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How to accept the absurd?
    #19112295 - 11/09/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My whole life has been a quest to find meaning and the failure to do so.  When i do accept the absurd it basically results in depression because i accept my life has no meaning.  Is it possible to be happy while accepting the absurd?


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #19112582 - 11/09/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Take stock in the pure sensual process that is your life.  I feel like meaning comes to me naturally, I don't usually try and force it.  Its usually nothing special tho, like if I jog alot the shower and food is meaningful afterwards.  Stuff like that.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #19112606 - 11/09/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Humans luckily have a built in mechanism for dealing with absurdity called laughter.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #19112624 - 11/09/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Humans luckily have a built in mechanism for dealing with absurdity called laughter.



I was just thinking how alot of times "the answer" is usually this -->:lol: or this -->:nonono:  depending on the kind of day it is.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: jackSpearows]
    #19112718 - 11/09/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm starting to think philosophical contemplation is the beginnings of depression or a form of depression itself and brain chemicals alone determine your state of happiness, and your natural apprehension of life is enough.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: circastes]
    #19112959 - 11/10/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you think too much man (join the club :highfive:)

@ cog, quests are generally pretty absurd.. the quest to find that precious 'meaning' stuff..

if you went to king arthur and were like, 'dude the holy grail is not real' he'd be pretty depressed.. probably go through all the stages denial, aggression, bargaining.. maybe he'd come round in the end..

but like idk the final stage 'acceptance' is probably also bs, maybe just another holy grail type scenario.. maybe king arthur would end up as some guru teaching acceptance, leading ppl to inner peace & eternal bliss or whatever....

yeep hope that was of help
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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19113235 - 11/10/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19113270 - 11/10/13 04:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

hah.. well that was suspenseful


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: quinn]
    #19113450 - 11/10/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your use of the word 'absurd' suggests that you might have read Albert Camus' work (one of my philosophical inspirations). But in case you're not familiar with it, here's a summarised sample from sparknotes.com/philosophy/sisyphus/summary.html

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The absurd is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled, and any attempt to reconcile this contradiction is simply an attempt to escape from it: facing the absurd is struggling against it. Camus claims that existentialist philosophers such as Kierkegaard, Chestov, and Jaspers, and phenomenologists such as Husserl, all confront the contradiction of the absurd but then try to escape from it. Existentialists find no meaning or order in existence and then attempt to find some sort of transcendence or meaning in this very meaninglessness.

Living with the absurd, Camus suggests, is a matter of facing this fundamental contradiction and maintaining constant awareness of it. Facing the absurd does not entail suicide, but, on the contrary, allows us to live life to its fullest.




I don't think it directly answers your question but it might set you on an interesting path of discovery to see what Camus believed. He thought that when faced with the absurdity of the human condition, we have three choices:

  • Accept that life is meaningless and commit suicide
  • Perform a logical leap of faith to avoid the problem. E.g. "Life's not absurd because Jesus saves! And I therefore know that my life has meaning."
  • Embrace the absurdity (Camus advocates this option only). "The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy1." - Camus


1In the ancient Greek myth of Sisyphus, the character Sisyphus was punished to a futile life of labour, pushing a boulder up a hill only to have it roll down again, endlessly. Camus compared the futility of Sisyphus' punishing task to the human condition.

Edit: Cognitive_Shift, I've just realised you're in France, so assuming you can read French then you can read Camus in the original language that he wrote.. French! But I would be surprised now if you haven't already read his writings :wink:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: quinn]
    #19113483 - 11/10/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I spend all day trying to find little scraps of meaning. The more I realise it's all bullshit the more bored I become. :sad:

Every once in a blue moon the waves of acceptance wash over though and I feel just fine. I hope to feel more like that and less bored at least.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19113556 - 11/10/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think we create meaning.  Its not something that's found, but rather cultivated over time.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: circastes]
    #19113965 - 11/10/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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circastes said:
I'm starting to think philosophical contemplation is the beginnings of depression or a form of depression itself and brain chemicals alone determine your state of happiness, and your natural apprehension of life is enough.




I think the opposite.
Philosophical contemplation I believe allows one to understand that any emotion/state of being will pass.

If one doesn't understand this idea, they may actually believe they are sadness instead of just the temporary feeling of sadness.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19115057 - 11/10/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My whole life has been a quest to find meaning and the failure to do so.  When i do accept the absurd it basically results in depression because i accept my life has no meaning.  Is it possible to be happy while accepting the absurd?





I'll get back to you. So far though the success rate is limited. :satansmoking:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Icelander]
    #19115199 - 11/10/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dont accept it, why should you get angry if you reject anything ? this is absurd


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Libertin]
    #19117260 - 11/10/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is meaning in my life.  Meaning in the relationships i have with people, but those people are just as clueless about whats really going on as i am.  It's just really hard to accept the absurd.  I constantly fight to find closure and create a narrative to live by, but i know all the narratives are bullshit.  I wish my perspective about my life didn't fall into this existential worldview but it just does.  I haven't read camus specifically but he does define the absurd in the same way i do which i got from other philosophers.  If i'm going to be honest with myself i have to accept there will be no closure it's just harder said than done.



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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19118656 - 11/11/13 01:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

define the word absurd ... you dont seem to know what that mean

like other people keep saying love is everything but how is it anything when it is only a word to use for anything, since it is not the least of reality to point objectively

you are doing the same with the word absurd

i told you what is absurd, this is absurd... using the word absurd absurdly... as if you are creating another mean... for what ?

to me by mentionning sartre you are proving the fallacy of it

sartre was a writer, his job was to create fallacy, it wasnt a study or philosophical ranting about absurdity...it was a story

and if you mean what life look like being stories written before they seem to be living, well it is not absurd but it clearly point powerful entities that dont give any to true existence while existing only by forcing poor conscious beings to play their roles in whatever creepy or useless story, this is not absurd this is logical ... would you give the truth anything yourself ? or would you enjoy using everything for yourself comfortable stable life if you got that chance ??

how is it absurd when you didnt create the body you are using as if it is yourself being when you cant be your body source, it means that there is other sources which logically wont care about you as a conscious in there

killing one another to live is not absurd, is the way of being to everything

being nice to one another is to die, logically you cant mean another being out of yourself being, you would die abstractly by the least of that meaning honestly being ..

what is absurd is that insistence to always invent something else, creating other issues that dont exist as if there werent enough issues already ...


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: absols]
    #19121664 - 11/11/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm using absurd as it's defined in relationship to existentialism.  Searching to find meaning in the world and the inability to do so.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19121819 - 11/11/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"One must imagine Sisyphus happy." - Albert Camus.

...Really though I just do tons of drugs and write; that's my answer. :awesome:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19121893 - 11/11/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What's absurd, the searching itself or the inability to find?


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19122160 - 11/11/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In the short term. A matter of minutes. Everything is absurd as the contexts rapidly shift.
What may not shift so quickly are your personally cultivated values


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