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I Can't Stand Marijuana. * 4
    #19116276 - 11/10/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There. I said it. I have some perspective on marijuana that I wanted to share with this community, to see if anyone either agrees or at least understands where I'm coming from. I'm 22 now, and the only time I smoked marijuana with any real frequency was in junior year of high school. I have gone over a year now without touching it, and before that I can count on my fingers how many times I've inhaled in the previous four years.

For the record, I am very pro-drug, and I believe people should be able to smoke as much mj as they like, but I'm very critical of the reasons why people choose to do so. I'm actually in a bit of a different position, however, from most of the users on this forum, in that I don't advocate habitual recreational drug use. I have a lot of conviction in my belief that there is no decent reason to smoke or vaporize or otherwise inhale any chemicals, so that immediately turns me off of marijuana, but also that there is no decent reason to smoke mj on a regular basis. I figured out rather quickly that marijuana was something that I should eliminate from my life, and so I pretty much did, and once in a while I've tried to give it a go again, but to no avail.

See, whenever I have smoked marijuana in the past few years, I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?"  and it is a question to which I have no answer. Because the problem with marijuana is that it accomplishes nothing. There is nothing to gain. There is no upside. I accept that people have a preference for it, sure, but I don't understand it. My first foray into other psychedelics was DMT, followed by shrooms, and both of those experiences cemented in my mind why I really dislike weed: because it sucks. Let me explain: if you look at the use of marijuana in western culture, it's an absolute joke. I have a friend, an artist, who religiously smokes marijuana. He feels like he's reaping the benefits of marijuana, using it to help his creativity, to ease his muscle tension, to lubricate social interactions, and whatever else. But he's not reaping the benefits, because marijuana isn't enhancing anything: it's compensating for his inadequacies. It's a crutch, and as someone who keeps his distance from it, I can see it for what it is. Truthfully, I hate hanging out with him. But what's even more interesting is that I introduced him to shrooms, which I use seasonally at best, and he has a very limited interest in it. This is significant, because mushrooms can fill you with euphoria, and bestow you with some sort of connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world in a way that marijuana cannot even remotely achieve. Bust most of all, mushrooms make you aware of your own identity and help you confront your own inadequacies, and I can only speculate why he wouldn't like that, but I think I have the right idea.

Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother. Like people who have to smoke before they go out, who smoke before they go to class, who smoke before they work out, who smoke when they're having a conversation, who smoke and play video games, who smoke in their car, who smoke in the evening after work. It's indiscriminately smoking for no apparent reason, because it doesn't make those things better--it just makes you high when you do them. That's it. A well-adjusted person can just do those things when they're sober. There's a time and place to use marijuana, but 99% of the time there's just no fucking point. Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else. And even if you limit its use to special occasions, marijuana falls short of entheogens such as san pedro cactus, mushrooms, MDMA, LSD, or DMT in almost every conceivable way. Honestly, I don't mean to offend anyone, but that probably can't be helped.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19116299 - 11/10/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry that you don't like marijuana :cookiemonster:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Can-i-bus] * 1
    #19116312 - 11/10/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love my marijuana. Makes doing nothing/ the mundane entertaining :awebigvaped:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19116331 - 11/10/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So you like other drugs, but not marijuana.. Alright, nothing wrong with that but what If I told you I liked marijuana but not MDMA, LSD, DMT, Mushrooms,  ect.... and I thought there were no use for them? 

It's all a preference and wether or not you get something out of one thing and not the other doesn't mean that it's set in stone thats that.

I smoke weed and then workout, and guess what!  I fucking loving it, sure I could do it sober (which I do also) but I prefer to do it stoned because sometimes I'm fucking tired and being high helps. 

I'm not offended even though it may sound like that, I just like to throw f bombs and stuff around some times.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19116333 - 11/10/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh god this thread again?

If you don't like marijuana, then you shouldn't smoke it. I like it, so I will continue to smoke it. You gotta problem with that?


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: ChinChiller] * 1
    #19116346 - 11/10/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Weed makes me sociable, calm, happy, and chilled out. Whereas when I am sober I am slightly uptight. I have more fun being around other people being stoned. :feelsgoodman:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19116387 - 11/10/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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un-known-ome said:

See, whenever I have smoked marijuana in the past few years, I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?"  and it is a question to which I have no answer. Because the problem with marijuana is that it accomplishes nothing. There is nothing to gain. There is no upside.





I am sorry that your mind doesn't respond well to cannabis. Your reaction to it is not the reaction that 'smokers' get and you're entitled to your own opinions. And that's exactly what they are: opinions. To say that "marijuana accomplishes nothing," "there is no gain" well that's certainly your opinion. There are many people in this world, myself included, who have positive experiences with marijuana. There are those who cannabis smoking helps to maintain a decent appetite, and even maintain their sanity. A lot of cannabis users I know are actually motivated by smoking cannabis, contrary to the popular image of the sedentary stoner.

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I really dislike weed: because it sucks. Let me explain: if you look at the use of marijuana in western culture, it's an absolute joke. I have a friend, an artist, who religiously smokes marijuana. He feels like he's reaping the benefits of marijuana, using it to help his creativity, to ease his muscle tension, to lubricate social interactions, and whatever else. But he's not reaping the benefits, because marijuana isn't enhancing anything: it's compensating for his inadequacies. It's a crutch, and as someone who keeps his distance from it, I can see it for what it is. Truthfully, I hate hanging out with him. But what's even more interesting is that I introduced him to shrooms, which I use seasonally at best, and he has a very limited interest in it. This is significant, because mushrooms can fill you with euphoria, and bestow you with some sort of connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world in a way that marijuana cannot even remotely achieve. Bust most of all, mushrooms make you aware of your own identity and help you confront your own inadequacies, and I can only speculate why he wouldn't like that, but I think I have the right idea.




Not everyone's mind responds the same way towards different drugs. I think you are extreme close-minded to say for your friend that cannabis is his crutch, while psilocybes "bestow... connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world in a way that marijuana cannot even remotely achieve." You are basing this all on your knowledge and opinions and maybe, for your friend, cannabis does exactly that what you think it does not.

Tl;dr, I think you're jumping to conclusions about your friend and smokers in general, when in reality you just don't like the way the drug affects you.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mylfgur]
    #19116441 - 11/10/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your opinion sucks, no offense. Just because you don't like it doesn't give it all these negative qualities. In fact, I'm like you (sorta), I don't really care for cannabis, I mean I love it but its not the end all be all that its made out to be but it certainly has its place and it does make things better and it is an enhancer. I do dislike those stone serious pot heads who worship cannabis, it's annoying as hell but your opinion is as annoying as theirs because it is so far gone in its determination to be RIGHT, such is their opinion. Cannabis is just another amazing drug that I love but its just another one of  a bunch, I like other things more than it an I like other things less than it but overall it does have its place in my heart because although I have been abstaining from it for half a year +, I did enjoy it for several years and it did enhance my life in some ways and it had negatives too but I've finally figured out how to use it for its benefits and avoid its negatives in my life.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: GreySatyr] * 3
    #19116584 - 11/10/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've quit pot many times for various reasons - dry spell, drug test, respiratory problems, etc... and every time I start back up I go through a period of thinking "why did I just do that?". That whole paranoid panic feeling. Regret, guilt, wanting it to end.. been there many times and I know how much it sucks.

That's the dark side of marijuana - strong marijuana especially. When you start getting high every day, or multiple times each day that feeling goes away completely. That's when you get the true pleasure that cannabis has to offer. When you haven't done it in a while, and then you do it, your mind gets disoriented and it's not pleasurable. But when you're in that zone where you're one with the plant, that's when it all comes together. If it always felt crappy with paranoia, etc.. then nobody would like pot... but that's clearly not the case.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
    #19116659 - 11/10/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love me some chronic, but it always leaves me in a hazy/disoriented
state for a few days afterwards. Nothing major, but it makes concentrating and thinking abstractly pretty difficult. Does anyone else experience this?


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
    #19116662 - 11/10/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think the more productive and smart you are the better it works, generally. the smart stoners i know seem to get soooo much more out of it then the average stoner who sits around and watches tv.  read up on carl sagan's article he wrote on marijuana for example. the effects he gets are definitely not that of "regret and self-loathing." he seemed to get so much more out of it as do a lot of smokers. the feelings you get on marijuana are either just because your body can't handle it well or that you can't handle it mentally due to whatever underlying problems you may have.

point is if you have your shit together, and are a productive, smart and happy person, marijuana will most likely boost those traits.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Universe]
    #19116704 - 11/10/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Universe said:

That's the dark side of marijuana - strong marijuana especially. When you start getting high every day, or multiple times each day that feeling goes away completely. That's when you get the true pleasure that cannabis has to offer. When you haven't done it in a while, and then you do it, your mind gets disoriented and it's not pleasurable. But when you're in that zone where you're one with the plant, that's when it all comes together. If it always felt crappy with paranoia, etc.. then nobody would like pot... but that's clearly not the case.




:thumbup:

Cannabis is unlike a lot of other drugs for that reason. I feel like a lot of the negative side effects from smoking go away with tolerance.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19116721 - 11/10/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Regret and self loathing might be just what you need.

I find Marijuana very inebriating. I never get a tolerance to it either, which is why I eat it every night now. It gives me sleep. Sleep is fucking awesome. Sometimes it makes me  creative or focussed on spiritual practice or motivated for house work. Often I just have to lie down.

I don't like smoking it. Eating weed is so much better.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19116779 - 11/10/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, eating it is loads better.

I also agree with the poster who said something sbout tolerance allowing users to enjoy it more often which is the thing that I hate about it. You've got to be a regular user to really get the best effects or you have to dose extremely low, especially in my case and that sucks.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19116808 - 11/10/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think marijuana can't stand YOU


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19116812 - 11/10/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

one thing people forget is that weed can provide a very powerful reaction that can cause people to get severe anxiety and schizophrenia like side effects.  its got a lot to do with environment like for instance if your in the company of a lazy eyed, inbred, buzz killing idiot that doesn't know when to shut the fuck up your experience can be shit.  but if your by yourself weed can be very relaxing and meditative. when I was your age I didn't like weed much either because it caused me to get 'weird' around my friends and family and I didn't enjoy myself. but when I got a little older I love the weird effect it has on me and also I dont give a fuck about what any idiot thinks and I smoke it now and love it.  if you don't like it then you could always just not smoke it :b


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mrnixon]
    #19116884 - 11/10/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Weed is awesome :spinleaf:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Can-i-bus]
    #19117279 - 11/10/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Universe said:

That's the dark side of marijuana - strong marijuana especially. When you start getting high every day, or multiple times each day that feeling goes away completely. That's when you get the true pleasure that cannabis has to offer. When you haven't done it in a while, and then you do it, your mind gets disoriented and it's not pleasurable. But when you're in that zone where you're one with the plant, that's when it all comes together. If it always felt crappy with paranoia, etc.. then nobody would like pot... but that's clearly not the case.




:thumbup:

Cannabis is unlike a lot of other drugs for that reason. I feel like a lot of the negative side effects from smoking go away with tolerance.




And I am aware of this fact, but this presents a problem, because it basically promotes a certain amount of dependency on marijuana to get into a groove.

I'm not denying that people like pot, because clearly they do, and I recognize the appeal, but it's just important to look at the reasons why people are smoking it. Some of the responses have mentioned that it makes the "mundane entertaining" and that "weed makes me sociable and calm" among other things, but those aren't strikes against my position: it's the opposite. What you're describing is basically a form of self-medicating, where for some reason or another, you express a desire or need to smoke to achieve something that you should just be able to do or feel in a sober state. This is what I see frequently with marijuana use, and no I'm not a fucking doctor. I'm not a shill either.

What I'm saying applies to the people out there, maybe people on this forum or on this thread, who have posters of a marijuana leaf. Who have some extravagant, gaudy smoking apparatus and use words such as "ripping" and "bong" on a daily basis. Who's car/ apartment perpetually smells like weed. Who smokes in anticipation of performing basic daily functions. Who spends exorbitant amounts of money on bud. Who constantly brings up the subject of marijuana legalization. Who needs to smoke to be sociable. Who gets high and doesn't think it alters his/her ability to perform certain tasks in any way. Those are all problems, and while you're entitled to do it, that's not enhancing anything. That's a coping mechanism. You know what would be completely pointless right now, for me to do? Continue on this thread? Absolutely, lol, but also to get high. Tomorrow I'm going to go to the gym, do some course work, clean my apartment, visit a friend, and then read or something or other. Getting high doesn't fit anywhere into that equation, and it never does. And to be fair, neither does any other psychedelic. If I'm going to do a psychedelic, I'm going to set aside a certain amount of time on a certain day and not do anything else during that period. If you need it to sleep at night, then you've got yourself some sleeping issues.

I can't stand it, and maybe it can't stand me, but I'm fine with that, somehow. In another time or place, I might feel differently, and maybe I'm really taking issue with what marijuana has been made out to be, and not what it really is. Like this guy right here with this swiveling marijuana leaf and the statement "weed is awesome" is just not helping anything. Because it's just a tool, but it's a tool that gets used way too often and for the the wrong job.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19117338 - 11/10/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:cop: Just kidding op, You could say a lot of the same things about alcohol, or tobacco. To each his own. But, a lot of people enjoy those too.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19117450 - 11/10/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can you explain what benefits you're referring to when you say that marijuana accomplishes nothing? Since when are drugs supposed to help you accomplish anything?

The "benefit" of marijuana is really simple- it enhances sensation. That's it. Thinking becomes more fun and creative, food begins to have a lot more flavor and taste, music puts you in this trippy headspace that feels really good, the concepts of past and future begin to disintegrate and you feel more in the now, and so forth. Basically, any activity that you enjoy sober generally tends to feel better when you're high.

How you don't understand that is beyond me.


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