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Offlinezappaisgod
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Bums and Bumcare * 4
    #19096599 - 11/06/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

This guy got a policy he was perfectly happy with and will lose it because the President he enthusiastically supported is an asshole.  Read the article.  What he can replace it with is shittier, costs more and has higher deductibles.  But that isn't the big issue for this particular thread.  It comes at the end of the article.

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So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”





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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19102535 - 11/07/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: HalfLight]
    #19103195 - 11/07/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Neller] * 2
    #19103414 - 11/07/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Neller said:

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.






Their salary is none of your fucking business.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: HalfLight]
    #19104508 - 11/08/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TryinToTrip said:
I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.




What does Obama Care have to do with providing health care for the poor?


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: HalfLight]
    #19106267 - 11/08/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TryinToTrip said:
I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.




We already had MedicAid.  Privileged?  How was I privileged to work and make money.  The only privilege involved here is that useless fucks think they should have the privilege to force me to buy them shit.  They are the ones taking advantage.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Neller]
    #19106288 - 11/08/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19107973 - 11/08/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

TryinToTrip said:
I hope you aren't trying to argue against government-provided health care of the poor with this.

This is another example of privileged people taking advantage of the impoverished.




We already had MedicAid.  Privileged?  How was I privileged to work and make money.  The only privilege involved here is that useless fucks think they should have the privilege to force me to buy them shit.  They are the ones taking advantage.




I wasn't calling you privileged, sorry if you thought I was.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19107991 - 11/08/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?




You should feel honored to work your ass to the bone so that some fucking 20 year old kid can sit on his ass by the TV all day and get fucked up at your expense.  After all, it isn't 'fair' to them that you rake in the coin and they don't. :smirk:


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19109377 - 11/09/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

starfire_xes said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?




You should feel honored to work your ass to the bone so that some fucking 20 year old kid can sit on his ass by the TV all day and get fucked up at your expense.  After all, it isn't 'fair' to them that you rake in the coin and they don't. :smirk:



How much do you think that actually happens?

Look, I know there are people who abuse welfare/snap and the rest of the system, I've seen it first hand and it's pretty fucking disheartening.

But still, the majority of people on these government programs actually need them - and I've seen that first hand too. I don't know what some of those people would do without them.

Maybe you should take a day to go volunteer at a food drive and meet some of the people who really do need food stamps.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe] * 2
    #19109727 - 11/09/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Synthe said:
Quote:

starfire_xes said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Neller said:
"You go to any city what are the two biggest buildings? The biggest buildings are always gonna be insurance and banks. How do you think they got that way, huh? From paying claims? From giving you money on your interest?"
-Bill Burr

I wish they would have included that couples' annual salary in that article. Just to see what we're dealing with here.

It's probably karma for all those tax loopholes he's been taking advantage of for all these years.



It is clearly slightly above $62,000 a year.  What tax loopholes do you suppose a couple who makes that shit amount of money could possibly avail themselves of?




You should feel honored to work your ass to the bone so that some fucking 20 year old kid can sit on his ass by the TV all day and get fucked up at your expense.  After all, it isn't 'fair' to them that you rake in the coin and they don't. :smirk:



How much do you think that actually happens?

Look, I know there are people who abuse welfare/snap and the rest of the system, I've seen it first hand and it's pretty fucking disheartening.

But still, the majority of people on these government programs actually need them - and I've seen that first hand too. I don't know what some of those people would do without them.

Maybe you should take a day to go volunteer at a food drive and meet some of the people who really do need food stamps.




i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19112638 - 11/09/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.

"i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job."

Thats the problem, you don't do much thinking at all.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler] * 1
    #19112677 - 11/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

haha you don't know shit about me (or much at all it seems) eating healthy is actually cheaper if you advance your thinking into the long term and get out of the mindset of instant gratification. I grew up poor, started my first business at 16, and within a month of graduating high school got a full time job at a business consultancy, in fact i've never worked a minimum wage job in my life because i put in the work to make sure I earned more than that. So don't throw that shit around like class mobility is impossible.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19112678 - 11/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

This guy got a policy he was perfectly happy with and will lose it because the President he enthusiastically supported is an asshole.  Read the article.  What he can replace it with is shittier, costs more and has higher deductibles.  But that isn't the big issue for this particular thread.  It comes at the end of the article.

Quote:

So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”





Fucking leech bum




i love how you people try to make him out to be a bad guy for trying to make the best out of his situation. I bet you don't bitch about the tax loopholes wallmart or macys or any number of corporations take advantage of in order to squeeze every fucking penny they possibly can out of the American taxpayer while keeping manufacturing prices at the bare minimum by doing it all in china or india. Hell they even pay their American workers 7.25 an hour and the Government has to pay those people welfare so they don't starve to death or end up living on the street. Thats my definition of a leech. Does it fit with yours?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19112753 - 11/09/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i'd agree with that. Corporate welfare is just as bad if not worse than normal welfare.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: psyconaught]
    #19113648 - 11/10/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psyconaught said:


i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.



I'll be honest here, I'm pretty skeptical. 

You find that source?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19113719 - 11/10/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hammburgler said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

This guy got a policy he was perfectly happy with and will lose it because the President he enthusiastically supported is an asshole.  Read the article.  What he can replace it with is shittier, costs more and has higher deductibles.  But that isn't the big issue for this particular thread.  It comes at the end of the article.

Quote:

So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”





Fucking leech bum




i love how you people try to make him out to be a bad guy for trying to make the best out of his situation. I bet you don't bitch about the tax loopholes wallmart or macys or any number of corporations take advantage of in order to squeeze every fucking penny they possibly can out of the American taxpayer while keeping manufacturing prices at the bare minimum by doing it all in china or india. Hell they even pay their American workers 7.25 an hour and the Government has to pay those people welfare so they don't starve to death or end up living on the street. Thats my definition of a leech. Does it fit with yours?



Not taking your money does not equal giving you money.  Did you know that corporations that keep costs at a minimum are able to  sell their products for less?  Benefiting every consumer.  $7.25 will support a person if he works 40 in most places.  It will not support 4 people and if you are still making minimum wage 2 years into your work career you are a fucking loser.  Get off my tit.  This guy is considering deliberately working less in order to fuck the people who work more.  Welfare encourages bummitude.  Are you ever going to get that or are you just going to keep panhandling with a gun?


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19113970 - 11/10/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hammburgler said:
Do you know why  those are the top health concerns of the working poor? Because they typically can only afford cheap non nutritious foods that when eaten everyday cause health problems like obesity and diabetes. If you actually stopped and thought about something or did some research instead of automatically opening your mouth to spew the fucking venom you leave lying all over these forums you might have realized that high calorie non nutritious junk is a lot cheaper than veggies or fruit.






In California its cheaper to buy in the produce section and eat fresh produce and fruit rather than processed crap.


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: Synthe]
    #19113988 - 11/10/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Synthe said:
Quote:

psyconaught said:


i don't think most people NEED it. Its just easier to stay on the government tit than get a real job. And sure from a self centered survivalist stand point it makes sense.

I'll try and find the source but someone did the math and figured out that on average a person on welfare with full benefits makes the equivalent to $25 an hour. Do you know what the number one health concern is among those on welfare? Obesity and other weight related issues. That doesn't sound like a hungry motivated group of people.



I'll be honest here, I'm pretty skeptical. 

You find that source?



http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/1/6.full


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Re: Bums and Bumcare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19113992 - 11/10/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's pretty much cheaper everywhere, especially if you find small produce stores and grow some of your own food. Most people just want that instant gratification though.


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