|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: my3rdeye]
#19117228 - 11/10/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
my3rdeye said: I have no HPPD despite hundreds and hundeds of LSD/mushroom trips over 25 years. Don't know any people IRL with it either. See alot of young people online who think they do, I think it's alot of hysteria. The numbers of people who say they have it has gone way up, but the number of people taking LSD has gone way down. Where was all this HPPD in the 70's and 80s when LSD was plentiful?
I think a big part of it nowadays is all the RCs that people are experimenting with.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
tokerL
Registered: 09/24/13
Posts: 47
Last seen: 6 years, 9 months
|
|
if my "Hallucinogen perception" really "persisted" then i'd be listening to The Wall all the time dude but all i get is noise and afterimages? what a rip, quit whining about it
|
MagicalOrangutan
Curious Cat



Registered: 06/29/12
Posts: 3,538
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: tokerL]
#19117509 - 11/10/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
It's mainly stuff that you would've noticed before ever tripping if you were looking for it
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
|
JacksonMetaller
Stranger

Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 13,361
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
|
Op I think extremrly mild degrees of it are pretty common, but you would be pretty damn unlucky to get a full blown case that makes it difficult to function right. Second pf all, remembre that you see moré cases online because affected people are more likely to seek answers and obsess than non affected people. They are by no means the majority. Lastly LSD is not more likely to cause it than any other drug.
I spent a lot of time freaking out about it but the more you trip the less you care. Tripping becomes a lifestyle and being connected to that becomes less problematic
|
Universe
Friend


Registered: 05/27/13
Posts: 1,161
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19119252 - 11/11/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
physicist said: A lot of what people claim is HPPD, is really just optical illusions. I remember as a kid staring at those magic eye pictures trying to find the image and seeing similar stuff that others call HPPD. I think some of it is never noticed until after people try psychedelics. 
I was gonna say the same exact thing.
|
WindSearcher
Stranger

Registered: 07/15/13
Posts: 33
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: Universe]
#19119276 - 11/11/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I have subtle hppd sometimes. But as said before I also have the feeling of being aware of more subtle things that I didn't notice before (or didn't remember noticing), like things happening in my peripheral vision. That said, sometimes there are minor visual distortions that are related to (I think) infrequent tripping over the past year.
-------------------- -Space does not offer truth and neither does it lie-
Edited by WindSearcher (11/11/13 07:18 AM)
|
Kief Ledger
Stranger

Registered: 11/10/11
Posts: 1,784
Last seen: 7 months, 18 days
|
|
I notice more visual effects after excessive psychdelic use. Mainly from LSD. But nothing that interferes with everyday life. (Besides "whoa that was pretty cool). Mainly tracers are more apparent, floaters, and colored dots in my peripheral. As others have stated already, i chalk this up to you simply paying more attention to what your seeing(they were always there), and possibly still being in a slightly trippy mind state.
Normally I notice them just enough to wonder if I'm imagining it, but for instance , the weekend before last, I was at a festival, and tripped 3 days in a row on L. Re dosing 2 days at about the 4 hr mark. I also rolled 2 days, so I'm sure that didn't help. Last week my hppd was ramped way up, especially when i smoke (been pretty much smoking exclusively hash lately). But its kinda pretty much back to normal( whatever that is). So I'd say binging definitely adds to it, but I've yet to have any effects that cause me any problems. In fact its usually brings a smile to my face
|
JacksonMetaller
Stranger

Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 13,361
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said:
Quote:
my3rdeye said: I have no HPPD despite hundreds and hundeds of LSD/mushroom trips over 25 years. Don't know any people IRL with it either. See alot of young people online who think they do, I think it's alot of hysteria. The numbers of people who say they have it has gone way up, but the number of people taking LSD has gone way down. Where was all this HPPD in the 70's and 80s when LSD was plentiful?
I think a big part of it nowadays is all the RCs that people are experimenting with.
I don't really see why RC's would be more prone to HPPD than the classics. They're really all the same thing. Not to say there aren't a few questionable ones like 2c-i. But many RC's bear similar risks to the classics. Though i can see where things like reverse tolerance in 2c-x's and really cheap nbomes have led people to dose far too frequently. Most of the bad HPPD stories i've heard start with "I was dosing 2c-e every other day for about 3 weeks."
I honestly think the biggest part of it is the internet. Back in the day, HPPD was probably something you only heard about once in a blue moon because minor visuals were never questioned. Now with the DSM IV diagnoses, hppdonline forum chalk full of horror stories, etc, every kid and their mother thinks they have it. When i mention this kind of stuff to IRL friends almost all of them give me a double take. None of them really spend their time on forums so they're not exposed to the idea of it. A very few of them have experienced it after periods of abuse, but usually it lasted a few weeks at most
|
Pureless
Crushed it


Registered: 07/16/12
Posts: 1,979
Loc: Blueridge
Last seen: 8 years, 11 months
|
|
Funny I run into this thread, just recently i've been seeing the ground as wavy, like you just got off a boat or coming down off a trip. It only happens in the morning though, usually while I smoke a cig first thing. Its happened every day for the past 2 weeks or so. I used to literally hallucinate when I had a fever as a child, it was absolutely terrifying, heard voices, vivid open eye hallucinations, closing my eyes was just out of the question. It was pretty scary stuff. Maybe i'm running a hot temp in the morning....
I do mushies rarely and smoke every day, I take ADD med focalin rarely, yeah i've done tons of psychedelics, to me it seems unrelated to drugs but who knows ive been taking these same drugs probably for 8 years and nothing like this has happened..... anyways ive been trying to ignore it.
FWI I assure you none of this is an optical allusion. I literally stared at the street right in front of me this morning and it was breathing, like coming up on some mushrooms without the body high I suppose. Its not like it only happens with carpets with patterns or something like that.
Edited by Pureless (11/11/13 09:24 AM)
|
nicechrisman
Interdimensional space wizard



Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 33,241
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
|
|
Quote:
JacksonMetaller said:
Quote:
nicechrisman said:
Quote:
my3rdeye said: I have no HPPD despite hundreds and hundeds of LSD/mushroom trips over 25 years. Don't know any people IRL with it either. See alot of young people online who think they do, I think it's alot of hysteria. The numbers of people who say they have it has gone way up, but the number of people taking LSD has gone way down. Where was all this HPPD in the 70's and 80s when LSD was plentiful?
I think a big part of it nowadays is all the RCs that people are experimenting with.
I don't really see why RC's would be more prone to HPPD than the classics. They're really all the same thing. Not to say there aren't a few questionable ones like 2c-i. But many RC's bear similar risks to the classics. Though i can see where things like reverse tolerance in 2c-x's and really cheap nbomes have led people to dose far too frequently. Most of the bad HPPD stories i've heard start with "I was dosing 2c-e every other day for about 3 weeks."
I honestly think the biggest part of it is the internet. Back in the day, HPPD was probably something you only heard about once in a blue moon because minor visuals were never questioned. Now with the DSM IV diagnoses, hppdonline forum chalk full of horror stories, etc, every kid and their mother thinks they have it. When i mention this kind of stuff to IRL friends almost all of them give me a double take. None of them really spend their time on forums so they're not exposed to the idea of it. A very few of them have experienced it after periods of abuse, but usually it lasted a few weeks at most
The main reason I suppose this is because the classics have been tried for many years by many people. Some of our grandparents could have tried LSD back in the day. We've seen the long term effects of these substances. Nobody knows the possible long term side effects of many of these newer substances that are circulating these days. We can make educated guesses, but they are still guesses at best.
-------------------- "Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lily
|
JacksonMetaller
Stranger

Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 13,361
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
|
Quote:
nicechrisman said:
The main reason I suppose this is because the classics have been tried for many years by many people. Some of our grandparents could have tried LSD back in the day. We've seen the long term effects of these substances. Nobody knows the possible long term side effects of many of these newer substances that are circulating these days. We can make educated guesses, but they are still guesses at best.
True. I'm not saying we can suppose they are all completely harmless, but i haven't really seen any evidence to support the idea that they cause HPPD more frequently than the classics. There might be a few exceptions like some of the more radical chemical structures like nbomes. But for the majority, they seem to not cause it any more frequently than the classics as far as i can tell. I honestly think the biggest factors in HPPD are a) pure fucking luck b) length of exposure c) depth of exposure. High and frequent dosing seem to cause it the most. Short lasting drugs like DMT seem to rarely cause it at all, though longer lasting brews like ayahuasca are known to cause it with repeated exposure. Some people tend to think LSD and mescaline cause it more than mushrooms. Again, longer experiences = more exposure.
As far as RC's go, the only time i tend to notice increased HPPD trends is in people who are binging on them because they are cheap and novel.
So not saying RC's are "safe." But I really don't think it's the biggest factor when talking about HPPD. Even with the huge increase of people claiming to have it, if you actually ask them about it they will describe very normal phenomena. Ie, static, floaters, "things move slightly if i stare at it for 30 seconds". I think it's like a majority of ADHD cases. Something you would never think was an issue until it was a classified disorder and promoted to the masses as problematic
Edited by JacksonMetaller (11/11/13 10:13 AM)
|
PrimalSoup
hyperspatial illuminations



Registered: 11/17/09
Posts: 13,568
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: Pureless]
#19120337 - 11/11/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
FWI I assure you none of this is an optical allusion. I literally stared at the street right in front of me this morning and it was breathing, like coming up on some mushrooms without the body high I suppose. Its not like it only happens with carpets with patterns or something like that.
Try not staring at it, it's likely caused by the eye saccades you're trying to suppress...
PS
--------------------
if you stand too close to the machine it'll start to eat youPrimal's simple tested teks and projects: Wheat Prep 2.0 Acidic Tea Tek Potency Project!
|
theRAPeutic
Hueman


Registered: 07/22/13
Posts: 8,702
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19139477 - 11/15/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think it would be fair to say that HPPD is all genetic. Some people never get it, some after only one time, and others after years.
|
Absent Minded



Registered: 04/13/12
Posts: 3,300
Loc: Way Down South
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: theRAPeutic]
#19140103 - 11/15/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I've certainly got some visual lingering affects. Ever since my first few trips, possibly my first, IDK, can't remember that far back, honestly  But yeah, sober, I surely get visuals. warping/breathing/etc. It's certainly not as intense as when tripping (thank fuck), but it's still there. Personally I dig it. If I get real stoned it comes on even stronger, sometimes pretty close to as hard as on L. It's a good time
--------------------
Beats More Beats sheekle: fuck peace love and unity sheekle: death despair and misery sheekle: is where it's at
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa



Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 27 days
|
|
Had this before the first tripp, but after it stopped...
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
Concealed
Stranger
Registered: 11/15/13
Posts: 3
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
|
Re: Every tripper has HPPD? [Re: Icyus]
#19140972 - 11/15/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
After smoking synthetic cannabis for quite a bit of time I started to notice that instead of getting a flanging visual that you would normally associate with DXM or so (which I got with weed, spice or whatever) I got billions of multi-colored dots shifting in textures slight warping that almost reminds me of a somewhat low dose of 25c-NBOMe (my experience in psychedelics isnt the most varied but i've done my fair share so I kind of understand what visuals are) anyways This has lingered, on aPVP it's pretty apparent too. I havent had alot of access since this started happening so I cant give you a complete description on how each drug affects these visuals. It just started happening pretty randomly after getting pretty deep into spice. And I dont know but maybe smoking it on 25i-NBOMe might of perma'd it. It's def not that bad though just other drugs intensify it. No depression or depersonalization derealization or anything considering that my ego had massively dissolved pretty recently during when it started. I dont know if it would of changed anything though. I kind of think it's cool that I can trip with stronger visuals on psychs but I havent tried any but 25i since it started D:
|
|