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Monopolies cannot exist in a free market. And if i as a business owner want to purchase another business that completes against me why do you have the right to tell me i cannot do that?

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Monopolies cannot exist in a free market. And if i as a business owner want to purchase another business that completes against me why do you have the right to tell me i cannot do that?

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There is no law against telling you to do that. What is illegal, is buying out EVERY OTHER BUSINESS in the industry. But against buying a business, or buying numerous businesses, there is no law against that.

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can you provide a source that shows monsanto owns seeds that they did not modify at all? And your wrong. Monsanto does not own the idea of corn being fed to farm animals

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My ex grew up on a dairy farm and is the one who told me about Monsanto owning the corn feed.

The Monsanto corporation owning seeds was on a PBS documentary that I saw a couple of years ago. Look it up on PBS, they have all of their documentaries online for free. They have a couple documentaries on Monsanto but I think I saw it around 2009 or 2010.

I can't remember if it was Food Inc. or Seeds of Death or The World According to Monsanto. I looked at a preview of all of them, and they don't look like any of these videos

This video does cover Monsanto's patent on seeds though. It also talks about how these grains are used for animal feed: http://video.pbs.org/video/2336662669/

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Monopolies cannot exist in a free market. And if i as a business owner want to purchase another business that completes against me why do you have the right to tell me i cannot do that?

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There is no law against telling you to do that. What is illegal, is buying out EVERY OTHER BUSINESS in the industry. But against buying a business, or buying numerous businesses, there is no law against that.

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I know there is no law. Your asserting it is wrong to purchase competition though.

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im not gonna spend a day watching documentaries to possibly prove your point that is most likely wrong. The supreme court ruled that naturally occurring genes cannot be patented. I've lived and worked on farms as well. There are a myriad of locally produced corn feeds in my area.

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I used to think capitalism was good back when I was a kid, then I got a little older and started doing research for myself and I realized there are way better options, such as a Resource Based Economy

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indeed i have been looking for system like thisits alot like the one i read recently inm a kim stanley robertson book "2312" (great writer!!) the main difference was he used cpu's to decide since they wouldnt be biased in their decisions because they can't..  but how could we even start to get a resource based economy party hmmm??

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Monopolies cannot exist in a free market. And if i as a business owner want to purchase another business that completes against me why do you have the right to tell me i cannot do that?

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There is no law against telling you to do that. What is illegal, is buying out EVERY OTHER BUSINESS in the industry. But against buying a business, or buying numerous businesses, there is no law against that.

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I know there is no law. Your asserting it is wrong to purchase competition though.

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I am not saying it is wrong, I am saying it is unlikely that cheap competition would likely exist, since large businesses would simply buy out all their other competitors. Or they would conspire together to all artificially inflate prices for higher profits, which also, is illegal and monitored by the URS.

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im not gonna spend a day watching documentaries to possibly prove your point that is most likely wrong. The supreme court ruled that naturally occurring genes cannot be patented. I've lived and worked on farms as well. There are a myriad of locally produced corn feeds in my area.

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So they ruled against the farmer: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/13/183603368/supreme-court-rules-for-monsanto-in-case-against-farmer

Because the whole argument was that even formerly modified genes grow and reproduce naturally for generations and generations.

Then there was that farmer in Canada whose neighbor was using Monsanto seeds, and the wind blew onto his farm combining his seeds with Monsanto's, extending in a lengthy court battle.

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what would happen if a product randomly became astronomically priced? You wouldn't buy it. So the companies would either have to lower the prices or someone would come along and create a competing product.

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those are besides the point. For what its worth i agree with you on those aspects. But your side stepping the fact that you claimed monsanto patents naturally occurring seeds, which they do not. I proved you wrong and now your changing the subject.

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Then there was that farmer in Canada whose neighbor was using Monsanto seeds, and the wind blew onto his farm combining his seeds with Monsanto's, extending in a lengthy court battle.

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This may be true though even the Liberals nowadays have a conservative point of view. So in this two party system the only two options I have are conservative or more conservative? I don't adhere to that message. I believe if we keep letting the corporations control things, our country will be struggling for a long time. Plus I'm not going to let some rich assholes brain wash me for their own benefit. If I saw these people in person I would go up to them and say "Go fuck yourself"

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you don't understand how capitalism creates technological innovation? 

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you don't understand how capitalism creates technological innovation? 

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You don't understand how government creates technological advances either?

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Did I say it did it better?

Capitalism will only invest in research that it thinks will make it a profit.  Government will invest in fundamental research to further our knowledge on a subject, even if it won't pay off immediately.

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