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akira_akuma
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19183609 - 11/24/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, that's somewhat true. But not totally, as most Americans favor legalization of cannabis, yet it remains illegal. I don't think the average person really has such a warped view of what it does. I don't think it helps anything to launch into a 3 page diatribe towards someone who says they don't like something about pot.
people seem to want to be in favor of legalization, because they want to give in and just let the notion that Marijuana is "harmless" be true, for an experiment, more then anything.
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bradley said: How does this conversation affect your personal use of cannabis? Seems to me you came here to defend its reputation. You are putting it on a massive pedestal, implying it only brings out ones true qualities, and directly stating that nothing in your mental aptitude changes while high. That just isn't true. Look at how people perform on driving tests or short term memory tests when stoned. Obviously there are some hindrances to your abilities. And that's fine, I don't care if people get fucked up once in a while. But I don't think it's anything to praise either.
Look, this conversation has been pretty casual. We could just as well be talking about how we hate asparagus and how it makes your pee smell bad. Who cares.
again, saying that i am defending it's reputation is where you are wrong.
i'm saying that Marijuana can't be held up to scrutiny solely from an aspect of what it does to you physically. it's a mild psychedelic. it does alot of different things for different people; which can't all be can't be generally attributed to every single person.
if your aptitude for driving is impaired, you are LETTING YOURSELF either not take what you're doing seriously, or you are too relaxed or too pie-eyed to concentrate. these physical attributes are the only things i can see, that would have a usual and general effect on anyone and everyone who uses it... but this can all be attributed to being too high for your own good; by smoking way too much of it; to be driving or doing whatever is being effected by your judgment.
it doesn't actually do anything to slow nervous transmission in your CNS; or even the Hippocampus... it actually speeds it up, which causes a paradoxical effect of things seeming "slower" or "more elongated".
it's not a matter of your judgement "being inebriated" but your actions showing your intentions on being more high then you can function on.
it's stupid but it's not because of Marijuana... it's because you used too much, or use it too much; and that's on the individual, not on the drug.
THAT'S what's stupid.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19183675 - 11/24/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay.
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akira_akuma
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19183677 - 11/24/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no argument. i'll presume that's because you're high, bro.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19183681 - 11/24/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's a mild psychedelic.
this is how I feel about weed and how it should be treated. I don't think it should be used all day every day
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19183691 - 11/24/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19183729 - 11/24/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma
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it's a mild psychedelic.
this is how I feel about weed and how it should be treated. I don't think it should be used all day every day
exactly^ i think people who smoke too much weed all the time, are being foolish because the intent shouldn't be on simply "being high", but on visiting or re-visiting a headspace which allows for certain things to be envisioned or thought of "differently".
or... in the odd occasions, to be relaxed while stressed, or to increase the sensation of eating, listening to music, reading, studying, ect ect...
but if you use it all the time for anyone of THOSE things, you'll get used to doing it when you don't need to do it; because those things are obviously favorable in the short term, then being active and being productive, and you can get pulled into doing things in the short term too often and too much. which is obvious why too... because one would be expecting to be high all the time. no one should, unless you're not like me (i like handiwork but i don't like going out of my way to do it) and you're the type of person who is constantly active, because it makes you feel better, or because you are driven personally to be as active as you can. which is a good thing... for someone who thinks like that. (i like being reserved and calm and content; high or no high)
not everybody does, though. i think it's certainly too easy for people to go "oh weed is completely harmless!" because of certain reasons that don't hold up to any rational discourse... such as "it's just a plant" or "it's sacred medicine!" and stuff like that. those "reasons" (which are irrational) provide for people to state some obviously erroneous things, as if they're true. that's a problem just the same, as someone who thinks that because they know one or two or five people or ten people or whatever, that "screwed up their life" or "are unmotivated or boring", that they are the typical Cannabis user, and that all Cannabis users must exhibit the same erroneous behavior, and don't know it themselves because they're high, or justifying their use to themselves; calling it self-medication.
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LOL, the stoned look is kind of a joke though.
PS: i'm not stoned right now, i am sober. if i was high i wouldn't be so hard headed, right now.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19183834 - 11/24/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had some good experiences with pot, too. And honestly all of this talk kind of has me wanting to try a bowl.
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anne halonium
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19183845 - 11/24/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
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akira_akuma
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19183872 - 11/24/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bradley said: I've had some good experiences with pot, too. And honestly all of this talk kind of has me wanting to try a bowl.
lol, mission accomplished, you could say... hehe
you know i come off as more of a hard head when i'm sober; i wish i had a bowl right now too. oh well, i'll probably get some sooner or later, but i'm taking a couple weeks break from now, because i don't wanna go through the trouble of picking any up.
*takes bite of burger* and i just made a tasty burger, so i'm good now anyways.
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un-known-ome said: I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?"
I can relate to this with psychedelics some times, and I used to feel this way about marijuana when i first started smoking. These feelings stemmed from people not accepting my desire to experiment and thus I felt guilty and "self loathing" as you put it.
Maybe you should smoke weed again and when you get that feeling, just smoke right on through it. Have you ever tried dabbing?
I have tried, yes. The thing about that is the reason WHY I'm filled with regret and loathing, is because I can't get around the plain truth of getting high. You know that self-examination bit that some people like to bring up? It's like getting high, examining yourself, and realizing you shouldn't be high, ironically. But that's what it is. And I understand that marijuana affects some people differently, as I would expect it to, but I actually used to get along with it just fine. It was an experimental phase. There's nothing in particular that happened to me to make me have such an issue with it, but rather it was a bunch of different things that added up. But I can honestly say that for all of those times I got high, I got nothing out of it. Nothing. It would have made no difference in my life, most likely. And at some point, I realized that it's not a path I needed to go down again. I felt like I saw it for what it was. I don't know.
I know my conviction rubs some people the wrong way, but at least I'm not leaving anything on the table. As someone who greatly appreciates the psychedelic experience, a big issue with marijuana is finding the context to do it, because it's very obvious to me that there isn't a respect for context at all. I mean, I had a pair of friends come over Friday, and they were wondering if I'd want to hang out on Saturday, order pizza and watch Doctor Who and get high and drink, and I think that was the fastest I'd ever declined to hang out with them. I mean it just sounded awful, and I know that it would have been. First of all, I need new friends, but secondly, that's the context for a lot of marijuana use. And I'm sorry that that plays into a common stereotype, but god damn can stereotypes be true. But even if we look past that, what's the context? And remember, when I or anyone else makes a generalization, it doesn't apply to everyone, but rather the 90-95% or so. Can't account for everyone, and I don't intend to. If you're the exception to everything I'm saying, either you're very special or you're not being honest with yourself.
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anne halonium said: im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
I don't think pot is the boogieman. Rather, I think it's like the quasi-friend that you really don't like but who you haven't dropped yet and just fucks up everything you do and sucks to be around.
Have fun vaping and being too cool for people like myself, who could totally voluntarily use a vaporizer too and get as high as they want but who choose not to because they are totally comfortable with being sober at any given moment in time.
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that sucks^
but that's why you drop him, and tell him that if you're not on weed, you're a better friend, then when you are on weed.
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If you're the exception to everything I'm saying, either you're very special or you're not being honest with yourself.
or one is just not doing what you're saying (sitting around watching TV, playing Nintendo, and sitting around in general; while getting high)
people do plenty of other things then the stereotypical couch locked stoner. people exercise, write, play music, do things around the house like cleaning, go into town or downtown and shop, meet up with people and bike/skate/walk around and find stuff to do, study, do work; labor or otherwise... alot more then just the stereotypes. SURE they can be true... but not for all people who smoke weed.
it's an faulty syllogism to say that all people who smoke weed are stoners, because not all people who smoke weed are "stoners".
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anne halonium said: im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
No one here thinks that.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19184213 - 11/24/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: im vaping, and feeling for sorry for the peeps that think pot is a boogieman..............
must be a scary world for some.
No one here thinks that.
you cant use real words with that one. good luck though.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
#19185694 - 11/25/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. seriously. i need convincing.
For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.
for one
the reputation of cannabis causes otherwise innocent human beings to be locked in cages, have their children taken from them, their property forfeited.
the fact that people arent emotional about this is really sad 
Am I seeing this correctly? Akira_Akuma and k00laid actually spouting positive language via shroomery!?!?! never thought id see the day! keep it guys, these noobs need to know!
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Imma just jump in here and say that after reading nothing but the OP and a few other posts, this thread sucks.
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You can think what you want and have your own opinion but this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance or something. Just because I use a drug differently than you and people fit shitty stereotypes doesn't mean jack or jill. Just because you think weed should be used occasionally and like shrooms doesn't mean someone who wants to be a lazy stoner is lower or wrong. bunch of judgemental drug users posting all up in here!!!
If I could I would smoke all day everyday. First because I like being high and I'm in a better mood. It actually helps with my seizures. It takes me away from conspiracy theories and watching the gubment. Takes the monotony out of daily cleaning and shit.
I get worse side effects from my coffee addiction.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Smeagol]
#19185835 - 11/25/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smeagol said: this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance
i suspect a good portion of them are $10 an hour computer bank shills, likely in a mid western impoverished area. operated by a conseravative think tank , likely funded by pharma and alch industries.
it would be pretty easy to cross reference and ban these paid propagandists.
only the most cynical and desperate minds would get on a grow forum, and rehash the talking points of a failed prohibition on pot.
for those who took the shill job for extra money for their kids, im sorry, but you need to set a better example. after all , your kids are gonna grow up, in a world where pot is legal.
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k00laid
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Smeagol said: this thread sounds like a sermon from the conservative drug users alliance
i suspect a good portion of them are $10 an hour computer bank shills, likely in a mid western impoverished area. operated by a conseravative think tank , likely funded by pharma and alch industries.
it would be pretty easy to cross reference and ban these paid propagandists.
only the most cynical and desperate minds would get on a grow forum, and rehash the talking points of a failed prohibition on pot.
for those who took the shill job for extra money for their kids, im sorry, but you need to set a better example. after all , your kids are gonna grow up, in a world where pot is legal.
conspiracy forum is over there darling.
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