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My mind tells me that if it weren't for people with your mindset, they wouldn't be issues I'd ever be likely to have to deal with.
My mindset? I don't share the mindset of a rapist or a thief or a murderer. But such people exist, have always existed and always will exist. How will you as an anarchist deal with them?
As for the likelihood of you having to obtain things you cannot find or manufacture yourself, that is a 100% certainty regardless of my (or anyone's) mindset. There isn't a human on the planet who can construct an eraser-tipped pencil from scratch, for example, let alone things you use constantly which are for more complicated than pencils.
I'll let you put your mind to work on those facts of life for a while. Get back to us when you're ready.
Phred
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 Re: Capitalism=Theft  [Re: Redstorm]
#4910520 - 11/08/05 06:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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But I don't want to argue.
I just want to love. 
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: kotik]
#4910528 - 11/08/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The U.S. federal government controls interest rates, imposes a minimum wage, has extensive environmental laws, has extensive worker safety laws, and engages in extensive income redistribution (food stamps, HUD, Medicare, Medicaid, student grants, etc...)
right, and being somewhat educated with these types of things, you also realize that every single thing you just mentioned was only granted after countless massacres, riots, strikes and protests. These things were all implemented to keep the peace
Only my example of worker safety laws could fall under that description of yours. The rest of my examples were all implemented through peaceful legislation.
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but none of those have anything to do with the foundations of this country's economic policy...
?!?!?!?! When the Federal Reserve raises and lowers interests rates, this does not have a big affect on the economy? Do you read the papers?
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they are all little modifications here and there to keep the system running in its current state.
These "little modifications" are programs which give hundreds of billions of dollars to poor and old Americans in the form of goods or services.
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heh, so now i am leftist? how cute.
Your "class warfare" diatribes make it fairly obvious.
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I never went out of my way to say capitalism is evil
Go read through your posts again.
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Whether or not you have a TV or a car does not make much difference. TVs can be bought at the pawn shop for $20, and cars can be bought for as little as $50.
EXACTLY. In a capitalist society there is competition. With competition comes efficiency. With efficiency comes cheap prices and hence prosperity. With prosperity comes a high standard of living.
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But I don't want to argue.
I just want to love.
I'm all up for that.
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Redstorm
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It's people like you who making sure that anarchism never spreads. Doesn't bother me. The more people who can not rationally build an argument for anarchism, the better.
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SHOW US YOUR TITS
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Profit does not equal theft.
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kotik
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capitalism refers to an economic system in which all or most of the means of production are privately owned and operated.
Incorrect. Capitalism refers to a political system in which the government is forbidden any power over the economy.
ive run out of patience playing cat and mouse with you.
since you obviously know more about this than myself, and any of my sources, I think you should start writing letters to
http://www.summit.org/resource/dictionary/
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Capitalism
http://www.answers.com/topic/capitalism
http://www.fast-times.com/dictionaryca-cl.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
which ALL STATE VERBATIM:
"capitalism refers to an economic system in which all or most of the means of production are privately owned and operated..."
to complete it, "determined mainly in a free market, rather than by the state. In capitalism, the means of production are generally operated for profit."
so yes, it does involve a free market. but regardless, your blatant pugilism discredits your nitpicked, arbitrary arguments.
why should this burden of proving everything i say fall on me, while you can just poke a finger out of its hole and declare bullshit, then moving on to the next leftist statement?
Imperialism is us establishing friendly governments, policies, markets and military bases on foreign soil for the sake of exanding our political power, our economy and our military control. Capitalism is us making money off the aforementioned tasks.
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: zappaisgod]
#4910552 - 11/08/05 06:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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SHOW US YOUR TITS
You're terrible.
Ignore him Rogue_Pixie. He is an uncouth troglodyte.
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
#4910558 - 11/08/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's people like you who making sure that anarchism never spreads. Doesn't bother me. The more people who can not rationally build an argument for anarchism, the better.
Fuck rationality and arguments...we could go round and round forever.
What it really boils down to is the lack of compassion, love and respect for each other in the world.
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What it really boils down to is the lack of compassion, love and respect for each other in the world.
And what will it take to make all human beings exhibit these attributes %100 of the time?
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What it really boils down to is the lack of compassion, love and respect for each other in the world.
And what will it take to make all human beings exhibit these attributes %100 of the time?
For you to c'mere and give us a kiss.
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Fuck rationality and arguments..
That's what I was waiting for. I bet you're religious, too, aren't you?
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
#4910593 - 11/08/05 06:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck rationality and arguments..
That's what I was waiting for. I bet you're religious, too, aren't you?
My religion is love.
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: kotik]
#4910598 - 11/08/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not my fault you choose sources that fit your agenda. Capitalism is that socio-political system in which the government has no power over the economy. Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable as a source. Take any political science course if you want to know what Capitalism is. Under Capitalism, it's not "all or most of the means of production are privately owned and operated...", but ALL of the means of production. By the way, two of the five links you provided do not say "verbatim" that "all or most" of the means of production is privately owned.
This isn't a new concept, by the way. I'm not making this up. It's just that the Leftist influence these days is so pervasive that an astonishingly large percentage of people discussing Capitalism (and even many of those attempting to provide definitions for it) have no idea what it is.
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Imperialism is us establishing friendly governments, policies, markets and military bases on foreign soil for the sake of exanding our political power, our economy and our military control.
No, that's sensible foreign policy. Imperialism is the act of conquering other nations and running them as colonies of the home nation. See Rome, England, Portugal, Spain, France and many others as exemplars.
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And what will it take to make all human beings exhibit these attributes %100 of the time?
For you to c'mere and give us a kiss.
I haven't gotten laid in four months. I am tempted to fly to England and take you up on that offer.
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Phred]
#4910617 - 11/08/05 06:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, is government-aided forced privatization seen as still being capitalism?
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I thought it was bleeding obvious that capitalism is inherently unjust!
No more so than any other system which has been tried.
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Redstorm]
#4910630 - 11/08/05 07:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, is government-aided forced privatization seen as still being capitalism?
What are you talking about?
Phred
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Re: Capitalism=Theft [Re: Phred]
#4910634 - 11/08/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not my fault you choose sources that fit your agenda.
riiiightt.. those sources ranging from such leftist sources as Wikipedia and Reference.org, which are both fronts for communist revolutionary movements, in the form of mundane word definitions.
I don't remember citing Lenin, Marx or the forum-favorite Chomsky.
if admitting that there is an unequal spread of wealth in this country puts me far out on the left wing, then I dont want to be right (ok, pun intended)
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