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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19117627 - 11/10/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It doesn't sound like you're very happy with yourself. You've been trained to believe that getting high for "no reason" is something that is a waste of time by society. It also sounds like you're surrounded by constant smokers, which I used to be. I agree that that type of behavior isn't beneficial and that they aren't doing anything but not dealing with their inadequacies, however, it seems you are not quite comfortable with yourself.
Me personally, I don't need to feel like I'm growing or gaining something from every chemical I ingest. I enjoy having spiritual and deep experiences which I feel like I'm bringing something back. I also enjoy taking psychedelics and creating art and bringing that back, but, I also enjoy the feelings I get from many chemicals and I don't feel bad about it because I know the effects and I'm deciding to feel those effects. It sounds like you're more upset with people's inability/choice to not change themselves and look to easy fixes.
Don't blame such a beautiful plant buddy and realize there are plenty of individuals who do terrible and saddening things with psilocybin mushrooms as well as most mind altering substances.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19117643 - 11/10/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you explain what benefits you're referring to when you say that marijuana accomplishes nothing? Since when are drugs supposed to help you accomplish anything?

The "benefit" of marijuana is really simple- it enhances sensation. That's it. Thinking becomes more fun and creative, food begins to have a lot more flavor and taste, music puts you in this trippy headspace that feels really good, the concepts of past and future begin to disintegrate and you feel more in the now, and so forth. Basically, any activity that you enjoy sober generally tends to feel better when you're high.

How you don't understand that is beyond me.




Drugs are always supposed to help you accomplish something. Do you not realize that? We do nothing without an incentive or drive. You do not take a drug for no reason whatsoever, and neither do you do anything else. If "just for the fuck of it" is your reason, than that is possibly what you're trying to accomplish, or most likely it's something else even if you're not aware of it.

But you're misrepresenting marijuana, again, which is such an endemic notion. You describe it as something that is purely positive with only an upside, but that's not the case as with everything else. Shrooms enhance sensation as well, but I would scoff at the idea of--and might you as well?--someone eating shrooms with the same sort of frequency and in the same sort of context or with the same purpose that they smoke pot. And neither am I under the illusion that shrooms don't have negative aspects, because they absolutely do, which would likely come to light if you ate them everyday. Using tobacco would be a more obvious comparison, but it's pretty much the same deal, and I can't stand that either. Marijuana isn't  in some separate, exalted category of drugs.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19117702 - 11/10/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"I cant stand marijuana"

Your personal experience and other peoples experiences are not the same. To each their own.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19117762 - 11/10/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.

Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.

You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?

tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.

Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19117850 - 11/10/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Alexestalex said:
I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.

Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.

You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?

tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.

Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.




Yes but I have experienced that, and no I'm not trolling. Stating that you didn't enjoy it until your 20th sesh helps nothing, because you're entering into the territory of habitual use again, which is one of the issues I have. It's another reason not to tolerate it, because you're implying that I have to develop some sort of dependency to enjoy it. I'm operating from the standpoint that sobriety is the ideal state of consciousness, so if you are not, then we won't converge on any points, really. You are mistaken about the perspective that I have on the pointlessness of activities and yields, because then I wouldn't spend any time to have made this thread, or to jerk off, or whatever else. I specifically take issue with you saying "If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?" because there is absolutely a problem with that, which is drug dependency. You absolutely do not need drugs of any kind to achieve any of those things.

I'll tell you one thing marijuana doesn't enhance: being sober.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19117901 - 11/10/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19117903 - 11/10/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:hahthatsrich:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19117963 - 11/10/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's not really related directly to the current discussion but I know of a not insignificant proportion of people and myself who find MJ just doesn't sit well with them, the whole body rejects it, some of them mention persecutory delusions and I certainly experience this; I believe it created my current schizoaffective disorder.

MJ isn't always friendly...

Just wanted to add that in. If it hasn't already come to light it is my opinion that it will eventually be found that a not insignificant percentage of smokers will either fail to have a positive experience and/or develop psychotic symptoms.

But having never had a single positive MJ experience I might be a bit biased.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19117965 - 11/10/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I get where you're coming from, OP and I agree with you on some levels. I never understand why frequent smokers get all uppity when people have counter opinions on cannabis. All drugs are a luxury. Simple as that. One should be able to be in place with there mind, soul, heart, etc. FIRST with out relying on any sort of psychoactive. I've always felt if you do something too frequently that new feeling or perspective becomes an old mundane one. My personal approach to taking any sort of psychoactive is to use it occasionally. The effects seem more special in comparison to building a tolerance.



BUUT that is just my perspective. Not trying to be divisive or anything.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: TheWitchfinder]
    #19118007 - 11/10/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hell, I get the feeling when i smoke a cigarette. LOL It's my mind telling me- You just inhaled poison, why are you doing this to yourself? What have you gained?

As for doing drugs for answers, it often ends up being that you are left with more questions instead. Go figure

FWIW, Perhaps it's a sign you should quit MJ for a while.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19118902 - 11/11/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm starting to smoke less and less. It sucks when your only thought during the day is "this would be so much funner if i was high". You start to limit your enjoyment of life activities because you feel like it would be enhanced through weed. The truth is you'd probably enjoy those activities just fine if you didn't put expectations on them not being as enjoyable unless you had weed.

It's great to wind down after a long day, but i think, at least for me, it's really unhealthy to use it so frequently.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19118925 - 11/11/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's just like your opinion man.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19118960 - 11/11/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't like Marijuana simply because it's the only drug that has ever made me paranoid on multiple occasions and even for a couple days after being sober. Other people can't even fathom my dislike for it since they've never shared the same experiences as myself. I did have some good times with it, never any inspiration though, I guess to each is own. :shrug:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: iamerror73]
    #19119105 - 11/11/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree weed sucks majorly, but your attitude is pretty damn biased. I agree that I will never understand the people who prefer weed to psychedelics. That just doesn't compute in my mind. I also agree that a lot of people smoke too much for what's good for them. But I could never say weed has no value to anyone or make sweeping generalizations like you did


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19119492 - 11/11/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree weed sucks majorly, but your attitude is pretty damn biased. I agree that I will never understand the people who prefer weed to psychedelics. That just doesn't compute in my mind. I also agree that a lot of people smoke too much for what's good for them. But I could never say weed has no value to anyone or make sweeping generalizations like you did




My attitude is a bit biased, yes, but that can't be helped. It comes down to my own personal experience, which is not shared with everyone else, obviously. In being so polarized, however, I'm trying to be a bit controversial. I'm not trying to "troll," no. And I'm not even saying that I hate weed (did I say that yet?)  or that I hate people who smoke it/eat it--this wasn't meant to be personal attack.

Smoking is very unpleasant for me at this point, yes, and that's why I never do it anymore, not for years, but there was one point when I smoked frequently, for about half a year or longer, and I don't think that I gained anything from it. Not that there has to be something to gain, but in comparison to other substances, like the occasional mushroom trip, I feel like it falls very short of that mark. I felt like there was and still feel like there is this facade that smoking is not akin to smoking cigarettes or alcoholism or taking anti-depressants or whatever and in terms of physical harmfulness/toxicity, I would agree that it's not. But it's still substance abuse, I have disdain for the belief that it isn't. And when I say that it doesn't have any value, that's just what I've experienced, but I should mention that that statement does not apply to a few specific medical conditions. But beyond the scope of those conditions, I feel that it doesn't, at least not anymore. The way that it is viewed and used by what I believe to be the vast majority people has no value. I think that's an important perspective to put out there from someone who is very pro-drug (pro-psychedelic). I think it's easy to take the arguments that anti-drug, anti-legalization people dish out about weed, but there is a grain of truth to some of those arguments as bitter as it makes me to admit that. Just to make yet another comparison, if I did shrooms frequently, let's say everyday, then they would also cease to have any value.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19119498 - 11/11/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm high. :ooo:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19119617 - 11/11/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't completely agree, but I really understand your view. I smoke a couple times a week at the moment. Which I like because I don't get too much tolerance, as I prefer the intense head high. And when I do smoke its always when I have nothing else to do, so its just time set aside at the end of the day to decompress, which I see as useful. I have friends who get high everyday and have somewhat of a psychological dependance on it. I don't give them shit about it because I don't care it's their life not mine. I wouldn't do that for myself for personal reasons, but some people don't have a problem with smoking that heavily.

I actually understand why people would prefer weed to psyches. For me, weed is very laughy and care free (which is alluring by nature) and occasionally some paranoia/anxiety. And mushrooms make me REALLY anxious, I still enjoy them for their other benefits, but I can see why other people would be completely turned off of them because to be honest, they can be scary as hell!:shrug:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19119664 - 11/11/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dont blame the plant man, the plant hasnt done shit and only does what its suppose to do. If you dont like smoking it then dont smoke or stop smoking but dont go on asking stupid questions like why do people use this drug? and that it has no value what so ever. Please stfu and keep your inccorect comments to yourself and go fukin get your fix on however you need to..


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Rohto]
    #19119675 - 11/11/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can't stand marijuana because it's not a substance for everyone. It's pretty simple really, MJ has side effects that outweigh positives for many people.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: iamerror73]
    #19119696 - 11/11/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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iamerror73 said:
I don't like Marijuana simply because it's the only drug that has ever made me paranoid on multiple occasions and even for a couple days after being sober. Other people can't even fathom my dislike for it since they've never shared the same experiences as myself. I did have some good times with it, never any inspiration though, I guess to each is own. :shrug:





Yeah this is the main reason I dislike weed, makes me feel nasty for a few days after.
Also I find people extremely boring when they are stoned and it has destroyed many of my friends curiosty and imagaination, leaving them content with doing nothing for days on ends


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