUCKED if you smoke weed, then you shouldn't use it, because it's not good for YOU. it's not because Cannabis MADE you that way, it's because you are choosing to be that way; and Cannabis makes that a lot easier for you to do.
EDIT: you can use Cannabis based on what the reputation YOU think it has, but you'd be investing in a reputation that YOU GAVE IT. not one that it has, solely by it's own regard... because Cannabis does alot of different thinks for different people. the only actual physical effects it has on people is 1: hunger 2: pain relief 3: and red puffy eyes; and if you're smoking it 4: coughing.
PS: my emotional investment in anything, is none of your concern, unless i am personally effecting your wellbeing.
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i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
try again^ what are we missing, exactly, that other people have but Cannabis users don't.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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I just start to get annoyed with marijuana when my tolerance gets so high so easily. That's what pisses me off the most.
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Have you tried those CBD strains yourself? Do you notice a significant difference in the quality of the psychoactive effect?
I run the extraction branch of a collective in california. For the past year or so we've been heavily experimenting with breeding and extracting high CBD plants/medicine. Also, we've been experimenting with the oral bioactivity of CBD vs CBDA vs CBN. Our findings suggest that having the carboxylic acid group attached causes the CBD to act as a strong antiproliferative and antiinflamitory. CBDA is only active orally, since heating it causes the CooH to release causing it to degrade to CBD. This is good if you want to treat seizure syndromes like dravets syndrome, which is only controlled by CBD and not CBDA. Its true that CBD/A isn't psychoactive to the extent THC is, but if you take a dab of 70% CBD BHO, you'll feel very relaxed. I can attribute it to feeling like taking half a xanax.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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How does this conversation affect your personal use of cannabis? Seems to me you came here to defend its reputation. You are putting it on a massive pedestal, implying it only brings out one's true qualities, and directly stating that nothing in your mental aptitude changes while high. That just isn't true. Look at how people perform on driving tests or short term memory tests when stoned. Obviously there are some hindrances to your abilities. And that's fine, I don't care if people get fucked up once in a while. But I don't think it's anything to praise either.
Look, this conversation has been pretty casual. We could just as well be talking about how we hate asparagus and how it makes your pee smell bad. Who cares.
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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.
for one
the reputation of cannabis causes otherwise innocent human beings to be locked in cages, have their children taken from them, their property forfeited.
the fact that people arent emotional about this is really sad
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Have you tried those CBD strains yourself? Do you notice a significant difference in the quality of the psychoactive effect?
I run the extraction branch of a collective in california. For the past year or so we've been heavily experimenting with breeding and extracting high CBD plants/medicine. Also, we've been experimenting with the oral bioactivity of CBD vs CBDA vs CBN. Our findings suggest that having the carboxylic acid group attached causes the CBD to act as a strong antiproliferative and antiinflamitory. CBDA is only active orally, since heating it causes the CooH to release causing it to degrade to CBD. This is good if you want to treat seasure syndromes like dravets syndrome, which is only controlled by CBD and not CBDA. Its true that CBD/A isn't psychoactive to the extent THC is, but if you take a dab of 70% CBD BHO, you'll feel very relaxed. I can attribute it to feeling like taking half a xanax.
That sounds like a pretty cool job. Really interesting.
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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.
for one
the reputation of cannabis causes otherwise innocent human beings to be locked in cages, have their children taken from them, their property forfeited.
the fact that people arent emotional about this is really sad 
Well, that's somewhat true. But not totally, as most Americans favor legalization of cannabis, yet it remains illegal. I don't think the average person really has such a warped view of what it does. I don't think it helps anything to launch into a 3 page diatribe towards someone who says they don't like something about pot.
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Well, that's somewhat true. But not totally, as most Americans favor legalization of cannabis, yet it remains illegal. I don't think the average person really has such a warped view of what it does. I don't think it helps anything to launch into a 3 page diatribe towards someone who says they don't like something about pot.
people seem to want to be in favor of legalization, because they want to give in and just let the notion that Marijuana is "harmless" be true, for an experiment, more then anything.
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bradley said: How does this conversation affect your personal use of cannabis? Seems to me you came here to defend its reputation. You are putting it on a massive pedestal, implying it only brings out ones true qualities, and directly stating that nothing in your mental aptitude changes while high. That just isn't true. Look at how people perform on driving tests or short term memory tests when stoned. Obviously there are some hindrances to your abilities. And that's fine, I don't care if people get fucked up once in a while. But I don't think it's anything to praise either.
Look, this conversation has been pretty casual. We could just as well be talking about how we hate asparagus and how it makes your pee smell bad. Who cares.
again, saying that i am defending it's reputation is where you are wrong.
i'm saying that Marijuana can't be held up to scrutiny solely from an aspect of what it does to you physically. it's a mild psychedelic. it does alot of different things for different people; which can't all be can't be generally attributed to every single person.
if your aptitude for driving is impaired, you are LETTING YOURSELF either not take what you're doing seriously, or you are too relaxed or too pie-eyed to concentrate. these physical attributes are the only things i can see, that would have a usual and general effect on anyone and everyone who uses it... but this can all be attributed to being too high for your own good; by smoking way too much of it; to be driving or doing whatever is being effected by your judgment.
it doesn't actually do anything to slow nervous transmission in your CNS; or even the Hippocampus... it actually speeds it up, which causes a paradoxical effect of things seeming "slower" or "more elongated".
it's not a matter of your judgement "being inebriated" but your actions showing your intentions on being more high then you can function on.
it's stupid but it's not because of Marijuana... it's because you used too much, or use it too much; and that's on the individual, not on the drug.
THAT'S what's stupid.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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no argument. i'll presume that's because you're high, bro.
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it's a mild psychedelic.
this is how I feel about weed and how it should be treated. I don't think it should be used all day every day
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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it's a mild psychedelic.
this is how I feel about weed and how it should be treated. I don't think it should be used all day every day
exactly^ i think people who smoke too much weed all the time, are being foolish because the intent shouldn't be on simply "being high", but on visiting or re-visiting a headspace which allows for certain things to be envisioned or thought of "differently".
or... in the odd occasions, to be relaxed while stressed, or to increase the sensation of eating, listening to music, reading, studying, ect ect...
but if you use it all the time for anyone of THOSE things, you'll get used to doing it when you don't need to do it; because those things are obviously favorable in the short term, then being active and being productive, and you can get pulled into doing things in the short term too often and too much. which is obvious why too... because one would be expecting to be high all the time. no one should, unless you're not like me (i like handiwork but i don't like going out of my way to do it) and you're the type of person who is constantly active, because it makes you feel better, or because you are driven personally to be as active as you can. which is a good thing... for someone who thinks like that. (i like being reserved and calm and content; high or no high)
not everybody does, though. i think it's certainly too easy for people to go "oh weed is completely harmless!" because of certain reasons that don't hold up to any rational discourse... such as "it's just a plant" or "it's sacred medicine!" and stuff like that. those "reasons" (which are irrational) provide for people to state some obviously erroneous things, as if they're true. that's a problem just the same, as someone who thinks that because they know one or two or five people or ten people or whatever, that "screwed up their life" or "are unmotivated or boring", that they are the typical Cannabis user, and that all Cannabis users must exhibit the same erroneous behavior, and don't know it themselves because they're high, or justifying their use to themselves; calling it self-medication.
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LOL, the stoned look is kind of a joke though.
PS: i'm not stoned right now, i am sober. if i was high i wouldn't be so hard headed, right now.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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I've had some good experiences with pot, too. And honestly all of this talk kind of has me wanting to try a bowl.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said: I've had some good experiences with pot, too. And honestly all of this talk kind of has me wanting to try a bowl.
lol, mission accomplished, you could say... hehe
you know i come off as more of a hard head when i'm sober; i wish i had a bowl right now too. oh well, i'll probably get some sooner or later, but i'm taking a couple weeks break from now, because i don't wanna go through the trouble of picking any up.
*takes bite of burger* and i just made a tasty burger, so i'm good now anyways.
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un-known-ome said: I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?"
I can relate to this with psychedelics some times, and I used to feel this way about marijuana when i first started smoking. These feelings stemmed from people not accepting my desire to experiment and thus I felt guilty and "self loathing" as you put it.
Maybe you should smoke weed again and when you get that feeling, just smoke right on through it. Have you ever tried dabbing?
I have tried, yes. The thing about that is the reason WHY I'm filled with regret and loathing, is because I can't get around the plain truth of getting high. You know that self-examination bit that some people like to bring up? It's like getting high, examining yourself, and realizing you shouldn't be high, ironically. But that's what it is. And I understand that marijuana affects some people differently, as I would expect it to, but I actually used to get along with it just fine. It was an experimental phase. There's nothing in particular that happened to me to make me have such an issue with it, but rather it was a bunch of different things that added up. But I can honestly say that for all of those times I got high, I got nothing out of it. Nothing. It would have made no difference in my life, most likely. And at some point, I realized that it's not a path I needed to go down again. I felt like I saw it for what it was. I don't know.
I know my conviction rubs some people the wrong way, but at least I'm not leaving anything on the table. As someone who greatly appreciates the psychedelic experience, a big issue with marijuana is finding the context to do it, because it's very obvious to me that there isn't a respect for context at all. I mean, I had a pair of friends come over Friday, and they were wondering if I'd want to hang out on Saturday, order pizza and watch Doctor Who and get high and drink, and I think that was the fastest I'd ever declined to hang out with them. I mean it just sounded awful, and I know that it would have been. First of all, I need new friends, but secondly, that's the context for a lot of marijuana use. And I'm sorry that that plays into a common stereotype, but god damn can stereotypes be true. But even if we look past that, what's the context? And remember, when I or anyone else makes a generalization, it doesn't apply to everyone, but rather the 90-95% or so. Can't account for everyone, and I don't intend to. If you're the exception to everything I'm saying, either you're very special or you're not being honest with yourself.
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anne halonium said: im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
I don't think pot is the boogieman. Rather, I think it's like the quasi-friend that you really don't like but who you haven't dropped yet and just fucks up everything you do and sucks to be around.
Have fun vaping and being too cool for people like myself, who could totally voluntarily use a vaporizer too and get as high as they want but who choose not to because they are totally comfortable with being sober at any given moment in time.
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that sucks^
but that's why you drop him, and tell him that if you're not on weed, you're a better friend, then when you are on weed.
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If you're the exception to everything I'm saying, either you're very special or you're not being honest with yourself.
or one is just not doing what you're saying (sitting around watching TV, playing Nintendo, and sitting around in general; while getting high)
people do plenty of other things then the stereotypical couch locked stoner. people exercise, write, play music, do things around the house like cleaning, go into town or downtown and shop, meet up with people and bike/skate/walk around and find stuff to do, study, do work; labor or otherwise... alot more then just the stereotypes. SURE they can be true... but not for all people who smoke weed.
it's an faulty syllogism to say that all people who smoke weed are stoners, because not all people who smoke weed are "stoners".
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anne halonium said: im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
No one here thinks that.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
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anne halonium said: im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
No one here thinks that.
you cant use real words with that one. good luck though.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.
for one
the reputation of cannabis causes otherwise innocent human beings to be locked in cages, have their children taken from them, their property forfeited.
the fact that people arent emotional about this is really sad 
Am I seeing this correctly? Akira_Akuma and k00laid actually spouting positive language via shroomery!?!?! never thought id see the day! keep it guys, these noobs need to know!
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Imma just jump in here and say that after reading nothing but the OP and a few other posts, this thread sucks.
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You can think what you want and have your own opinion but this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance or something. Just because I use a drug differently than you and people fit shitty stereotypes doesn't mean jack or jill. Just because you think weed should be used occasionally and like shrooms doesn't mean someone who wants to be a lazy stoner is lower or wrong. bunch of judgemental drug users posting all up in here!!!
If I could I would smoke all day everyday. First because I like being high and I'm in a better mood. It actually helps with my seizures. It takes me away from conspiracy theories and watching the gubment. Takes the monotony out of daily cleaning and shit.
I get worse side effects from my coffee addiction.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Smeagol]
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Smeagol said: this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance
i suspect a good portion of them are $10 an hour computer bank shills, likely in a mid western impoverished area. operated by a conseravative think tank , likely funded by pharma and alch industries.
it would be pretty easy to cross reference and ban these paid propagandists.
only the most cynical and desperate minds would get on a grow forum, and rehash the talking points of a failed prohibition on pot.
for those who took the shill job for extra money for their kids, im sorry, but you need to set a better example. after all , your kids are gonna grow up, in a world where pot is legal.
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i suspect a good portion of them are $10 an hour computer bank shills, likely in a mid western impoverished area. operated by a conseravative think tank , likely funded by pharma and alch industries.
it would be pretty easy to cross reference and ban these paid propagandists.
only the most cynical and desperate minds would get on a grow forum, and rehash the talking points of a failed prohibition on pot.
for those who took the shill job for extra money for their kids, im sorry, but you need to set a better example. after all , your kids are gonna grow up, in a world where pot is legal.
conspiracy forum is over there darling.
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naturally , your training is to claim everything you disagree with a conspiracy.
fact is , the anti weed peeps lost the war. and most of you are earning your check, poisoning the well on behalf of some conservative dark money foundation.
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re-read the thread honey.
im totally anti-weed.
and if there are internet shills, it's a conspiracy.
go to dictionary.com and look up "conspiracy"
when i use the word conspiracy i dont mean "fake"
i actually mean conspiracy.
plenty of conspiracies turned out to be true.
shills may be one of them.
but it's still a conspiracy.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
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Smeagol said: this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance
i suspect a good portion of them are $10 an hour computer bank shills, likely in a mid western impoverished area. operated by a conseravative think tank , likely funded by pharma and alch industries.
it would be pretty easy to cross reference and ban these paid propagandists.
only the most cynical and desperate minds would get on a grow forum, and rehash the talking points of a failed prohibition on pot.
for those who took the shill job for extra money for their kids, im sorry, but you need to set a better example. after all , your kids are gonna grow up, in a world where pot is legal.
conspiracy forum is over there darling.
Right, so you think all the people who've mentioned negative points about weed are paid random people. this is is another negative of weed, paranoid delusions. Your an absolute fucking nutter
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
#19186654 - 11/25/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As much as i love weed, i am against full legalization, i don't think that we are ready and of course the government is going to do it wrong if we do it now...... the laws in seattle area awful.
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Smeagol said: this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance
i suspect a good portion of them are $10 an hour computer bank shills, likely in a mid western impoverished area. operated by a conseravative think tank , likely funded by pharma and alch industries.
it would be pretty easy to cross reference and ban these paid propagandists.
only the most cynical and desperate minds would get on a grow forum, and rehash the talking points of a failed prohibition on pot.
for those who took the shill job for extra money for their kids, im sorry, but you need to set a better example. after all , your kids are gonna grow up, in a world where pot is legal.
conspiracy forum is over there darling.
Right, so you think all the people who've mentioned negative points about weed are paid random people. this is is another negative of weed, paranoid delusions. Your an absolute fucking nutter
lol. no, he was joking, and in turn it seems, you're the one being paranoid. so your whole tie in there, kinda bites you in the ass. it seems that (according to you own logic) that people who don't smoke weed make for people with paranoid delusions.
but i assume you were joking as well.
PS: plus he was responding to one of your opponents, not even you or the OP... so, you accusing him of being "some weed nut" is even more funny, now that i realize this... it seems you are butthurt.
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Am I seeing this correctly? Akira_Akuma and k00laid actually spouting positive language via shroomery!?!?! never thought id see the day! keep it guys, these noobs need to know!
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I'm pretty sure nnsurge was saying "Right" as in "I agree with k00laid", and then his statement was directed towards anne. It's definitely an confusing exchange though.
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lol, oh yeah, good call. i see i missed the original exchange. my mistake. sorry nnsurge.
Holonium is a nutter.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
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This is quite possibly the biggest NON-THREAD in shroomery history. what the fuck are you people arguing about????
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k00laid said: Registered: 04/08/13 youre in for a treat
I've been around much much longer than that matey, but I get what you're tryin' to say, the join date on this account is pretty new and this thread is by no means spectacular. Maybe im just too to comprehend the line of thought this thread is on.....to me its all over the place, and i've never not been able to follow a thread here, ever...man.
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it goes like this
op says something
a few people respond to the OP
then other people respond to the people responding to the OP, but its not entirely relevant to the OP.
and the cycle repeats until the thread is way off course.
it's called a "de-railed" thread.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
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so what do you guys think of the weather?
...case closed... marijuana is awesome.
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