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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Thulean]
#19114603 - 11/10/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Surrender and you will be fine
I understand that, but a lot of criminals are not thinking correctly, is that a reason to put humans lives in danger when there are other options? I do not think so
it's the criminal that put those lives in danger
this isnt a difficult concept to understand
You can say that, but at the end of the day it's the police officers fat finger squeezing the trigger.
and that fat finger seems to stop the danger to the innocents of the general public that the criminals put in danger
again, not a difficult concept to understand
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19114637 - 11/10/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smog, cigs and alchohol are dangerous to the general public as well. All good and legal though. The only time something is "dangerous" is when the person is for lack of a better term, rebellious to the system. Drug dealers, gun runners, pimps, it's not so much that these people are dangerous to the public, or that the police are trying to protect us from them. It's more that these rebels aren't adhering to the rules of tax. And so NOW they are a threat, and that's all the police force is here for. To collect tax, not protect you and I.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Thulean]
#19114722 - 11/10/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or is the purpose of making drug dealing/gun running illegal so that we the citizens stay safe from these 'dangerous' products.
The drug dealer may not be hurting people, but his products very well could be (not necessarily and probably not in the majority of cases). I'm not saying we should be protected from the option of using hard drugs, I think it should be a personal decision. But what if the gov sees it as a necessary measure to protect the people? After all aren't we their greatest asset? If their population died who would pay their salaries? Fight their wars? Etc etc..
A lot of people stay away from drugs not due to fear of the drug, but due to fear of the gov. Or fear of sketchy situations that are sometimes/often (depending on your contacts of course) a part of obtaining the substances. If they were made legal, you could shove those two fears out the window and many more people would try them. Meaning more people would hurt themselves with OD, addictions, bad decisions while intoxicated. Not saying most people that do drugs are faced with those problems, most aren't. But if more people had access, more people would surely get hurt.
Same with the gun runner, he's helping to arm people with potentially lethal weapons, although he's not physically hurting anybody at the time of his sale.
If it's all about taxation wouldn't the gov just make meth, cocaine, heroine etc legal and tax the shit out of them? Sure, some people would stay with the illegal buying if it was cheaper, but many people would move to the legal method where they could get an assuredly grade A product without having to fear legal repercussions.
I'm not saying all/any of this is true, but isn't it possible that they really do think they are doing us good by making things like this illegal?
edit: and pimps are dangerous, think about how many STDs they help spread and how shitty the situation can be for the woman involved
Edited by dontknow (11/10/13 12:46 PM)
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Thulean]
#19114743 - 11/10/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thulean said: Smog, cigs and alchohol are dangerous to the general public as well. All good and legal though. The only time something is "dangerous" is when the person is for lack of a better term, rebellious to the system. Drug dealers, gun runners, pimps, it's not so much that these people are dangerous to the public, or that the police are trying to protect us from them. It's more that these rebels aren't adhering to the rules of tax. And so NOW they are a threat, and that's all the police force is here for. To collect tax, not protect you and I.
most of the public doesnt smoke or drink, most dont have to deal with the smog and it's not about being rebellious to the system, it's about posing that imminent threat to the lives and safety of others
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19115843 - 11/10/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you not get Pris? This shit is simple. If the cops do not chase the perp there is no reason to believe anyone s going to end up dead, unlike if the cops get involved in a high speed pursuit.
IDC if you consider a car a weapon or not, by that logic almost anything can be a weapon, if you're twirling a pen you better watch out, cops might barge in and shoot you dead, because a pen can be a weapon.
The car would not be a weapon if the cops were not chasing it and making the person drive recklessly, what is so hard for you to grasp about that?
And about what if the guy goes off and murders a bunch of people?
Well that's just bullshit, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the perp would do that, were not talking about a serial murderer here, we're talking about a small-time criminal.
Stick to the facts...
-Small time criminal
-If you pursue the criminal it is somewhat likely someone will end up dead.
-If you do not pursue the criminal at this time there is a very very very very high chance no one will be harmed.
Pretty simple decision...
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19115858 - 11/10/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But if the cops didn't pursue petty criminals, then basically having a car = not going to jail. Everybody would be knocking off gas stations etc and the cops couldn't do shit about it.
And someone will be harmed, the victim of the small time criminal. They won't get justice.
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Edited by dontknow (11/10/13 04:51 PM)
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: dontknow]
#19115944 - 11/10/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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dontknow said: But if the cops didn't pursue petty criminals, then basically having a car = not going to jail. Everybody would be knocking off gas stations etc and the cops couldn't do shit about it.
And someone will be harmed, the victim of the small time criminal. They won't get justice.
Did you not read the thread?
Follow them with a heli and have cops stay nearby and stay in radio comm with the heli.
Or if they know who the criminal is, put out a warrant, its not hard to figure out who someone is by various methods, fingerprinting the crime scene, facial recognition software, running plates, etc...
And even if you fail with both of these methods, then so what, a small percentage of criminals maybe get away, better than multiple possible innocent people dying, but honestly not many people will get away from these two methods.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19115959 - 11/10/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who reads the OP these days
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: dontknow]
#19115966 - 11/10/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tl;dr
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19115981 - 11/10/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But, do all police stations have a helicopter on hand? and more than 1? I think probably not. It's a good idea but I don't know if it's practical for them.
And I don't think fingerprinting every crime scene is logical either.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett] 1
#19116033 - 11/10/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mjmihalov said: he car would not be a weapon if the cops were not chasing it and making the person drive recklessly
The cops following me does not make me drive recklessly. If a cop turns his lights on, I pull over instead of flying through intersections and nearly killing people, because I am not a selfish idiot.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19116096 - 11/10/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mjmihalov said: he car would not be a weapon if the cops were not chasing it and making the person drive recklessly
The cops following me does not make me drive recklessly. If a cop turns his lights on, I pull over instead of flying through intersections and nearly killing people, because I am not a selfish idiot.
So does being a selfish prick make it okay for people to die?
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett] 1
#19116154 - 11/10/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your cause and effect are all mixed up.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19116201 - 11/10/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No its not.
I'm done repeating myself over and over, if you want the facts reread the thread. If you want to continue arguing when there's no further information needed then go for it, but I will not be responding unless you provide new evidence.
BTW, this is a hypothetical situation I made up, so there is no more new evidence.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19118723 - 11/11/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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volcomstoner said: If your going to break the law then I think you deserve to get offed by an officer
Do you go to the police station every sunday to pray to the government and thank it for it's great laws?
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Thulean said: You can say that, but at the end of the day it's the police officers fat finger squeezing the trigger.
and that fat finger seems to stop the danger to the innocents of the general public that the criminals put in danger
again, not a difficult concept to understand
It seems more like it spreads unnecessary violence including unnecessary deaths and is a sign of utter incompetence and fear on the part of the police. If we're talking about this kid that got shot here (I guess this is also why you locked the thread), then the office could have given off warning shots, could have shot the tires, called reinforcements, there were many options. Instead the guy decided to shoot and he know it could kill the person and considering the amount of shots he actually tried to kill the person. Have a look at this article: http://rt.com/usa/us-germany-85-shots-022/
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19154704 - 11/18/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bump because of recent events.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Synth Ethics]
#19154718 - 11/18/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Synth Ethics said: in canada they abandon the pursuit if it get to the point that civils are in danger, depending on the gravity of the crime.
in Cops I see high speed pursuit that mostly ends up in a crash for things like overspeeding or failing to stop 
QFT
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so when a cop pops into your home, and caps you, it'll all be ok, because you smoke drugs and shit, right?Quote:
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we're not talking about the felon or criminal... understand now, we're talking about innocent bystanders that may or not be around during a major chase and/or shoot out.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: Surrender and you will be fine
I understand that, but a lot of criminals are not thinking correctly, is that a reason to put humans lives in danger when there are other options? I do not think so
it's the criminal that put those lives in danger
this isnt a difficult concept to understand
it's also the cops that put lives in danger. they are there, driving dangerously with their vehicle, and they are using dangerous maneuvers, and they are firing weapons. it's dangerous. you can try and deny it, and it'd be funny... but... it's a plain obtuse super obvious and you'd have to be a little DURR to not see, that it's dangerous.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19154906 - 11/18/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mjmihalov said: recent events.
Did I miss something?
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19154930 - 11/18/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mjmihalov said: recent events.
Did I miss something?
A cop shot at a van full of kids.
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19154983 - 11/18/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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and you are surprised ?
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