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Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives * 2
    #19113827 - 11/10/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not talking about criminals who cops have it on good word that the suspect is going to murder people. I'm talking about criminals that have committed crimes such as theft, simple assault, traffic violations, etc...

I personally do not think it is right to put lives at risk for petty arrests, you can put out a warrant for the person and arrest them later when you're not risking other people's lives for the arrest, or if you don't know who the person is try and find out, but even if you can't find out I still don't think the arrest is worth human lives.

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Do you think a cop should be able to kill a person for evading arrests?

Do you think the police should endanger the lives of multiple innocent civilians by going on high speed pursuits of small-time criminals?





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Do you think an arrest of a small-time criminal is worth a human life/human lives?
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19113850 - 11/10/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's a really bold stance


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: dontknow] * 1
    #19113860 - 11/10/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dontknow said:
That's a really bold stance



I don't think it's too bold of a stance to think a human life/lives are worth more than an arrest.

I got the joke though, :lol:


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett] * 1
    #19113861 - 11/10/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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there's a thread in which this discussion is ongoing and active


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19114175 - 11/10/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Do you think a cop should be able to kill a person for evading arrests?





other than florida I'm not sure of any states with fleeing felon laws

should the cops not shoot a suspect when their lives are put in danger?
at what point does the life of a menace become more important than the lives of others?

Quote:

Do you think the police should endanger the lives of multiple innocent civilians by going on high speed pursuits of small-time criminals?




it's not the police that do it, it's the suspect that's eluding the cops that puts those lives in danger

if the criminal act is so small time then why compound it to the point that
it would require lethal measures to be used, why wouldnt they just pull
over and allow the arrest instead of adding charges such as attempted
murder or reckless endangerment because once they start fleeing, it becomes
a far more serious problem because not only is the one suspect going to do
it but most will because they already know the cops wont pursue


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19114208 - 11/10/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

in canada they abandon the pursuit if it get to the point that civils are in danger, depending on the gravity of the crime.

in Cops I see high speed pursuit that mostly ends up in a crash for things like overspeeding or failing to stop :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19114282 - 11/10/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Do you think a cop should be able to kill a person for evading arrests?





other than florida I'm not sure of any states with fleeing felon laws




Idk, I see cops all the ime on Cops & a few times in real life pull their guns on seemingly unarmed people and say something along the lines od "move and I'll shoot you"

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
should the cops not shoot a suspect when their lives are put in danger?
at what point does the life of a menace become more important than the lives of others?




If a cops/bystanders life is in danger, in situations such as dealing with an armed violent person, I think cops/citizens should be able to use deadl force if necessary to protect themselves/others.



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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Do you think the police should endanger the lives of multiple innocent civilians by going on high speed pursuits of small-time criminals?




it's not the police that do it, it's the suspect that's eluding the cops that puts those lives in danger



I understand that, but if the cops would just back off and put out a warrant instead of chasing them, which police and criminals are both well aware that high speed chases can be dangerous for all involved and bystanders, then no ones life would be in danger and then they could even likely make the arrest at a later time, without much incident.

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Prisoner#1 said:
if the criminal act is so small time then why compound it to the point that
it would require lethal measures to be used, why wouldnt they just pull
over and allow the arrest instead of adding charges such as attempted
murder or reckless endangerment because once they start fleeing, it becomes
a far more serious problem because not only is the one suspect going to do
it but most will because they already know the cops wont pursue




I've said it before and I'll say it again, many criminals are stupid especially when they have a large amount of adrenaline floatingb around in their blood, or even moreso when this is coupled with drugs/alcohol.

if the person was in the right mindstate chances are they wouldn't have committed the crime to begin with, or at least they probably wouldn't try to evade an arrest and get a big time felony on their record instead of the small charge they would've got.

the cops can stay back and keep a heli on the vehicle if they really want, that is still way less dangerous then a high speed car chase, and the heli can watch the perp and radio the ground forces what he's doing and they can get him when the person stops.

Or like I already said, chances are, they already know who it is so they can just put out a multi-felon warrant on the guy and have the marshalls pick him up later.


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19114288 - 11/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If your going to break the law then I think you deserve to get offed by an officer


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: dontknow]
    #19114294 - 11/10/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A cop should not kill anyone.

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Do you think the police should endanger the lives of multiple innocent civilians by going on high speed pursuits of small-time criminals?




If they were a little more competent, they would do it like the German police: Look where the person is going with a helicopter and once the person gets on the highway simply put a roadblock on it and wait till the person comes to you.


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19114296 - 11/10/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

volcomstoner said:
If your going to break the law then I think you deserve to get offed by an officer



you better quit smokin' that reefer than kid, wouldn't want you to wind up dead for buying a $20 sac.


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19114298 - 11/10/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lord_McLovin said:
If they were a little more competent, they would do it like the German police: Look where the person is going with a helicopter and once the person gets on the highway simply put a roadblock on it and wait till the person comes to you.




Yeah, I said something similar to that a few posts back.


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19114304 - 11/10/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Surrender and you will be fine


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19114323 - 11/10/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Surrender and you will be fine



I understand that, but a lot of criminals are not thinking correctly, is that a reason to put humans lives in danger when there are other options? I do not think so


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: volcomstoner] * 1
    #19114330 - 11/10/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

volcomstoner said:
If your going to break the law then I think you deserve to get offed by an officer



1. Institute a law that any stupid post is punishable by death.
2. Have you slowly burned to death with sulphuric acid.


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Thulean]
    #19114445 - 11/10/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So this got locked and then unlocked? Lol


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: dontknow] * 2
    #19114478 - 11/10/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

YEah mj bitched until it got unlocked
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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19114510 - 11/10/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The problem may be that the cops don't know how dangerous the "criminal" is until the perp has been detained and the situation evaluated.

Science is working on a hindsight machine, I'll post pics when it's done.


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19114536 - 11/10/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Do you think a cop should be able to kill a person for evading arrests?





other than florida I'm not sure of any states with fleeing felon laws




Idk, I see cops all the ime on Cops & a few times in real life pull their guns on seemingly unarmed people and say something along the lines od "move and I'll shoot you"




seemingly unarmed... seemingly.
even if they are unarmed it doesnt make someone not dangerous

Quote:

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
should the cops not shoot a suspect when their lives are put in danger?
at what point does the life of a menace become more important than the lives of others?




If a cops/bystanders life is in danger, in situations such as dealing with an armed violent person, I think cops/citizens should be able to use deadl force if necessary to protect themselves/others.





you seem to misunderstand what being armed can consist of, we look at
things such as knives, guns and even clubs as being dangerous weapons
but for some reason you wish to overlook a vehicle as a weapon, no
need to reload, it offers some protection to the driver and is every
bit as fatal for the victims so when a driver plows through a busy
intersection how is that any different that someone waving a gun
around in a store




Quote:

Or like I already said, chances are, they already know who it is so they can just put out a multi-felon warrant on the guy and have the marshalls pick him up later.





and what happens if the guy goes on to kill several people between the time
the cops break off a pursuit and the time a warrant is issued. how many
lives are saved then


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19114569 - 11/10/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Surrender and you will be fine



I understand that, but a lot of criminals are not thinking correctly, is that a reason to put humans lives in danger when there are other options? I do not think so





it's the criminal that put those lives in danger

this isnt a difficult concept to understand


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Re: Do you think an arrest is worth a human life/human lives [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19114580 - 11/10/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Surrender and you will be fine



I understand that, but a lot of criminals are not thinking correctly, is that a reason to put humans lives in danger when there are other options? I do not think so





it's the criminal that put those lives in danger

this isnt a difficult concept to understand



You can say that, but at the end of the day it's the police officers fat finger squeezing the trigger.


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