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    #19115347 - 11/10/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello!  I apologize in advance if I do this all wrong because I am brand new to the forums, but I intend on staying, so teach me and I will learn.  I've been crawling through search results for a while, but as I saw someone else say, "is that ever really enough?"

Sometime later this week, I'll be eating mushrooms for the third time in my life.  I'm excited about it and hoping to make it the best experience possible.  My first two times eating shrooms were very different in nature, and it has been about three years since then.  The first time, I ate less than a gram and felt more stoned than anything, but with some interesting visuals.  The second time was a few weeks after that; I ate two grams and I had a terrible panic attack - but I believe this is because I went off by myself, in a big house, in the dark.  I got it in my head that I was going to draw while everyone else went outside.  I've gathered that this was a dumb idea.

This time, I'll be tripping with people I love and trust, who are all experienced with shrooms.  We don't have any set "plans" but there are plenty of things to do around here.

My main concern is dosing.  Like I said, it has been over three years since I last ate shrooms.  If it's relevant at all, I'm rather small (around 110 lbs) and I'm a lightweight as far as most substances go - alcohol, prescriptions, marijuana, etc.  I can't drink caffeine but I tolerate other uppers quite well, just in small doses.

The other thing I've been thinking about - and I hope it is okay to mention this - is that I do have some problems with anxiety.  I've had random panic attacks since I was a kid, and most of my anxiety revolves around whether or not I'll have a panic attack at any given moment, which usually ends in me having a panic attack.  With therapy and medication, I've reached a point where it is not a big problem in my everyday life anymore, but I still have that worry about how psychedelics will affect me.  Marijuana has proved both helpful and harmful in the past.  While it has allowed me a level of introspection that I believe really helped me target some of the deeper reasons behind my anxiety, smoking weed has also triggered some of the most horrible, hellish panic attacks I have ever had - so bad I thought I was having a seizure on more than one occasion.  (I have been medically cleared of any reason to believe I have seizures.)  I've stopped smoking weed for the most part because I didn't like the negative thought loops I'd get stuck in while smoking.

I am prescribed Klonopin by my doctor, and I take a low dose on an "as-needed" basis (not daily).  It has been difficult for me to find a straight answer on whether or not benzos can mellow out a trip while leaving the experience mostly intact.  I don't want to take them right away when I eat the shrooms, but I'd like to have them around just in case..  Would it be a better idea to just go ahead and take a small dose when I eat the mushrooms?  I really don't want another panic attack like the one I had years ago, but I'm also in a completely different state of mind now.  During that trip, I took triple my normal dose of Klonopin just to make the panic stop, and predictably fell asleep for almost 20 hours.

Given this information, does anyone have advice for me as I go into this?  I do believe my mental well-being is generally good enough to handle whatever comes along, and I know this situation will be different than before.  But because of that last experience, I am a little nervous about it happening again, and they say if you're nervous you'll cause yourself to panic.

tl;dr
- Dosage (psilocybin, if that matters) for a general lightweight that has not tripped in years?
- Safer to take a small preventative dose of Klonopin or wait and see if I need it (but risk having to take too much and ruin the whole trip)?
- Is it necessary to smoke weed while coming up/down from shrooms?  A lot of people, including those I'm tripping with, seem to think it is essential, but I don't really like smoking weed anymore.  Would it be different on shrooms?

Thank you for any advice you can offer.  I truly appreciate it!  And if I've broken the rules at all, I apologize and I'm fine with this being closed/moved (from browsing other threads, I think I'm okay, but feel free to correct me.)

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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: riverstrange]
    #19115384 - 11/10/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could use a small amount of benzo and still trip, and have more available in case you need. Maybe better to have them in the hands of someone who isn't tripping to distribute though.

In your situation, I would say skip the weed. I get along fine with it on mushrooms- in fact I LOVE it on mushrooms, but I've read MANY reports of it putting people over the edge into difficult experiences.

I would suggest incorporating some meditation into your life for at least a week leading up to the trip. Also I would not suggest tripping around more than 2, 0r 3 at the most other people. The chaos of mingling personalities, as well as social anxieties can be a tough thing to deal with.

I'm sure you'll have  a great time though!


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: riverstrange]
    #19115433 - 11/10/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would shoot halfway between your first and second dose amount.  That is a good place to start I would say to give you a decent level of experience without having that feeling like you didn't take enough or wasted it by taking too little.  I don't know for sure if dosage advice is allowed here so I will leave you with that. 

I would hold off on the Klonopin but definitely have it nearby.  Im not sure what dose you are on but I would take out a certain amount and put it where it is accessible.  If it were me I would have like .5 sitting there that way if I decide to take it I can without having to rummage through the bottle and figure out how much to take.  This is the best way to avoid taking too much without realizing it.

The smoking weed thing is up to your preference.  Some people say it adds to the trip some say it takes something away.  I feel it dulls it a bit but thats just because you are stoned all of a sudden.  If you have a history of panic attacks with both substances I wouldn't risk adding them together. 

I huge thing I would like to mention is discussing this with your trip partners in advance.  If you don't want to smoke, tell them.  Make them understand that it can cause you anxiety and you are choosing not to smoke.  This way when they light up they won't pressure you into smoking as well.  Feeling left out and having them pressure you into it will lead to bad things.  If they are cool people they will understand why not to do this.  I would also like to suggest having at least a general idea about how you are going to spend your time.  Being adventurous and just planning as you go a long is fun sometimes but not if you are new and have anxiety.  Sitting there trying to come up with ideas of what to do or where to go may make you feel uncomfortable if you absolutely cannot think of anything.  It may sound weird but I've been sent into a nervous state by being with someone who was asking repeatedly "what do you want to do?" ,etc. I could barely control my racing thoughts already so trying to focus on how to entertain them and myself lead to some anxiety issues. 

Just my thoughts, I could probably add more but don't want to go on and write a novel on here. 

Good luck dude and have fun.  You have already experienced what you feel is a bad trip and you survived it.  If it happens again just remind yourself, "hey I've been here before...I took shrooms to purpose to feel this way..."  Its amazing how sometimes all you need to do is talk to yourself to change a bad stressful trip situation into a great one in just a few seconds.


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: SgtPepperNo9]
    #19115447 - 11/10/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

WTF! Do not take benzo's before a trip or days before a trip. You can have some on hand in case a trip becomes too much. If you need to take a Benzo before dosing, then tripping just isn't for you, and you should not be taking psychs. Psychs most definitely are not for everyone.


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #19115456 - 11/10/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I used to take like half of one before taking mushrooms and it always worked out fine for me. I find this advice funny from someone who frequently suggests that drinking before taking mushrooms is a good idea. Why do you feel so strongly against benzos for that same purpose?


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19115480 - 11/10/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Drinking and benzo's have completely different effects. I like to smoke copious amounts of weed before and during a trip as well and it increases the effect. I do not take things that will DECREASE the affect of shrooms. If you are so afraid of tripping that you need a pharmaceutical then just don't bother with them. I often drink before I smoke weed, but not always and I smoke weed on trips because it greatly increases the trips strength. Going into a trip with fear on your mind (I need a benzo) is just a horrible way to go into the experience. You feel having 2 Heinekens before I eat a handful of dry and unpleasant tasting mushrooms is unreasonable then whatever.


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #19115485 - 11/10/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't suggest it was unreasonable. I just was curious why you drew the line where you did.

For me, small doses of benzos harmonize much better with a psychedelic mindstate than alcohol does. I guess we're all different.

I don't look at it as a fear thing, more of a "taking the edge off" kind of thing. I don't do it anymore though because I don't really need any edge taken off anymore.


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19115768 - 11/10/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, it makes complete sense that everyone will have different ways of approaching it - If having a couple beers before tripping suits some people, great!  I've never tried it, maybe I'd like it too.

I would not say I'm asking about benzos out of fear, though.  I'm not afraid of tripping..  I'm very excited about it and I really do feel that I'm in the right state of mind now.  I'm just also very aware of what happened before, and the fact that it *could* happen again.  My mindset is different than it was before, but I still have very limited experience taking shrooms, so I don't know for sure that it won't happen no matter how great I feel otherwise.  I'm looking for a good way to manage the chance that things *could* go bad.  But I am not afraid - if I was, you're right, I wouldn't bother at all.  What would be the point of that?

Thank you all for the insight!  I'll be with three other people, two of them will be tripping with me and one will be sitting.  They are all people I trust.  I don't believe they will pressure me to smoke weed if I make it clear that I don't want to..  I'm just wondering if it's really so paramount to the experience, since they seem to think so.  But obviously everyone is really different.


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Re: Trying to have my first "good" trip [Re: riverstrange]
    #19115811 - 11/10/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have had great trips with a very low dose of benzos that left the trip still there but with no anxiety


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