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Offlinepsyconaught
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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19114000 - 11/10/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.






In California its cheaper to buy in the produce section and eat fresh produce and fruit rather than processed crap.



only if you think in the long term. Most people don't have the mental capacity for delayed gratification though. You can spend one dollar on a burger or spend a few dollars on bulk beans and rice and eat for pennies each meal.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114021 - 11/10/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.



I'll be honest here, I'm pretty skeptical. 

You find that source?



http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/1/6.full



Where does it say welfare pays $25/hour tho?

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Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.






In California its cheaper to buy in the produce section and eat fresh produce and fruit rather than processed crap.



only if you think in the long term. Most people don't have the mental capacity for delayed gratification though. You can spend one dollar on a burger or spend a few dollars on bulk beans and rice and eat for pennies each meal.



True that, but a lot of people think meal-to-meal instead of planning ahead a week. Not to mention, you can't really feed your kid rice and beans every night :shrug:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114024 - 11/10/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously, beans and rice with perhaps an onion, some garlic, and peppers. Cheap cheap cheap and very nutritious.

Heck, when squash is in season it's like ~20 cents a pound, sometimes less. Get an acorn squash, cut it in half and fill it with seasoned beans and rice- that feeds two people.
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True that, but a lot of people think meal-to-meal instead of planning ahead a week. Not to mention, you can't really feed your kid rice and beans every night




Everyone should plan their meals ahead, especily if you don't have a lot of money. Rice and beans is just an example. I have some inexpensive pork shoulder in my crock pot right now with some apples and onions. That will feed me for a while with some collard greens, etc.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: setb]
    #19114027 - 11/10/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good thought, but I can't imagine eating it more than a few times in a row without getting really sick of the taste.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: setb]
    #19114037 - 11/10/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I live in one of the most expensive places in the country.  I can buy a whole roast chicken at the super market for $6.  It is better than I can make at home without getting fancy.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19114079 - 11/10/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously? Your augment against eating health and cheaply is that the kids might get picky? Fuck that, if your poor eat what you can afford. I survive because i eat cheaply and well.

heres the source, i thought you were asking for a source on the obesity statement.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/02/on-labor-day-2013-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-work-in-35-states/

i apologize for the generalized statement that all states were 25 an hour. Just some, though most states it appears are around 15 or more an hour


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114087 - 11/10/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Reply to fail.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19114089 - 11/10/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19114148 - 11/10/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Reply to fail.




fixed it for ya  :thumbup:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114163 - 11/10/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?



i know plenty of people who survive on mim wage. Walk to work, don't own a car, get a room mate. Move to a cheaper fucking city, start your own business. Theres plenty of option.

Unlike you i don't think people are useless pieces of shit who need the government to hold their hand in order to live.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114284 - 11/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hammburgler said:
Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.




Costs have not gone up over the last 30 years relative to wages.  Stop whining
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Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.




Where does it do that?  Most of the country.  Why should you have a car if you suck so much that make minimum wage?
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Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.




There you go.  You live in Philly, a rather expensive city.  Why should people in Iowa be under the same rules as you.  And oh by the way, if all you can earn in Philly is minimum wage maybe you should consider one of two things.  Moving or making more money.  Clearly there is some suckitude going on, either you are making a bad decision about where to live within your means or you are making a bad decision about how to met your needs.
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Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.




I suggest you learn new skills working on a construction crew.  You get paid while you learn and it is more than minimum wage.
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Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".




Yes, I know.  They are all expensive.  Why do you think you have a right to have your residence in those expensive places subsidized?
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Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?




He is considering changing his taxable income to get on the dole.  That is all that needs to be pointed out.  Bums and BumCare.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114290 - 11/10/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
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Hammburgler said:
Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?



i know plenty of people who survive on mim wage. Walk to work, don't own a car, get a room mate. Move to a cheaper fucking city, start your own business. Theres plenty of option.

Unlike you i don't think people are useless pieces of shit who need the government to hold their hand in order to live.


Some of them are useless pieces of shit


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114317 - 11/10/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you can spout that shit all you want but facts are facts and your solutions are just not realistic alternatives to most people nor do they fit the economy of the country. I'm sure you are just going to come back at me with some more nonsense talk so dont be offended if I'm getting tired from having to explain how the world really works to people who have such limited experience and small world views as to infer that everyone can just pick up and leave to another lower costing city and it would all just work out you know...I just wont be replying unless of course someone has some hard facts that they can come up with that proves my assertions to be false.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19114341 - 11/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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psyconaught said:
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Hammburgler said:
Oh really? Is that why the cost of living has gone up so much over the last 30 years? Because companies are able to keep their costs down and therefore their prices so that they can benefit the consumer? Dont even attempt to say that people make more money now and it evens out because that would be untrue.

Where does 7.25 an hour feed you,keep a roof over your head,pay the bills and cover transportation? lets do the math. 7.25 an hour will let you bring home about 47 dollars a day after taxes which equals 235 dollars a week or $940 a month. I would imagine that the average person spends at least $200 monthly on food and that is assuming all food is cooked at home. If a person lives in the city and has access to public transportation a monthly transpass is about $100 per month. If that person does not have access to public transportation and needs a vehicle then gas at $3.80 a gallon costs about $60-70 a tank x2 tanks per month=$135. for gas + at the very least $40 for insurance=$175 not counting general maintenance.
Rent, because a person who makes minimum wage simply does not own a house. Since I live in philadelphia and there are hundreds of thousands of people making minimum wage here making it relevant I will use data from todays newspaper. Ok...get this, if you want to live in the absolute worst drug infested and dangerous part of the city rent is $550 for a 1 br appt.
Are you still doing the math? right now we are down to $15 and we haven't even started on gas, electric, phone, medicine, clothing or very importantly education. I say education because you seem to be very big on people removing themselves from the "government tit" and it is quite difficult to do that when you don't learn any new skills.
Now I know all this must be shocking to you and you probably think I'm just fudging the numbers to support my case but I assure you the opposite is true. I wish it didn't cost so much just to survive but it does. And just in case you think the quote for rent I stated is relevant only to Philadelphia I urge you to investigate other cities across the U.S like NY, CHI, LA and then imagine the millions of people who work at your Wallmarts, Targets, Macys, Grocery stores and restaurants making minimum wage who have to keep a roof over their heads and ask yourself if you were in that situation if you would be "on the government tit".
Also did you not read the part where the guy is considering contributing more to his IRA to reduce his taxable income or are you just one of those guys who only remembers the parts that pump up their own hate filled agenda?



i know plenty of people who survive on mim wage. Walk to work, don't own a car, get a room mate. Move to a cheaper fucking city, start your own business. Theres plenty of option.

Unlike you i don't think people are useless pieces of shit who need the government to hold their hand in order to live.


Some of them are useless pieces of shit



agreed. and they deserve what they put into society. My point was that requiring the government to hold your hand should not be an option.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114345 - 11/10/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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you can spout that shit all you want but facts are facts and your solutions are just not realistic alternatives to most people nor do they fit the economy of the country. I'm sure you are just going to come back at me with some more nonsense talk so dont be offended if I'm getting tired from having to explain how the world really works to people who have such limited experience and small world views as to infer that everyone can just pick up and leave to another lower costing city and it would all just work out you know...I just wont be replying unless of course someone has some hard facts that they can come up with that proves my assertions to be false.



valid points were made and you run away? How about you form a coherent rebuttal so it looks like you have some intellectual honesty.

And if class mobility is as impossible as you seem to claim please explain to me how i came from poverty yet was able to make something better for myself?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114346 - 11/10/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19114356 - 11/10/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no there were 0 valid points made and your personal ability to make better of your situation does not translate to this is the land of opportunity and infinite chances. All I read there is me me me and my world view centers around my personal experience and has nothing to do with the experience of other people who I do not know and can I get a cookie?
Seriously though there were no valid points made.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114359 - 11/10/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well you know what they say about leading a horse to water :shrug:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19114363 - 11/10/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.



Ummmm I think you just described our country in the present.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19114367 - 11/10/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
I'm all for doubling the Minimu Wage IF My Salary as an Electrical Engineer is doubled in the name of 'fairness' :smirk:

One problem with increaasing minimum wage is that it compresses wages--if you make wages the same for all skill levels, then mediocrity is awarded  If mediocrity is awarded, why should someone work hard and pay more for an education that gets them a higher position?  Out of kindness of their heart?  Then you are left with a situation where fewer and fewer people with the advanced skills are available, and society as a whole suffers.

What do you end up with in the end?  A society with a very large low income class, and a class of ruling elitists.



Ummmm I think you just described our country in the present.



due to minimum wage and the welfare state :themoreyouknow:


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