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bodhisatta 
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How to use the Shroomery 2
#19112727 - 11/09/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well here's my 1000th post and in this short time I think things have come a long way.
Here's how I started out. A little over 6 months ago. Obviously I was an arrogant noobhead.
I have went from grow kit to the PF tek to getting a PC and spawning rye to bulk substrate. Now I'm working on agar and my sterile tek in a SAB. Hoping to be working with all isolates soon.
All and All in my short experience here the best advice I can give to a new grower starting out and wanting to be where I am in 6 months or less is to just read. Just scan these forums often and always try searching to find your answers first. It's really easy to find out who to pay attention to and it's really easy to stay out of the nonsense/drama and just concentrate on your self and what you want from the hobby. Be a contributing member by giving to yourself the gift of mindfulness and determination so that in turn you can give back to others.
I have more plans for this thread and this post here. I'll be trying to consolidate my questions and hiccups as I came along in images and words to create some sort of path for the new cultivator who may seem lost as to which information is relevant here.
I'll end with a picture.

--What I would do if I just got here-- Rev 1.2
The Search Engine If you use the advance search engine you can click a box for trusted cultivators. This will give you replies to the question you had(that's already been asked 100s of times) by people that know their shit. Please do this before posting any question you have Also, You can limit the age of the posts to something like 2 years to make sure you get relevant information.
Uh,oh you bought a grow kit  Take a look here and see if there's any way to salvage it. Chances are you just gave your money to someone who shipped you a box full of reminders that you just got kicked in the nuts. Don't fret though for *most likely* less money then you spent on the kit you can get going the right way.
Got spores? Check out the sponsors list Here Here's the part of the forums to ask about which vendor to go with etc... Remember *Read the rules first* Sponsor fourms
What to do with spores. *PROtip : don't say I used sponsor XYZ's spores to do cultivation(in the rules)* Start here.
Alright, now you're informed from watching Let's grow mushrooms. The best few bucks you'll ever spend if you want to download it. Don't be cheap its 9$. (This is the only time I'm going to tell you to buy something that's not supplies for growing. Actually the videos are supplies if you think about it)
You can decide to do the PF tek or go to grains. If you want to go to grains you're going to need a pressure cooker, no question yes you do, unless you want to steam them at atmospheric pressure for 8 hours.
PF tek.
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bodhisatta said: If you were building your own airplane you would make sure every little bolt and washer was perfect. It's flying because of trial and error(evolution) and people with experience have delivered the directions and parts in a good working state so you can fly safely. Obviously there can be improvements made but when you're the one making a airplane from a kit you're probably not in the best position to start tacking on upgrades.
When you don't have your own experience you should find something your gut tells you is trustworthy through your own investigation. Use the people who developed it's experience and let that guide you without throwing in your own gut feelings because they've likely had the same ones and figured out already that that didn't work. Then you'll develop your own experience and be able to branch out and continue the evolution of your craft.
When starting out it's best to follow the tek directions to the T. This will help us with any diagnosis if you run into a problem and need to ask for help on here in your own thread.
Obviously mushrooms are not as dangerous to fail as a failure in an airplane but you're making food that you eat here so please follow directions until you have your own experience to rely on.
OK, lets get started.
Get some jars. You can use anything that's about 1/2 pint and is as wide as it is tall. There's 3 different Ball/Kerr jars that are 1/2 pint size. The wide-mouth is the ones you want to get. Regular mouth is tall and skinny and can lead to the mycellium stalling out. I have had success using these jars, so if you have them try them, but buy the right kind. If you can find a recycling code 5 AKA PP plastic tupperware you can rig that into a PF jar too albeit with a modified lid procedure *search engine bonus round*.
Evilmushroom666's take on PF cakes. Here's a thread I endorse if you want some very good supplemental instruction.
Vermiculite *PROtip : this stuff is not perlite* Found at garden stores
Water Anything but distilled. Distilled is great for making spore syringes only and filling up humidifiers only.
BRF you can grind your own brown rice or find it at a organic food store most likely.
Sterilization PF tek can be done without a pressure cooker(PC) in a steam bath for 90 minutes. Make sure the lid fits nicely, and the jars are protected from the bottom of the pan. *sterilization is not sanitation look them up if you are unfamiliar* A pressure cooker can be set for 60m at 15PSI when doing PF tek.
Inoculation Don't speed up the cooling down process, Take the foil off of the jars after they cool Don't leave it on *please* Flame sterilize the needle and don't wipe it with alcohol Alcohol sanitizes flame sterilizes. You don't want the 0.01% of nasty shit on the needle Use 0.25CC(aka mL) per hole or less Make sure to get the needle against the glass and below the verm barrier.
Patience First sign of growth can take up to two weeks! Use this time to look around the forums and look at typical pictures of PF jars and what mycellium looks like. Try to take advantage of learning from the language used in posts that get the most help around here.
Dunk and Roll Don't skip this.
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cswizzle said: Yes! I rolled them then misted right away so a lot fell off. But lesson learned and the pins seem to be growing great now. Successful first cakes so far 
Let the verm stick to your cakes for a few hours before the initial misting or this will happen. Not the end of the world but I'd like to see you avoid it.
Fruiting Chamber A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.
Misting and Fanning. This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.
FAE This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.
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Notahacker420 said: Fanning is not a replacement for constant FAE.
You would need to fan several times per hour.

RH
Pinning triggers debunked
Myths
-After the PF tek-
Start here
How frank gets shit done This is franks post with links to his teks. Frank is one of our Trusted Cultivators.
Tips and tricksLot's of good stuff in here.
Preparing grain spawn What to do with that spawn? Coir prep Tek
If you plan on asking about lighting in the future NotAHacker will probably copy and paste this to you so here's it in advance Lighting requirements of mushrooms
Good current members to listen to are NotAHacker420 and Frank(from the above links) They're around a lot and their advice is solid.
Monotubs/Grain spawn How to get started
1. Make grain spawn WBS is used in the TEK(I use rye) Frank's WBS Prep (perfect every time)
2. If you want to expand your grain jars without individual inoculation use G2G transfers Grain to grain in a SAB
3. Now you should have colonized grain spawn, time to make a bulk substrate to spawn to. Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek I personally use coir Frank's hpoo substrate, revisited poo works too
4. That substrate has to be pasteurized, here's some info to clear up any confusion about pasteurization Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0
5. Ok you have spawn and bulk substrate, time to mix them Frank's Bulk Spawning Tek (in a monotub)
6. Additional monotub info for best results How to dial in your monotubs like a boss
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (01/08/14 06:53 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
#19112810 - 11/10/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have come a long way since that first post Keep it up
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elasticaltiger
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
#19112813 - 11/10/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Congrats on your knowledge and practice! You have taken the first steps down an endless road! 
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I really think it's impossible to get contamination considering I opened these bags on a carpet and took no care with sanitation after I gave up on them, but they still managed to perform excellent. And after all that the horrible fruiting chamber still worked well.
Also, I sprayed the crap out of pins with h2o2. The bags were saturated with no where to run off either so it was pooling in the bottom of the bags. This was straight 3% h2o2 too and it never hurt the pins.
I love this quote so hard. It's so funny what a difference half a year can make.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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blindingleaf
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thats an awesome story man! I just started messing with agar too. I also started with a grow kit, performed poorly, so I moved to grains and trays which do way better for the extra effort, and now doing agar work in homemade SAB! Started reading the site religiously this summer, being unemployed, and continue to do so now (work graveyard shift, and almost never see anyone except my dog....). The site is awesome for beginners and seasoned veterans. I volunteer on a mushroom farm in PA outside Longwood Gardens, its a small operation (several kinds of oysters, (edit: spelling) shitakis, enokis, hen of woods, etc), but the guy who started it learned much of what he knows about gourmets/edibles from the shroomery! haha imagine that! Hope your success continues and the pic in ur OP was a great choice
-------------------- A few thoughts on cultivation MICROBIAL HUSBANDRY!!!! The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
Edited by blindingleaf (11/10/13 06:19 AM)
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SpitballJedi
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elasticaltiger said: Congrats on your knowledge and practice! You have taken the first steps down an endless road! 
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I really think it's impossible to get contamination considering I opened these bags on a carpet and took no care with sanitation after I gave up on them, but they still managed to perform excellent. And after all that the horrible fruiting chamber still worked well.
Also, I sprayed the crap out of pins with h2o2. The bags were saturated with no where to run off either so it was pooling in the bottom of the bags. This was straight 3% h2o2 too and it never hurt the pins.
I love this quote so hard. It's so funny what a difference half a year can make.
Yeah, that's awesome. I think most of us have posted some pretty lame stuff. Except me, of course. I've never posted anything stupid 
I like seeing FH get pissed at him too.
bodhisatta, you've come a long way and are a good member. We are still learning everyday.
-------------------- The Basics A little civility goes a long way The Noob Forum The Hammock Hangers' Forum
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Stromrider
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anne halonium
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Stromrider]
#19114066 - 11/10/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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so heartwarming
shroomery , bringing peeps and grows together.
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bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



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Well I added
--What I would do if I just got here-- Rev 1.0
To the OP.
My intention is to include in this area a yellow brick road for the new cultivator. Along the way dispelling common myths that are still quite present and being spread. There's a lot to add. So far it's not even a full skeleton.
I decided to keep this a thread rather than a journal as to keep all the suggestions visible. Suggestions that make it to the OP will be cited and given credit. I would like the guide to stay as transparent as possible and as a living document, fluid to the times so long as I'm around. Hopefully it can be linked to as a means to help out the new people here.
Ideas I have of adding include most every common question This is aside from things already well covered like contamination, but we can talk about how to do research effectively.
Anne will be glad to know fringe information will be considered . So long as it poses no harm to the new cultivator.
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
#19122701 - 11/11/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
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SamhainJ
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Rubestoad]
#19122738 - 11/11/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bravo..encore encore
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Pastywhyte
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: bodhisatta]
#19122757 - 11/11/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Anne will be glad to know fringe information will be considered . So long as it poses no harm to the new cultivator.
^^^I like this simply because not everything works for everyone. V tek, cakes, straight grains, straw logs, and many other ways of skinning this cat don't work well for my situation/budget/environment/schedule/living arrangements. So I don't do them. Does not mean that they might not be ideal for someone else. I think everyone tends to forget this from time to time and it just ends up being a penis envy measuring contest 
That being said Agar is the best inoculate and anyone who disagrees can just #$*& right off
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19123513 - 11/11/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The search engine is next to godliness. Its so cool that the shroomery has been around for as long as it has, so I was able to find the answer to 98% of my dumb questions though search. Can't say I didn't ask a dumb question here and there though. 
I started with a PF Tek and jumped right into agar work. I hope to use my plates to innoc "grain" petri a la violet for my second grow
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259
I care so much for this hobby, so I think I am hooked! I love you guys
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Kiya_Star427
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19123544 - 11/11/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushrooms has taught me patience, b/c everything will happen in time, but I can't fucking wait to get my syringes, I got 4 syringes for 6 dollar's.
But your right, when I first started this site I was researching like crazy and very impatient trying to get spores as quick as I can. But thank god I didn't have to wait fucking 90 day's to start trading.
But as you progress on this site, you realize this a site for trading interesting strains and helping people out. That is the 2nd phase, then after you graduate out of that phase you become a Mod and start banning people and giving people warnings for their freedom of speech and then it pretty much becomes all the other forums on the internet, just a place where you hang out.
Edited by Kiya_Star427 (11/11/13 09:45 PM)
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Kiya_Star427
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: dr.alkaline]
#19123561 - 11/11/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I actually don't even use the Shroomerys search bar, I usually still find everything on Yahoo and it leads me straight to our site lol
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dr.alkaline



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Kiya_Star427 said: I actually don't even use the Shroomerys search bar, I usually still find everything on Yahoo and it leads me straight to our site lol
Fucking Yahoo what is this 1999?
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Kiya_Star427
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: dr.alkaline]
#19123707 - 11/11/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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^ lol 1999 haha good one... I've been using yahoo since around then i donno why but yahoo is much better then google or any other search engine, unless you want to be incognito then you go to www.Duckduckgo.com the 2nd best search engine on the internet by far and completely anonymous
Edited by Kiya_Star427 (11/11/13 09:59 PM)
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Great post! I have it marked to hear more of your newbie wisdom. I am in the middle of my first PF tek grow. 6 days in and I have growth in 11 of 12 jars and no contam. The patience is the hardest part.
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: BigGreenMat]
#19123749 - 11/11/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19125196 - 11/12/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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bodhisatta said: Anne will be glad to know fringe information will be considered . So long as it poses no harm to the new cultivator.
well thats encouraging.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: How to use the Shroomery [Re: BigGreenMat]
#19125991 - 11/12/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too busy right now to add anything but thanks for all the nice comments.
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BigGreenMat said: Great post! I have it marked to hear more of your newbie wisdom. I am in the middle of my first PF tek grow. 6 days in and I have growth in 11 of 12 jars and no contam. The patience is the hardest part.
Try growing weed  The mushrooms grow voraciously in comparison
-cause and effect occur immediately- trust your shrooms and yourself.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (11/12/13 12:02 PM)
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