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HeartAndMind


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Mind's play
#19113370 - 11/10/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Came to conclusion today that waking reality is mind based - Everything that is real and keeps us bound to the 'world' are memories of past. Imagine if all our memories would be eased every morning, that would leave waking world as real as dream world. But I feel that it already is as much real as dream, one day we have to drop this body and this world would be gone too. So it's temporary just like dream, but long one. I wonder now if our waking reality is temporary, then, assuming that there is life after death, that after life reality is also temporary, because it is not experienced now. What do you think is real. That which underlays all worlds?
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Fierce Deity
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The Great I am. The substratum of the dream. You are a dream character, but the dreamer is that which allows the dream to occur.
You have stumbled upon a great spiritual truth. The only THING constant in the world of things is change. All "things" change. Even thoughts and memories are things. "No-things" are constant for example: the now moment, consciousness, space, silence, darkness. These separate examples of no-things are actually the same thing. That which allows all things to be is the only constant, but it is not of this world. It can't be put into words. The observing eye can not see the observing consciousness behind it. You can only point towards it. Ancient Chinese used the term: fingers pointing at the moon. If you focus on the fingers, you don't see the moon. Look past the fingers to find the truth past the forms to be aware of the formless, thus realizing that you are the formless.
In the words of Lao Tzu (a great moon pointer), "Approach it, and there is no beginning. Follow it, and there is no end. You can't know it, but you can be it- at ease in your own life."
Words can't encompass the non-dual, because words imply speaker/listener or writer/reader. You are indeed the non-dual playing a part as every "thing" there is. Yet, you are only remembering the memories stored in that brain. Right now, you don't have access to all of the information. Realizing unity in the duality is like unwrapping a gift that your separated mind didn't know was even there. I say it is the one gift that the separate mind is looking for. All else is "a striving after wind."
The dual is like the wrapping paper (you've probably heard the term illusion as if it were "bad"), and the non-dual is like the gift. They both make each other worth enjoying.
-------------------- Ah, the mystery. When sight and seen are complete, who looks through these eyes? All words are lies. This statement, too, is false.
 
Edited by Fierce Deity (11/10/13 07:15 AM)
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HeartAndMind


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HeartAndMind said: Came to conclusion today that waking reality is mind based - Everything that is real and keeps us bound to the 'world' are memories of past. Imagine if all our memories would be eased every morning, that would leave waking world as real as dream world. But I feel that it already is as much real as dream, one day we have to drop this body and this world would be gone too. So it's temporary just like dream, but long one. I wonder now if our waking reality is temporary, then, assuming that there is life after death, that after life reality is also temporary, because it is not experienced now. What do you think is real. That which underlays all worlds?
Love/the soul
no need for words to describe it :-)
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cez

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Life is a beach and I'm just playing in the sand.
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HeartAndMind


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Re: Mind's play [Re: cez]
#19124898 - 11/12/13 04:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mio said:
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HeartAndMind said: Came to conclusion today that waking reality is mind based - Everything that is real and keeps us bound to the 'world' are memories of past. Imagine if all our memories would be eased every morning, that would leave waking world as real as dream world. But I feel that it already is as much real as dream, one day we have to drop this body and this world would be gone too. So it's temporary just like dream, but long one. I wonder now if our waking reality is temporary, then, assuming that there is life after death, that after life reality is also temporary, because it is not experienced now. What do you think is real. That which underlays all worlds?
Love/the soul
no need for words to describe it :-)
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cez said: Life is a beach and I'm just playing in the sand.

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Chronic7
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HeartAndMind said: Came to conclusion today that waking reality is mind based - Everything that is real and keeps us bound to the 'world' are memories of past. Imagine if all our memories would be eased every morning, that would leave waking world as real as dream world. But I feel that it already is as much real as dream, one day we have to drop this body and this world would be gone too. So it's temporary just like dream, but long one. I wonder now if our waking reality is temporary, then, assuming that there is life after death, that after life reality is also temporary, because it is not experienced now. What do you think is real. That which underlays all worlds?
'That which lasts forever can alone be real' - Ramana
Although really it is beyond lasting or forever as it never began, it didn't start so it can never end
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



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Fierce Deity said: The Great I am. The substratum of the dream. You are a dream character, but the dreamer is that which allows the dream to occur.
You have stumbled upon a great spiritual truth. The only THING constant in the world of things is change. All "things" change. Even thoughts and memories are things. "No-things" are constant for example: the now moment, consciousness, space, silence, darkness. These separate examples of no-things are actually the same thing. That which allows all things to be is the only constant, but it is not of this world. It can't be put into words. The observing eye can not see the observing consciousness behind it. You can only point towards it. Ancient Chinese used the term: fingers pointing at the moon. If you focus on the fingers, you don't see the moon. Look past the fingers to find the truth past the forms to be aware of the formless, thus realizing that you are the formless.
In the words of Lao Tzu (a great moon pointer), "Approach it, and there is no beginning. Follow it, and there is no end. You can't know it, but you can be it- at ease in your own life."
Words can't encompass the non-dual, because words imply speaker/listener or writer/reader. You are indeed the non-dual playing a part as every "thing" there is. Yet, you are only remembering the memories stored in that brain. Right now, you don't have access to all of the information. Realizing unity in the duality is like unwrapping a gift that your separated mind didn't know was even there. I say it is the one gift that the separate mind is looking for. All else is "a striving after wind."
The dual is like the wrapping paper (you've probably heard the term illusion as if it were "bad"), and the non-dual is like the gift. They both make each other worth enjoying.
I will celebrate with a cookie and some opium
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Mind's play [Re: Chronic7]
#19125266 - 11/12/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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'That which lasts forever can alone be real' - Ramana
I like to point it out when we agree.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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HeartAndMind


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Re: Mind's play [Re: Chronic7]
#19133775 - 11/13/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Chronic said:
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HeartAndMind said: Came to conclusion today that waking reality is mind based - Everything that is real and keeps us bound to the 'world' are memories of past. Imagine if all our memories would be eased every morning, that would leave waking world as real as dream world. But I feel that it already is as much real as dream, one day we have to drop this body and this world would be gone too. So it's temporary just like dream, but long one. I wonder now if our waking reality is temporary, then, assuming that there is life after death, that after life reality is also temporary, because it is not experienced now. What do you think is real. That which underlays all worlds?
'That which lasts forever can alone be real' - Ramana
Although really it is beyond lasting or forever as it never began, it didn't start so it can never end
Nice. I read recently similar stuff on destiny:
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neither destiny nor free will, neither any path nor any achievement. All there is is Consciousness.
I think it's really goot too
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absols
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what exist is the positive end of possible ways
there is in truth two always possible ways, freedom and superiority
which reach a point that showed being existing really
at that point you are not being in the past but you are being out of the truth you know, so more like a concept of being yourself out of all
objective existence sense is about the reality of superior freedom to end in freeing true superiority.. which are free positive rights to establish at the end being the exclusive existence fact
so it is not about change, it is about superior sense, so the ascendant way of objective existence
like anything or any move would be present as a plus objectively, which also show the value of freedom being real..
it is also logical fact, because what exist is mostly the constant of being object .. even the stand forced by else reality become object concept in being the constant present thing .. then what matters is what is done once present still .. so the constant betterment of being present ...
Edited by absols (11/14/13 02:07 AM)
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