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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19114320 - 11/10/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have trouble even forming coherent sentences in my mind. The words all jumble as I begin to think, I slurr and stutter in my own mind. I probably miss half of the words that I read so in lieu of my cognitive impairment I improvise and find like things written by others and quote where I see it may be relative. Everything I do outside of shits and giggles is mainly trying to establish that one pointedness. Since people have shown favor to the things that I quote at times; is one reason I keep doing it. It helps train my brain as well, reading, writing, pondering. If there is a general consensus that really wants me to stop then I will but tis only life anyway. I've got a thousand and one things I could stress over that would seem more appropriate then disliking the thoughts/actions of others(not that I don't still do it). I really don't know anyones intentions and I don't really know what is happening behind the scene. I can gleam with my peepers and my subjective tastes/opinions that form what I think i'm perceiving as firm and based in reality but where there is perception there is deception.


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Sse]
    #19114344 - 11/10/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

we are all possessed by our thoughts :-)

as long as we have thoughts we are never free, we only think we are


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Sse]
    #19114349 - 11/10/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I enjoy your posts


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Sse]
    #19114388 - 11/10/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sse said:
I have trouble even forming coherent sentences in my mind. The words all jumble as I begin to think, I slurr and stutter in my own mind. I probably miss half of the words that I read so in lieu of my cognitive impairment I improvise and find like things written by others and quote where I see it may be relative. Everything I do outside of shits and giggles is mainly trying to establish that one pointedness. Since people have shown favor to the things that I quote at times; is one reason I keep doing it. It helps train my brain as well, reading, writing, pondering. If there is a general consensus that really wants me to stop then I will but tis only life anyway. I've got a thousand and one things I could stress over that would seem more appropriate then disliking the thoughts/actions of others. I really don't know anyones intentions and I don't really know what is happening behind the scene. I can gleam with my peepers and my subjective tastes/opinions that form what I think i'm perceiving as firm and based in reality but where there is perception there is deception.




That was coherent enough.  Well, in your favor, at least your copying is from interesting sources. It's not like you're coming here copupasting shit from the fucking koran and bible and browbeating us into submission.  Also, my comment wasn't about you per se.  But xtc. 

There is something called breakdown of metaphor.  A metaphor can't be used beyond it's specific allegory or else it breaks down. So also the thoughts in a thread breakdown outside of it. So don't be offended Sse.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: lessismore]
    #19114402 - 11/10/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

true that, they really can "creep in and take over"

and thx chrisman, a few people have thanked me for them... I try not to flood the board but sometimes I may get carried away.


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19114417 - 11/10/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thx man, if you were to have any length of conversation with me in person you would see what I mean, its better then it has been. Certain things like green tea or kratom do help me cognate a bit easier. The piracetam was working wonders for me but after a while it doesn't sit well with me.

tbh im having trouble comprehending the last part. ill come back and google everything :p


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19114437 - 11/10/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When one has lost all concept of the self, of what everyday objects are, when they look out the window at night and see everything that has ever happened and ever will in each and every single atom; all of which seem separate yet intrinsically linked, I think you can assume you have encountered egodeath.

I had been lurking on this site and after a long course of "heroic doses" during one trip there was no me, I gradually remembered what a human was, what a house was, what a roof is for and why we use them. When this has happened to you and you do some reading to try and work out what the hell just happened, you end up with a name like mine a lot of questions and in most cases anxiety I would imagine.

The cessation of all things, including visuals at the peak of a 7g+ trip, is beyond explanation. I am not sure if my ego "died" but the self and all knowledge and awareness of it was certainly absent for a couple of hours.

To say that ego death isn't permanent and therefore doesn't exist seems fatuous, what about the reincarnation of the self?

I kind of had to chime in on this thread, based on my ego-ridden screen name. :wink:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Sse]
    #19114452 - 11/10/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Sse said:
true that, they really can "creep in and take over"

and thx chrisman, a few people have thanked me for them... I try not to flood the board but sometimes I may get carried away.




only if we forget to meditate...


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: lessismore]
    #19115184 - 11/10/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

si gotta churn the butter


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
instant
"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: hTx]
    #19115299 - 11/10/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why so serious?! We're really lovely...underneath it all.

How can you be so sure? What about psychopaths?


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #19115339 - 11/10/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

underneath personality there is no disorder? maybeee seems reasonable


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
instant
"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Sse]
    #19119069 - 11/11/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Unless the universe/consciousness itself is disordered :wink:

From what I see that would be my guess. :satansmoking:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #19119919 - 11/11/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

heheh could very well be... but maybe only from another disorderedly perspective

but without perspective who's to say

with no thought to be confused or ill then no disorder I guess

pure consciousness without regard sounds sane and peaceful... begin to speak about it and you may be disordered, maybe... words can only portray so much


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Sse]
    #19125265 - 11/12/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Disclaimer: I haven't read every post in this thread so I apologise if I'm reiterating what others have already said.

I think it's clear that through popular usage, the term 'ego death' has been fragmented in its definition, it means many things to different people. I personally use the term to mean the following:

Ego death is when one's sense of 'self' dissolves and you lose awareness of your existence as a separate entity. You lose awareness of your body and the identity (ego) which you've formed. The 'ego death' experience happens at the peak of a trip and does not last beyond the effects of the drug. What does last however, is the memory and realisation that an ego-less experience of reality is possible.

The first time this happened to me, I panicked as I realised I could not remember my own name, and my responsibilities. My language faculties began to fail and I was left with nothing but raw sensory experience with no internal narrative to attempt to understand it. I was floating in a psychedelic aether with no end in sight but 'I' was not there, only the experience. This loss of my personal identity was of course alarming and I was convinced that "this must be death".


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Libertin]
    #19125271 - 11/12/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I experienced similar things on LSD, Salvia, Shrooms, I  never thought of it as ego death. I just realized that my brain was being made to fart. :haha:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #19125292 - 11/12/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, the identity factor of the personality perhaps opens up to identify less with the physical body but the identity still exists to even have the notion of unlocalized universal, etc....


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19125371 - 11/12/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's what I noticed but I'm more observant and critical in my thinking most likely. :imspecial:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19125895 - 11/12/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Yeah, the identity factor of the personality perhaps opens up to identify less with the physical body but the identity still exists to even have the notion of unlocalized universal, etc....




yeah but just because an identity exists doesn't mean that's what you totally are...the fact that you become aware of an identity as such is already a step in the right direction. and i have found that as the process continues there will definately be moments when no sense of a 'person' is there at all...it's really a very natural feeling.

and then there's times when you still intuitively feel like an individual, but experientially actions are just occurring, almost like you aren't exercising any control over them, and that too is like ego death because it shows you just how little control the ego actually has. going with the cosmic flow ~~~


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: g00ru]
    #19126526 - 11/12/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There's no need to judge other people's progress along the path to enlightenment just because you perceive yourself to be further along on that path.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: kneesocks]
    #19126775 - 11/12/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i don't think i was judging him at all, just responding lol. i'm not gonna hold back in what i say...


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