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InvisibleSynthe
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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19114392 - 11/10/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.



Tru that, but a $10 minimum wage might not be "too much". You think $10 is "enough" that one would be happy with that forever and never try to advance to a higher level position/education? :shrug:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114410 - 11/10/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Seriously? Your augment against eating health and cheaply is that the kids might get picky? Fuck that, if your poor eat what you can afford. I survive because i eat cheaply and well.

heres the source, i thought you were asking for a source on the obesity statement.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/02/on-labor-day-2013-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-work-in-35-states/

i apologize for the generalized statement that all states were 25 an hour. Just some, though most states it appears are around 15 or more an hour



Oh holy fuck  :woooaaahhh:

And to think I thought you were exaggerating...



But on the other side, wouldn't this be a good reason to increase the minimum wage? Would welfare abusers not be more inclined to get a job if they could earn more than they collect?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19114432 - 11/10/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it would be a better argument to reduce welfare


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114448 - 11/10/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
it would be a better argument to reduce welfare



Well, not evenly. It should be representative of the cost of living in each state. For example, Texas may not have as high of a cost of living as NY, but the fact that the welfare benefits are like 25% of the amount means that if you reduced both equally then Texans on welfare wouldn't have enough to survive.

Well, perhaps it should be gradually reduced while gradually raising minimum wage, in both cases by a small amount (5-10%?)


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19114463 - 11/10/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think welfare should be reduced across the board. Cost of living be damned. Eventually people will leave because they can't afford to live there. So shit holes like New York would have to become competitive by reducing cost of living and making it more attractive in order to draw people back.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114561 - 11/10/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
i think welfare should be reduced across the board. Cost of living be damned. Eventually people will leave because they can't afford to live there. So shit holes like New York would have to become competitive by reducing cost of living and making it more attractive in order to draw people back.



That would tear peoples relationships with friends and family apart. A bit harsh, forcing people to pack up and move states away, don't you think?

I mean, how'd you like to be forced to move to a state you don't even want to live in and leave your friends/fam behind?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19114592 - 11/10/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no one is forcing anyone to do anything. if you choose to live in an expensive city what do you expect?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114696 - 11/10/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
no there were 0 valid points made and your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances. All I read there is me me me and my world view centers around my personal experience and has nothing to do with the experience of other people who I do not know and can I get a cookie?
Seriously though there were no valid points made.




It's funny because that is what I am reading from your posts- with a heavy dose of flaming and disrespect.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115362 - 11/10/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A federal minimum wage is idiotic because of vastly different costs of living throughout the nation.  Even within states it is ridiculous.  Look at NY and California.  Look at NJ.  Some parts have $1,000 studios and some have $200 one BRs.  I don't support any minimum wage at all but I am even more opposed to a blanket one on the grounds that we are a wildly disparate nation.  Then there is the inevitable decrease of employment for losers that it will incur.  Isn't there enough unemployment among the losers already?  Way to disincentivize employers from hiring monkey asses.

If you have been in the work force for more than a year or two and still making minimum wage you really need to reconsider your work.  Because you are either grotesquely incompetent at what you do or you are too lazy to be relied on to show up.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler] * 1
    #19115443 - 11/10/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19115541 - 11/10/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19115791 - 11/10/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



A championship post



only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115812 - 11/10/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



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only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.



really? I see opportunity every where. Every year we have new self made millionaires who saw opportunity and seized it.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115842 - 11/10/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:

only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.




Led to believe?:lolsy:I'm 56 years old.  It is the country I have seen it is.  I am long removed from having had to rely on people telling me that things are how they want me to believe they are.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19115895 - 11/10/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I live in one of the most expensive places in the country.  I can buy a whole roast chicken at the super market for $6.  It is better than I can make at home without getting fancy.





Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19115978 - 11/10/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Simplicitry said:
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Hammburgler said:
your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances.



Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison  to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.

So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em,  they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary.  Worthless scum. That is all



A championship post



only its really not the country you have been led to believe it is.



Elaborate if you will


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19115989 - 11/10/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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zappaisgod said:
I live in one of the most expensive places in the country.  I can buy a whole roast chicken at the super market for $6.  It is better than I can make at home without getting fancy.





Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.




So?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19116006 - 11/10/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Simplicitry said:


Elaborate if you will



The American Dream is just that - a dream.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19116011 - 11/10/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Mush4Brains said:

Whole roasted chickens are probably one of the only things sold in a grocery store for a loss.




So?




It's called a fact.  I understand they are hard for you to comprehend.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19116032 - 11/10/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It describes opportunity for all with no guaranteed outcome but a chance.  That's all you get.  A chance.  Almost anybody who tries can succeed to at least a reasonable extent.  If you produce you can be successful.  If you don't you can fuck off.  Pay particular attention to that last.


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