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starfire_xes
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#19114312 - 11/10/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Answer the following questions according to your viewpoint of rights.
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psyconaught
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please clarify. Are you asking how it should be or how it currently is?
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Im just asking opinion. Whatever the person believes.
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well the answer could vary thus changing the results of the polls. for instance i don't think rights should ever be able to be taken away. But currently they can be
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I can't vote now because I cast a blank vote before
Also, I would say that my answers would vary depending on the actual context of the rights in question.
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Re: Rights [Re: Synthe]
#19114482 - 11/10/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The answer will vary depending on what a person thinks a right is.
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psyconaught
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Thats my point. It will skew the results unless we have some kind of standardization.
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My poll point wasn't designed to give consistent results. It was to get a feeling of how people perceive rights.
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Simplicitry
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psyconaught said: please clarify. Are you asking how it should be or how it currently is?
That's what I thought. I answered the way I thought it should be even though that has no basis in reality
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Your first question was difficult, I have argued with Phred extensively some time ago about it. You only have the rights you can secure and they can only be secured through government. If you think you have rights outside of a government structure try it sometime. If you can't exercise them you don't have them and the only way you can exercise them, unless you are Attila, is through the government.
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"Working and Earning Income Obligates A Person To Pay For Others Rights"

Man, I was really thinking this thread would be about rights, not another thread where you express your butthurt over social welfare.
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The social welfare bums think they have a right to my money. That is a legit question regarding property rights and you more than anyone else are the exemplar of that.
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zappaisgod said: The social welfare bums think they have a right to my money. That is a legit question regarding property rights and you more than anyone else are the exemplar of that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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psyconaught said: please clarify. Are you asking how it should be or how it currently is?
That's what I thought. I answered the way I thought it should be even though that has no basis in reality
Just like a lot of the things you say.
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zappaisgod said: The social welfare bums think they have a right to my money. That is a legit question regarding property rights and you more than anyone else are the exemplar of that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Let me clarify it for you
The social welfare bums think they have a right to take my property for their own uses
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No, I meant the second part. You didn't clarify shit.
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I like this poll. Its good to know there are other like minded people that think the same.
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What other kind of like-minded people would there be?
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The government, of course, gives rights...at least some of them. A right to own property, for instance, can only exist within the context of a government that recognizes property rights.
I'd love to know who the geniuses are that think inanimate objects have rights.
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Re: Rights [Re: Enlil]
#19116184 - 11/10/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The government, of course, gives rights...at least some of them. A right to own property, for instance, can only exist within the context of a government that recognizes property rights.
I'd love to know who the geniuses are that think inanimate objects have rights.
property rights maybe? Because your property is inanimate?
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fortydubz said: I like this poll. Its good to know there are other like minded people that think the same.
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zappaisgod said: The social welfare bums think they have a right to my money. That is a legit question regarding property rights and you more than anyone else are the exemplar of that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Let me clarify it for you
The social welfare bums think they have a right to take my property for their own uses
Why do you make it out as if they think you personally owe them? I would assume the mentality is more "well, the government will give me free money, so why not take it?" not "OH ZAPPAS MONIES IS MINE NOW!"
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Re: Rights [Re: Synthe]
#19116248 - 11/10/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He views taxation as theft. There is no arguing with him on this point.
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Property rights and rights humans have to own property..not rights the property has.
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psyconaught said: please clarify. Are you asking how it should be or how it currently is?
That's what I thought. I answered the way I thought it should be even though that has no basis in reality
Just like a lot of the things you say.
I was simply stating that I don't think every human's full rights are honored by our current government (to clarify for the Obama bots in the room I don't just mean the current Administration either) but you got your chance to be clever, so good for you
Ridicule if that's how you deal with being wrong all the time but do you agree? Or do you believe people's rights are perfectly respected and protected by our government?
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Re: Rights [Re: Enlil]
#19116320 - 11/10/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How is saying that many of the things you say have no basis in reality ridicule you?
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Mush4Brains said: No, I meant the second part. You didn't clarify shit.
Oh you mean about whether you are or not a social welfare................... advocate?
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Re: Rights [Re: Synthe]
#19116379 - 11/10/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Synthe said:
Why do you make it out as if they think you personally owe them? I would assume the mentality is more "well, the government will give me free money, so why not take it?" not "OH ZAPPAS MONIES IS MINE NOW!"

Because I'm the one paying the bill
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Mush4Brains said: How is saying that many of the things you say have no basis in reality ridicule you?
I won't lose any sleep over that. Avoiding the question?
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Mush4Brains said: No, I meant the second part. You didn't clarify shit.
Oh you mean about whether you are or not a social welfare................... advocate?
Are you sure that is what you meant?
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Why do you make it out as if they think you personally owe them? I would assume the mentality is more "well, the government will give me free money, so why not take it?" not "OH ZAPPAS MONIES IS MINE NOW!"

Because I'm the one paying the bill
YOU PAY THE ENTIRE BILL?
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Mush4Brains said: No, I meant the second part. You didn't clarify shit.
Oh you mean about whether you are or not a social welfare................... advocate?
Are you sure that is what you meant?
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Why do you make it out as if they think you personally owe them? I would assume the mentality is more "well, the government will give me free money, so why not take it?" not "OH ZAPPAS MONIES IS MINE NOW!"

Because I'm the one paying the bill
YOU PAY THE ENTIRE BILL?
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Mush4Brains said: He views taxation as theft. There is no arguing with him on this point.
Taxation is theft, legalized theft but theft all the same. I wish they would do away with automatic withholding and forced people to write checks at the end of the year, that way people would realize how much money the State is stealing from them.
Of course, they won't do that, withholding was put in place for precisely that reason. You don't miss the money if you never really see it.
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Re: Rights [Re: setb]
#19119090 - 11/11/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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setb said: Taxation is theft, legalized theft but theft all the same.
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Of course, they won't do that, withholding was put in place for precisely that reason. You don't miss the money if you never really see it.
If there wasn't withholding, far fewer people would pay voluntarily, and the IRS would have to be larger than it already is to enforce the tax code.
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Our rights are guaranteed by the second amendment, it is the people that give the constitution and rights authori-tay. The government only exists because the people permit it to.
its like baseball. You can bring people together and play. You need rules of course (constitution), maybe ground rules when decided upon (amendments). You certainly don't need an MLB or an NCAA to have a good game. You might if you want a deeper league so to speak.
government has its place but it seems like its overstepping its bounds, and it looks like it's going to get worse before it gets better.
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