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Does Smoking Risk Failure?
    #1911608 - 09/13/03 03:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

This guy I know has been having a little problem with cobwebs destroying his casings. He wonders if maybe smoking in the same room as his casings could be the cause of this or any other problem he has or could have?


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1911811 - 09/13/03 04:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Smoke settles as dust and dust has a habit of attaching itself to other materials.

In short, smoking will increase the propensity of contamination as pathogenic spores have "particle-purchase" and will precipitate to surfaces -- i.e. the surfaces you work on.

Don't smoke in the grow room or the shroom room. Keep both clean.


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912019 - 09/13/03 07:27 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Bull Shit you have no proof !
please don't eat here while i'm smoking .  :nonono: 


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1912032 - 09/13/03 08:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I know enough that there isn't a greenhouse in the Oz hort industry that allows smoking (as industry standards call for *OH&S as well as *IPM). Smoking is also banned in the Oz mushroom production industry as it falls under the same ag rulings.

*OH&S = Occupational Health & Safety
*IPM = Intergrated Pest Management

IPM btw also takes into consideration hygiene of culture. I suggest you read up about it in some ag/hort sites.

Point of the matter is this, smoke in your grow if you want...just accept the higher pathogen rate that will go with it and the pollution too. IMO, treat your grow like the kitchen, keep it clean, go smoke outside.


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912043 - 09/13/03 08:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

my pan cyans don't seem to mind .
it's because of you damn liberals, we can't even smoke in a pool hall anymore .

Please don't eat while I'm smoking .


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1912047 - 09/13/03 08:31 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Dunno about the "liberals" bit, I'm in Australia so the American political definitions don't apply, esp. as the Liberal Party (the party that's federally in power atm) is the conservative party.


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912060 - 09/13/03 09:03 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

don't matter . i'm talking about the whining sniveling hand ringers that are in every country, that want to restrict our rights to promote their own political agenda .
and don't tell me you don't have them in  Australia .they are everywhere .
and, we better quit this or SK will send this thread to OTD .  :crazy: 


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1912084 - 09/13/03 09:31 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

From an Australian hort production industry perspective, IPM alone bans smoking in closed artificial production facilities i.e. polyhouses, greenhouses & growrooms (inc. mushrooms). It has nothing to do with politics, more to do with bio-product-integrity which ultimately reflects in profits. IPM actually saves growers money as it deals with cultural hygiene, pesticide management and crop resistance...to name a few.

As for smoking bans in places of hospitality, such as bars, clubs, pool halls ect...that's political, though the case for it has a sound argument medically speaking. Not that I care, I don't drink alcohol and I find drunk people the worst of all. I'll only go to restaurants and yep, I like them smoke free.

But by all means (though I wouldn't) smoke around your grow as that's your call. It is after all your grow and no one can tell you how to run it or operate it, unless of course they pay the bills or own the house.


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912121 - 09/13/03 10:18 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

well, that's just too cool . kill me with kindness .
i will say this once again . you have no proof .
yes, it is well documented that smoking is bad for humans .
but mushrooms don't smoke .
show me evidence that second hand smoke will damage my crop .
i don't blow smoke at my mushrooms .
the air in my house is refreshed every time i open the door .
and a green house without ventilation is a terrarium .
again show me .


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1912126 - 09/13/03 10:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think thee are more smokers in the world than non-smokers especially if you ad pot, coke, meth, salvia, and anyother drug you can smoke....:grin:


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912152 - 09/13/03 10:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Grow Ganoderma Lucidum (Reishi) next to your shrooms. They are anti carcinogenic so your shrooms shouldn't get cancer from second hand smoke  :thumbup:
 


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #1912206 - 09/13/03 11:21 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Where did this "mushroom cancer" spring from Bi0Tek? An obvious spin to obfuscate the thread. :rolleyes: The issue put forward was on the basis of IPM, which is implemented in the Oz hort/ag scene.

But by all means re-invent the industrial wheel if you so please. I don't care whether you smoke or not smoke in proximity of your projects...after all, they're your projects. I simply couldn't care less, so at risk of repeating (and as said in my ^above post), smoke if you want. Read the ^above post and this paragraph again to sink it in. :wink:

You see, we all have choices, even when deanofmean erroneously believes his choices are in peril by me, regardless of the fact that I'm not a US citizen and therefore I can't vote for change in the US (a place apparently where liberals appear his root woe). Yet somehow (due to his argumentative policy) he feels licensed to project his ethnocentric global/political views, based on his perception of "US pestilent liberals", as the sum-ubiquitous cause of all his evils (so I must be part of it despite residing thousands of km's away). Ho-hum.

deanofmean, hope the Aussie pans are doing ok for you. :smile:     


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912237 - 09/13/03 11:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Aussie pans are doing grate, thank you .
i still don't like Hillary Clinton's views .


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Starter]
    #1912245 - 09/13/03 11:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Where did this "mushroom cancer" spring from Bi0Tek?




The depths of my warped mind.

Quote:

An obvious spin to obfuscate the thread.




Not at all, just my attempt at injecting some humour into a otherwise dull thread.


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1912254 - 09/13/03 12:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

and i don't blame you for that, but you still haven't proven that carbonmonoxide is detrimental to fungus .


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #1912267 - 09/13/03 12:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Bi0TeK said:
Not at all, just my attempt at injecting some humour into a otherwise dull thread. 



dull thread ?  well, if you ain't havin' fun, go sit in the truck . :lol: 


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Re: Does Smoking Risk Failure? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1912299 - 09/13/03 12:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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deanofmean said:
and i don't blame you for that, but you still haven't proven that carbonmonoxide is detrimental to fungus .




I already gave the reason in my first post. But you went off on some odd-ball anti-liberal rant on anti-smoking politics that means nothing to me. It would be like me discussing Aussie politics at you or more rediculously, projecting you're part of them.

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In short, smoking will increase the propensity of contamination as pathogenic spores have "particle-purchase" and will precipitate to surfaces -- i.e. the surfaces you work on.




The inaugural post of this thread speaks of cobweb being a problem on his casings. That's a ubiquitous spore and in mushroom culture a definite pest. If it can hitch a ride on dust particles from smoke which ultimately precipitate to surfaces (i.e. his casings, as casings are a surface), all the more power to the cobweb and woe to thee.

In grow rooms, botrytis (a pathogen spore of many plants) is the issue and it too will attach to dust, be that dust from smoke as well. This is why growers use carbon scrubbers, ozone and ionizer generators to pull the dust from the air to reduce the threat...and in fact, they exist too in HEPA filter systems. The "shroomerists" are simply jumping on tech/methods used in wider ag and even in hospitals. Dust carries disease, even with humans too. Typhus is a good example.

Cleaner environments esp. in closed environments (where pollution ppm is of issue) generally make for healthier produce. It's that simple. I can't see why there's an argument on what's so straight forward? It's the standard in wider ag (at least in Oz and guide lined in IPM). Now If you can smoke where you grow and all is rosy, all the more power to you.

BioTeK, thanks for being honest.

Edited to include the quoted post question from deanofmean who pulled it from this thread for reasons unknown?


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