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How to use the Shroomery * 2
    #19112727 - 11/09/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well here's my 1000th post and in this short time I think things have come a long way.

Here's how I started out. A little over 6 months ago. Obviously I was an arrogant noobhead.

I have went from grow kit to the PF tek to getting a PC and spawning rye to bulk substrate. Now I'm working on agar and my sterile tek in a SAB. Hoping to be working with all isolates soon.

All and All in my short experience here the best advice I can give to a new grower starting out and wanting to be where I am in 6 months or less is to just read. Just scan these forums often and always try searching to find your answers first. It's really easy to find out who to pay attention to and it's really easy to stay out of the nonsense/drama and just concentrate on your self and what you want from the hobby. Be a contributing member by giving to yourself the gift of mindfulness and determination so that in turn you can give back to others.

I have more plans for this thread and this post here. I'll be trying to consolidate my questions and hiccups as I came along in images and words to create some sort of path for the new cultivator who may seem lost as to which information is relevant here.

I'll end with a picture.




--What I would do if I just got here-- Rev 1.2

The Search Engine
If you use the advance search engine you can click a box for trusted cultivators. This will give you replies to the question you had(that's already been asked 100s of times) by people that know their shit. Please do this before posting any question you have
Also, You can limit the age of the posts to something like 2 years to make sure you get relevant information.

Uh,oh you bought a grow kit :sad:
Take a look here and see if there's any way to salvage it.
Chances are you just gave your money to someone who shipped you a box full of reminders that you just got kicked in the nuts.
Don't fret though for *most likely* less money then you spent on the kit you can get going the right way.

Got spores?
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Here's the part of the forums to ask about which vendor to go with etc... Remember *Read the rules first*
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What to do with spores.
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Start here.

Alright, now you're informed from watching Let's grow mushrooms. The best few bucks you'll ever spend if you want to download it. Don't be cheap its 9$. (This is the only time I'm going to tell you to buy something that's not supplies for growing. Actually the videos are supplies if you think about it)

You can decide to do the PF tek or go to grains. If you want to go to grains you're going to need a pressure cooker, no question yes you do, unless you want to steam them at atmospheric pressure for 8 hours.

PF tek.

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bodhisatta said:
If you were building your own airplane you would make sure every little bolt and washer was perfect. It's flying because of trial and error(evolution) and people with experience have delivered the directions and parts in a good working state so you can fly safely. Obviously there can be improvements made but when you're the one making a airplane from a kit you're probably not in the best position to start tacking on upgrades.

When you don't have your own experience you should find something your gut tells you is trustworthy through your own investigation. Use the people who developed it's experience and let that guide you without throwing in your own gut feelings because they've likely had the same ones and figured out already that that didn't work. Then you'll develop your own experience and be able to branch out and continue the evolution of your craft.





When starting out it's best to follow the tek directions to the T. This will help us with any diagnosis if you run into a problem and need to ask for help on here in your own thread.

Obviously mushrooms are not as dangerous to fail as a failure in an airplane but you're making food that you eat here so please follow directions until you have your own experience to rely on.

OK, lets get started.

Get some jars.
You can use anything that's about 1/2 pint and is as wide as it is tall. There's 3 different Ball/Kerr jars that are 1/2 pint size. The wide-mouth is the ones you want to get. Regular mouth is tall and skinny and can lead to the mycellium stalling out. I have had success using these jars, so if you have them try them, but buy the right kind. If you can find a recycling code 5 AKA PP plastic tupperware you can rig that into a PF jar too albeit with a modified lid procedure *search engine bonus round*.

Evilmushroom666's take on PF cakes.
Here's a thread I endorse if you want some very good supplemental instruction.

Vermiculite
*PROtip : this stuff is not perlite*
Found at garden stores

Water
Anything but distilled. Distilled is great for making spore syringes only and filling up humidifiers only.

BRF
you can grind your own brown rice or find it at a organic food store most likely.

Sterilization
PF tek can be done without a pressure cooker(PC) in a steam bath for 90 minutes. Make sure the lid fits nicely, and the jars are protected from the bottom of the pan.
*sterilization is not sanitation look them up if you are unfamiliar*
A pressure cooker can be set for 60m at 15PSI when doing PF tek.

Inoculation
Don't speed up the cooling down process,
Take the foil off of the jars after they cool
Don't leave it on *please*
Flame sterilize the needle and don't wipe it with alcohol
Alcohol sanitizes flame sterilizes. You don't want the 0.01% of nasty shit on the needle 
Use 0.25CC(aka mL) per hole or less
Make sure to get the needle against the glass and below the verm barrier.

Patience
First sign of growth can take up to two weeks!
Use this time to look around the forums and look at typical pictures of PF jars and what mycellium looks like. Try to take advantage of learning from the language used in posts that get the most help around here.

Dunk and Roll
Don't skip this.
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cswizzle said:
Yes! I rolled them then misted right away so a lot fell off. But lesson learned and the pins seem to be growing great now. Successful first cakes so far :smile:



Let the verm stick to your cakes for a few hours before the initial misting or this will happen. Not the end of the world but I'd like to see you avoid it.

Fruiting Chamber
A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.

Misting and Fanning.
This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.

FAE
This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.

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Notahacker420 said:
Fanning is not a replacement for constant FAE.

You would need to fan several times per hour.



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RH

Pinning triggers debunked

Myths

-After the PF tek-

Start here

How frank gets shit done
This is franks post with links to his teks.
Frank is one of our Trusted Cultivators.


Tips and tricksLot's of good stuff in here.

Preparing grain spawn
What to do with that spawn? Coir prep Tek

If you plan on asking about lighting in the future NotAHacker will probably copy and paste this to you so here's it in advance
Lighting requirements of mushrooms

Good current members to listen to are NotAHacker420 and Frank(from the above links) They're around a lot and their advice is solid.


Monotubs/Grain spawn
How to get started

1. Make grain spawn WBS is used in the TEK(I use rye)
Frank's WBS Prep (perfect every time)

2. If you want to expand your grain jars without individual inoculation use G2G transfers
Grain to grain in a SAB

3. Now you should have colonized grain spawn, time to make a bulk substrate to spawn to.
Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek
I personally use coir
Frank's hpoo substrate, revisited
poo works too

4. That substrate has to be pasteurized, here's some info to clear up any confusion about pasteurization
Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0

5. Ok you have spawn and bulk substrate, time to mix them
Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub)

6. Additional monotub info for best results
How to dial in your monotubs like a boss








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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19112810 - 11/10/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You have come a long way since that first post :awesomenod: Keep it up
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19112813 - 11/10/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Congrats on your knowledge and practice! You have taken the first steps down an endless road!  :awesome:

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I really think it's impossible to get contamination considering I opened these bags on a carpet and took no care with sanitation after I gave up on them, but they still managed to perform excellent. And after all that the horrible fruiting chamber still worked well.

Also, I sprayed the crap out of pins with h2o2. The bags were saturated with no where to run off either so it was pooling in the bottom of the bags. This was straight 3% h2o2 too and it never hurt the pins.




I love this quote so hard.  It's so funny what a difference half a year can make.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19113403 - 11/10/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thats an awesome story man!  I just started messing with agar too.  I also started with a grow kit, performed poorly, so I moved to grains and trays which do way better for the extra effort, and now doing agar work in homemade SAB!  Started reading the site religiously this summer, being unemployed, and continue to do so now (work graveyard shift, and almost never see anyone except my dog....).  The site is awesome for beginners and seasoned veterans.  I volunteer on a mushroom farm in PA outside Longwood Gardens, its a small operation (several kinds of oysters, (edit: spelling) shitakis, enokis, hen of woods, etc), but the guy who started it learned much of what he knows about gourmets/edibles from the shroomery!  haha imagine that!  Hope your success continues and the pic in ur OP was a great choice :smile:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19113638 - 11/10/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Congrats on your knowledge and practice! You have taken the first steps down an endless road!  :awesome:

Quote:

I really think it's impossible to get contamination considering I opened these bags on a carpet and took no care with sanitation after I gave up on them, but they still managed to perform excellent. And after all that the horrible fruiting chamber still worked well.

Also, I sprayed the crap out of pins with h2o2. The bags were saturated with no where to run off either so it was pooling in the bottom of the bags. This was straight 3% h2o2 too and it never hurt the pins.




I love this quote so hard.  It's so funny what a difference half a year can make.




Yeah, that's awesome. I think most of us have posted some pretty lame stuff. Except me, of course. I've never posted anything stupid :noway2:

I like seeing FH get pissed at him too.

bodhisatta, you've come a long way and are a good member. We are still learning everyday.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19113665 - 11/10/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Stromrider]
    #19114066 - 11/10/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so heartwarming:heart:

shroomery , bringing peeps and grows together.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: anne halonium]
    #19122646 - 11/11/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well I added

--What I would do if I just got here-- Rev 1.0

To the OP.

My intention is to include in this area a yellow brick road for the new cultivator. Along the way dispelling common myths that are still quite present and being spread. There's a lot to add. So far it's not even a full skeleton.

I decided to keep this a thread rather than a journal as to keep all the suggestions visible. Suggestions that make it to the OP will be cited and given credit. I would like the guide to stay as transparent as possible and as a living document, fluid to the times so long as I'm around. Hopefully it can be linked to as a means to help out the new people here.

Ideas I have of adding include
most every common question
This is aside from things already well covered like contamination, but we can talk about how to do research effectively.

Anne will be glad to know fringe information will be considered :lol:. So long as it poses no harm to the new cultivator.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19122701 - 11/11/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Rubestoad]
    #19122738 - 11/11/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Bravo..encore encore :jiggletits:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19122757 - 11/11/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Anne will be glad to know fringe information will be considered :lol:. So long as it poses no harm to the new cultivator.



^^^I like this simply because not everything works for everyone. V tek, cakes, straight grains, straw logs, and many other ways of skinning this cat don't work well for my situation/budget/environment/schedule/living arrangements. So I don't do them. Does not mean that they might not be ideal for someone else. I think everyone tends to forget this from time to time and it just ends up being a penis envy measuring contest :shrug:

That being said Agar is the best inoculate and anyone who disagrees can just #$*& right off :lol:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19123513 - 11/11/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The search engine is next to godliness. Its so cool that the shroomery has been around for as long as it has, so I was able to find the answer to 98% of my dumb questions though search. Can't say I didn't ask a dumb question here and there though.  :uhoh:

I started with a PF Tek and jumped right into agar work. I hope to use my plates to innoc "grain" petri a la violet for my second grow

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259

I care so much for this hobby, so I think I am hooked! I love you guys  :eskimokiss:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19123544 - 11/11/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms has taught me patience, b/c everything will happen in time, but I can't fucking wait to get my syringes, I got 4 syringes for 6 dollar's.

But your right, when I first started this site I was researching like crazy and very impatient trying to get spores as quick as I can. But thank god I didn't have to wait fucking 90 day's to start trading.

But as you progress on this site, you realize this a site for trading interesting strains and helping people out. That is the 2nd phase, then after you graduate out of that phase you become a Mod and start banning people and giving people warnings for their freedom of speech and then it pretty much becomes all the other forums on the internet, just a place where you hang out.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #19123561 - 11/11/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I actually don't even use the Shroomerys search bar, I usually still find everything on Yahoo and it leads me straight to our site lol


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19123661 - 11/11/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I actually don't even use the Shroomerys search bar, I usually still find everything on Yahoo and it leads me straight to our site lol




Fucking Yahoo what is this 1999? :rolleyes:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #19123707 - 11/11/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^ lol 1999 haha good one... I've been using yahoo since around then :ooo: i donno why but yahoo is much better then google or any other search engine, unless you want to be incognito then you go to www.Duckduckgo.com the 2nd best search engine on the internet by far and completely anonymous


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19123738 - 11/11/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Great post!  I have it marked to hear more of your newbie wisdom.  I am in the middle of my first PF tek grow.  6 days in and I have growth in 11 of 12 jars and no contam.  The patience is the hardest part.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: BigGreenMat]
    #19123749 - 11/11/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP :thumbup:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19125196 - 11/12/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Anne will be glad to know fringe information will be considered :lol:. So long as it poses no harm to the new cultivator.




well thats encouraging.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: BigGreenMat]
    #19125991 - 11/12/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Too busy right now to add anything but thanks for all the nice comments.

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Great post!  I have it marked to hear more of your newbie wisdom.  I am in the middle of my first PF tek grow.  6 days in and I have growth in 11 of 12 jars and no contam.  The patience is the hardest part.



Try growing weed :lol:
The mushrooms grow voraciously in comparison

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trust your shrooms and yourself.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19135527 - 11/14/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

up to version 1.1 Added some more info to the PF tek section especially the SGFC part and FAE part. Slowly but surly. Feel free to post suggestions.


These wedges are taking of pretty slow. Then again I did use really small wedges, and it has only been 4 days.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19135560 - 11/14/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Great summary man, thanks for taking the time to do this.  I'm a few months behind you but found many of the same conclusions so far.......and I've found every question I have has been asked, since I really dug in to searching harded in the last month.  My biggest problem is that search can give outdated information also, from seemingly reputable sources.  I sort all searches by date posted now.

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: SynKyd]
    #19135578 - 11/14/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Great summary man, thanks for taking the time to do this.  I'm a few months behind you but found many of the same conclusions so far.......and I've found every question I have has been asked, since I really dug in to searching harded in the last month.  My biggest problem is that search can give outdated information also, from seemingly reputable sources.  I sort all searches by date posted now.

:cheers:




Sifting through info is difficult but often times I'll make a thread asking for the current opinion after I have done research and found more than one answer. These kinds of discussions are more fun than is this substrate going to fruit tomorrow I'm leaving in 2 days and I was trying to bring shrooms along.


I like your gallery
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19136500 - 11/14/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I like your gallery
:cheers:




Thanks man-  Just tried my first G2G noc this morning, 14 jars total  (7 B+ and 7 Pink Buffalo)......here's hoping!


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: SynKyd]
    #19137429 - 11/14/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

bodhisatta said:
I like your gallery
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Thanks man-  Just tried my first G2G noc this morning, 14 jars total  (7 B+ and 7 Pink Buffalo)......here's hoping!




Make a thread I can follow!


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19138705 - 11/14/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19138713 - 11/14/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Use the search engine 10 times before you post a question.



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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19138725 - 11/14/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am positive this is ready to go in the trash. I have 12 jars just like these. bad color at the inoculation site. Please let me know what this is and thoughts on issues. Brown rice flour with vermiculite. Thanks guys



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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19138753 - 11/14/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is definitely 2 different distinct types of mycellium there.

If they are glass or pp5 I would sterilize them and then dump them and save the jar and lid.

If they cannot be sterilized without melting I would just toss them.

Either way, those are trashed. Sorry guy....better luck next batch.


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    #19138762 - 11/14/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19139976 - 11/15/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ha The search engine is a big part of my guide; however it's hard to know what to trust right away when you get here.

I'm just really going to try to get as many new people off on the right foot as possible so that once they have legit questions down the road they know how to do their own research. As well as not having developed bad habits to start with


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19145161 - 11/16/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I like your gallery
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Thanks man-  Just tried my first G2G noc this morning, 14 jars total  (7 B+ and 7 Pink Buffalo)......here's hoping!




Make a thread I can follow!





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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: SynKyd]
    #19149366 - 11/17/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19175747 - 11/22/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hey, I have done a lot of reading on the subject and I am very thorough but this is all new to my friend and I. My friend has the lab and I go there often to babysit. This is round three and this is about where I get each time, the last round had some other type of spores that looked a bit dark grey. Would you look at these and tell me what you think so far. Specs... Brown rice flour, vermiculite, water with perlite filter. Plastic lab grade jars with 4 1/8" holes, temp is 74.5F - 76.5 with 50% humidity in the room, 150 CFM hepa-filter, kept in dark, pressure cooker used, inoculated 10 days ago. Thanks




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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19175934 - 11/22/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To add to my post, I see small areas that under 30x loop look a little grey and to describe it, it looks speckled, maybe fluffy. Is this the so called cottony looking mycelium?


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19176142 - 11/22/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

tomentose mycelium is the name I believe for cottony looking.  most ppl use a dry verm layer, not perlite.  perlite might work.... but I'd imagine its a bit too pourous to keep out con tams (if u don't have another measure for filtering on top of jars) and to keep in moisture.  when u say the pics u posted are where u usually get, what happens after, do they contam or just stop?

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19176457 - 11/22/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Look back in this thread, you will see my last jars with the grey contaminates...


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19177821 - 11/23/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok I see.
so could be bad syringe if all else is ok...where is its origin?
otherwise...what I said above.  it seems like you have read enough to prepare a BRF jar recipe, why did you choose perlite instead of verm as the top layer?  Is the perlite moist at all?
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19177889 - 11/23/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ok I see.
so could be bad syringe if all else is ok...where is its origin?
otherwise...what I said above.  it seems like you have read enough to prepare a BRF jar recipe, why did you choose perlite instead of verm as the top layer?  Is the perlite moist at all?
ps. this is kinda thread jacking, so I'd feel more comfortable if u started ur own thread....sorry dude




it's fine this thread can be for help too.

I need to do some work on the OP still. I know I'm lazy, but it will get there.


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hey, I have done a lot of reading on the subject and I am very thorough but this is all new to my friend and I. My friend has the lab and I go there often to babysit. This is round three and this is about where I get each time, the last round had some other type of spores that looked a bit dark grey. Would you look at these and tell me what you think so far. Specs... Brown rice flour, vermiculite, water with perlite filter. Plastic lab grade jars with 4 1/8" holes, temp is 74.5F - 76.5 with 50% humidity in the room, 150 CFM hepa-filter, kept in dark, pressure cooker used, inoculated 10 days ago. Thanks





the perlite filter is weird? any reason for that. Use a verm filter next time and hope for the best this time.
Temp is good. While the jars are colonizing like that you don't have to worry about humidity in the room though that's more of a fruiting concern
Same with the hepa filter. Even when you fruit you don't need that going. A fully colonized cake is very contam resistant and while they're colonizing in the jars nothing is going to go through the jar
You don't have to keep them in the dark. The mushrooms benifit from light during all stages of growth. Light does not trigger pinning in the ways most people think it does. Look up "lighting requirements of mushrooms" or I'll find and post it later on today.

Hard to tell if it's contam or not. They look good to me but let them grow out for a few more days and take some new pictures.


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    #19178917 - 11/23/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19179720 - 11/23/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nelly091984

After all the time I take making this thread and you still haven't read the forum rules... Let alone that you're told to do so before you even saw this thread.

Edit your post and take the vendor name out of it. We don't use vendor spores to cultivate. It's actually what we call a classic example of a "dick move"

That said I don't see anything wrong with your jars(the picture quality is poor though) except that it looks like you took the bullshit cop-out way and bought things from a kit to cultivate. The spores are just fine it's your cultivation experience that's the problem. Try watching the lets grow mushroom videos PF tek part first.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19179736 - 11/23/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Spores101 has ripped off hundreds of our members......

Use a shroomery sponsor next time.....

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19179753 - 11/23/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Edit your post and take the vendor name out of it. We don't use vendor spores to cultivate. It's actually what we call a classic example of a "dick move"




Actually its only frowned upon to do this with sponsors. But for assholes like Spores101, the community would be better off if those scammers got shut down for good.

Nelly I hate to tell you this but chances are what you have growing there are oyster mushrooms. Tasty sure, but not what I think you were hoping for. If you are one of the lucky ones who actually see a cube from a whores101 syringe, they will be B+. Good if that's what you ordered, not so good if you were hoping for AA+ or cambodian. B+ are still good tho :thumbup:

The only things I ever grew from spores101 was oysters and contams, they are good at that. But if you want a quality product check the sponsors page like NAH said, many of them do ship to Canada, and are excellent vendors.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: PussyFart]
    #19179758 - 11/23/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Spores101 has ripped off hundreds of our members......

Use a shroomery sponsor next time.....

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php




ah yea silly me thought they were a vendor just cause any name sounds like a vendor to me. Personally I still have the same syringe I started with so I don't see the vendor list often. But :whathesaid: click there and buy spores from that list of dealers. And then don't mention where you got them from when you talk about cultivation 

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19179766 - 11/23/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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3.  Spores are sold for microscopy use only so mycologists can ID mushrooms. If you're going to misuse them to grow a controlled substance, keep it to yourself.  Any post which mentions 'such and such' vendor, will be deleted and you'll receive an official warning.  Do not plug non sponsors.




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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19180055 - 11/23/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for saying so, I did not know that there was a vendor list prior to this post. Thanks to all for familiarizing me to the site.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Nelly091984]
    #19180117 - 11/23/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP great post this is being added to my favorites for future quotes.

Sorry for going off topic for a sec just gotta say NAH your middle pic in your SIG is absolutely beautiful. I would love to know where you got that set. (I'm not asking for your source just saying lol.)


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: magickspore]
    #19180127 - 11/23/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Any questions that get posted here, or suggestions on topics will likely make it to the first post. One of these days I'm getting really stoned and adding some of the things in my notebook to the OP.


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    #19180184 - 11/23/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry for going off topic for a sec just gotta say NAH your middle pic in your SIG is absolutely beautiful. I would love to know where you got that set. (I'm not asking for your source just saying lol.)



Firearms from GunBroker.com and the grips are just Hogue Zombie Green Grips.....


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    #19180205 - 11/23/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry for going off topic for a sec just gotta say NAH your middle pic in your SIG is absolutely beautiful. I would love to know where you got that set. (I'm not asking for your source just saying lol.)



Firearms from GunBroker.com and the grips are just Hogue Zombie Green Grips.....



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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19180221 - 11/23/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:


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    #19180327 - 11/23/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lol that's awesome NAH. Thank you I got something else to save up for and drool over now lmao.

Thank you bodhisatta.

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: magickspore]
    #19180394 - 11/23/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I fuckin love this community so many like minded individuals.




Until there's a full moon or people get hungry or whatever that causes them to go off the cliff. I think between NaH420 Frank and I there's been enough flaming and being called arrogant to fill a full fledged subforum.

It's been a bad week for properly built SGFCs and has led to some flak haha.
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    #19180577 - 11/23/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I fuckin love this community so many like minded individuals.




Until there's a full moon or people get hungry or whatever that causes them to go off the cliff.




Those flamers just need to smoke a blunt or take a benzo and listen to those that have more wisdom and knowledge and not get so butt hurt at people trying to help. Constructive criticism people, get used to it, it's how you better yourself.


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This was a good read. Thanks for sharing.


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Quote:

bodhisatta said:
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magickspore said:
I fuckin love this community so many like minded individuals.




Until there's a full moon or people get hungry or whatever that causes them to go off the cliff.




Those flamers just need to smoke a blunt or take a benzo and listen to those that have more wisdom and knowledge and not get so butt hurt at people trying to help. Constructive criticism people, get used to it, it's how you better yourself.



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    #19181355 - 11/24/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lesson 683: Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't grow mushrooms from a couple half pint jars without a pressure cooker.  You can.
Lesson 684: Don't ever get discouraged if someone tries to make you feel like you don't deserve to be a member of the community because you don't have a pressure cooker.
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19181527 - 11/24/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

whats lesson 685? :confused:

step 1.  collect underpants
step 2.  .....
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    #19182390 - 11/24/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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whats lesson 685? :confused:

step 1.  collect underpants
step 2.  .....
step 3. PROFIT!

:rofl:




I wanted to leave some wiggle room in case another rule will fit in between those someday.


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    #19188024 - 11/25/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Rule #11 should be don't state anything as a fact unless you really know it's a fact.

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19242099 - 12/07/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A lot of improper SGFCs this week so I'm bumping this


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    #19242763 - 12/07/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:

I was actually going to post for the same reason.

I would ask for this thread to be stickied, but the stickies are ignored. So perhaps perpetual bumping is the best way.

There is excellent advice here that still preserves your irritating individuality. ( :calledajoke:

The advice here is golden.

Learn it. Know it. Live it. (Sorry, I'm old. Although I liked Spicolli, Hamilton was right in this circumstance.)


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19390012 - 01/08/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Bump, only because I think it will help some of the people on here out tonight,

It's unfortunate I haven't really done any work to the OP in over a month now. I'm working on it lol, really I am.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19399201 - 01/10/14 01:43 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

This is helpful, thank you:sunspots:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Jot]
    #19399454 - 01/10/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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This is helpful, thank you:sunspots:




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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19399511 - 01/10/14 02:46 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Today this stays at the fucking top. Bumpity mcBumperson Bumpificatiobump bam!


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19399592 - 01/10/14 03:02 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:lol:

I really should move it to my journal and spiff it up a bit.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19399704 - 01/10/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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:lol:

I really should move it to my journal and spiff it up a bit.




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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19400328 - 01/10/14 05:27 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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:lol:

I really should move it to my journal and spiff it up a bit.




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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #19400744 - 01/10/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:pipesmoke: :takingnotes:


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    #19400923 - 01/10/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Camtaro are those bleach characters in your SIG?


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: magickspore]
    #19401030 - 01/10/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Camtaro are those bleach characters in your SIG?



:kingcrankey:
Stay on topic.

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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19401089 - 01/10/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:okay: :lol: seriously sorry tho it was just bugging me.


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    #19401141 - 01/10/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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:okay: :lol: seriously sorry tho it was just bugging me.




:saulgoodman:

You know it babe.

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    #19401155 - 01/10/14 09:00 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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:okay: :lol: seriously sorry tho it was just bugging me.



I was just fucking with you, but if anyone has something to add because well,
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19401193 - 01/10/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

i'd say until you have at least 10 positive rating stay away from the
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    #19401201 - 01/10/14 09:09 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:lol: good tip


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: cronicr]
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i'd say until you have at least 10 positive rating stay away from the
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You left a :huxleyfacepalm: in my rating.  And I liked it :lol:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19402176 - 01/11/14 02:59 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

peeps wonder how shroomery can serve them best.

peeps should also think how they can serve the forums,
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    #19402195 - 01/11/14 03:06 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:wonka:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: anne halonium]
    #19407652 - 01/12/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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peeps wonder how shroomery can serve them best.

peeps should also think how they can serve the forums,
with a good grow spirit and best teks.




Where's your Tek? There's the V-Tek but apparently no one on here is good enough to replicate it so :shrug:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19407688 - 01/12/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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peeps wonder how shroomery can serve them best.

peeps should also think how they can serve the forums,
with a good grow spirit and best teks.




Where's your Tek? There's the V-Tek but apparently no one on here is good enough to replicate it so :shrug:



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    #19407851 - 01/12/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Cookie doesn't wait patiently. :shrug:


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    #19407937 - 01/12/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

yeah he's such a noob that way:rolleyes:


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: cronicr]
    #19407961 - 01/12/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)



I read the book, He doesn't wait, nor does he use an oven mit to take the tray out of the oven. Noob at waiting he may be, but he is pro at handling 350F steel.

here


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19413314 - 01/13/14 05:07 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Moved this into my journal And I touched up the original post a little bit.

Can any one see the journal icon by my avatar? Also can someone confirm the link to my journal works.


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No journal and yes link works.


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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: magickspore]
    #19413327 - 01/13/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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No journal and yes link works.




Hmm Idk how to get the journal icon to show up, I though all you had to do was have a public journal for the icon to pop up like with a gallery.


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    #19413339 - 01/13/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

:shrug: IDK... Hopefully someone will let you know. Is it in your preferences or something?


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    #19413345 - 01/13/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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:shrug: IDK... Hopefully someone will let you know. Is it in your preferences or something?




I looked and looked again :shrug:


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