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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Phred]
    #4910640 - 11/08/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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So, is government-aided forced privatization seen as still being capitalism?




What are you talking about?





I am asking a question, and I'm sure you have the reading comprehension and English-language proficiency to answer it. It doesn't matter what I'm talking about. I'm just asking a question.

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
    #4910651 - 11/08/05 07:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

something is worth as much as you can sell it for

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Silversoul]
    #4910664 - 11/08/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

BTW rogue_pixie, if you are a "true" anarchist, then I would take that to mean abolishing the state and letting the chips fall where they may. Under such circumstances, it is likey that many new systems would come about, among them anarcho-capitalism. Thus, a "pure" anarchist would be obliged to support capitalism for those who want it, and the same for socialism, communism, primitivism, etc.


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Silversoul]
    #4910673 - 11/08/05 07:09 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I don't object to anything, as long as it isn't harming or imposing on another human being against their will.

*hugs*


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910677 - 11/08/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What if anarchism led to the suffering of others?

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
    #4910680 - 11/08/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought it was bleeding obvious that capitalism is inherently unjust!





No more so than any other system which has been tried.





well said.

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the Leftist influence these days is so pervasive that an astonishingly large percentage of people discussing Capitalism (and even many of those attempting to provide definitions for it) have no idea what it is.




lucky for us, there are people like you out there that have the true definition, and don't hesitate to educate all of us about it and lead us away from our ignorance.

as far as wikipedia being notorious for being inaccurate, I would put all the money i had on wiki being able to provide more facts than yourself, or even this entire forum.


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
    #4910690 - 11/08/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What if anarchism led to the suffering of others?




Then it wouldn't be anarchism, because that is the one and only "rule" that anarchism has.


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910692 - 11/08/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't object to anything, as long as it isn't harming or imposing on another human being against their will.






You sound like a libertarian right there.

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
    #4910697 - 11/08/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What is it with all of these old threads being resurrected?

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4910700 - 11/08/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't object to anything, as long as it isn't harming or imposing on another human being against their will.






You sound like a libertarian right there.




You sound randy, randall!


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910701 - 11/08/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What if anarchism led to the suffering of others?




Then it wouldn't be anarchism, because that is the one and only "rule" that anarchism has.




Not true. The only rule anarchism has is that all humans have absolute autonomy and no system of rule that hinders that autonomy is legitimate. I'm sure you knew that since you're an anarchist.

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910706 - 11/08/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't object to anything, as long as it isn't harming or imposing on another human being against their will.






You sound like a libertarian right there.




You sound randy, randall!




God...tell me about.  :frown:

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910707 - 11/08/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What if anarchism led to the suffering of others?




Then it wouldn't be anarchism, because that is the one and only "rule" that anarchism has.



So anarchism by definition has to be a utopia?


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
    #4910713 - 11/08/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What if anarchism led to the suffering of others?




Then it wouldn't be anarchism, because that is the one and only "rule" that anarchism has.




Not true. The only rule anarchism has is that all humans have absolute autonomy and no system of rule that hinders that autonomy is legitimate. I'm sure you knew that since you're an anarchist.




My idea of anarchism is complete and absolute freedom, by that very nature, it means that if you take someone elses freedom away, then it defeats the meaning of anarchism.


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
    #4910717 - 11/08/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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I am asking a question, and I'm sure you have the reading comprehension and English-language proficiency to answer it. It doesn't matter what I'm talking about. I'm just asking a question.




No, I mean literally, what are you talking about? Define your terms. What is your understanding of the term "forced privatization"? Are you talking about for example a government divesting itself of an industry it had no business owning in the first place? Like an airline or railroad or electrical generating station or coal mines or something?

If so, why do you use the word "forced"? Who is forcing the government to sell this company it had no business owning in the first place?


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910720 - 11/08/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The question was about suffering, not freedom. Do you deny that people can still suffer under absolute freedom?


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Silversoul]
    #4910721 - 11/08/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
What if anarchism led to the suffering of others?




Then it wouldn't be anarchism, because that is the one and only "rule" that anarchism has.



So anarchism by definition has to be a utopia?




I believe that it is feasible.


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Silversoul]
    #4910736 - 11/08/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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The question was about suffering, not freedom. Do you deny that people can still suffer under absolute freedom?




Absolute freedom for everyone requires no other individual to impose on anothers freedom. If that were the case then there couldn't be any suffering.

I know it sounds crazy and far fetched but as Emma Goldman aptly put it "Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced humankind and have enriched the world".


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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Phred]
    #4910742 - 11/08/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry, I thought you were being snide. Sorry for the harsh words. Now that I think about it, the question was muddled.

What I was thinking about were the Banana Republics created knowing that these new  regimes will be open to foreign takeover of formerly nationalized resources. Somewhat like a coup of the economy.

I'm just confused. It seems like it should obviously be capitalism, but it only becomes capitalism because of the acts of another country.

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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4910752 - 11/08/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Absolute freedom for everyone requires no other individual to impose on anothers freedom. If that were the case then there couldn't be any suffering.



So suffering can only happen if someone else imposes it on you? No one can suffer from their own mistakes or just plain bad luck?


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