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OfflineThe5thElement
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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19112067 - 11/09/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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amazing. we couldn't have known this, without your guiding hand.
the kid has no where else to go but back home. if he just had left, then Dad could just say, fuck it... he fucked up. then call the police, file report, the police could bring him in at a later point, where the kid isn't losing it anymore.

instead of calling the police to immediately track down his son, as a felon.




Sorry but if I had a teenager that acted out and stole my truck I would call the cops on him as a lesson too. If they don't learn their lesson there are probably more times in the future they would steal your truck again and again.

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I'm not condemning the kid, but he is defiantly more at fault then any other individual involved here in my opinion :shrug:





I think the cop is more at fault for killing the kid. I think it's funny that people are arguing and blaming the dad and the son. How about the trigger-happy person that actually KILLED THE KID? :facepalm:




Did you watch the video?


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112068 - 11/09/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah defiantly missed those comments. People arn't really contributing anything when they make useless comments like that.



well, they don't think those comments are useless, they think they are useful. while they think of comments such as "the cop was a fucking jackass" as the same thing.

they're kinda right. both attempts at branding opinion are useless and idiotic.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #19112069 - 11/09/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19112073 - 11/09/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i would call the cops too, but not in MURICA. LOL because then all signs points to "my son is gonna get killed".




It would definitely never happen in the county that I'm currently living in. Most people in this county are pretty wealthy and posh, and everybody here knows at least a few lawyers. If that happened here there would be a lawsuit of such magnitude that it would break hell on this earth.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112076 - 11/09/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i bet the cop just wanted a paid vacation


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #19112081 - 11/09/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know whether the pig's were justified in shooting the kid. On the surface it would seem so considering his actions just before. But the old man called the pigs and reported his son as a felon riding around in stolen property, and the pigs responded as such. The father has no right to say "this was all over a pack of smokes", it was over a stolen vehicle that he lied saying his son had stolen. I'm assuming that the didn't really feel the boy "stole" it, just took it with every intention of bringing it back in one piece.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112098 - 11/09/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look at it this way, your a cop and your called in on your radio about a stolen vechicle (no one said the cop knows it's a father-son dispute)......

So if you watch the video you can see the driver of the stolen vehicle ram a police officers car, he also speeds though traffic and a red light, barley missing other cars... He's speeding through parks filled with people, ect....

Then the cop has a chance to end the pursuit, he does.

The cop doesn't know if the person in the truck has a gun or some shit? He put an end to a situation that could have easily had many other people killed as result of the kids poor choices... He had numerous opportunities to stop, I said it once and I'll say it again


You can't ram police vehicles and endanger other peoples lives so recklessly and expect nothing bad to come from that, it's a shitty situation and I feel bad for the kid and his father but fuck I don't condemn that cop for doing what he did... I wasn't there and I don't know how I'd handle it if I were in the cops shoes but you can't blame him for ending it before some other's kid got killed.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112099 - 11/09/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you watch the video?




I did. And you know what the video is missing? THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, the part where the victim got shot!

Maybe the driver had stopped his vehicle and was stepping out of the vehicle when he got shot. Maybe he was about to run over a cop when he got shot.

All that video proves is that he was driving recklessly, which inclines people to say, "Oh he deserved it, look at the way he was driving." FALSE. That is NOT what it says in the police manual. It does not say, "Shoot and kill a suspect for speeding away from us." You are only supposed to shoot a suspect if you feel YOUR OWN LIFE is in danger.

And the video happens to be missing the most important crucial elements that led up to that shooting. Because even if he did everything that occurred in that video, if he had stopped the vehicle or was on his way to getting out, HE HAD NO RIGHT TO BE SHOT. You're not supposed to shoot somebody if you THINK they might have a gun, you are supposed to shoot somebody if you KNOW they have a gun.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
    #19112108 - 11/09/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the cop is more at fault for killing the kid. I think it's funny that people are arguing and blaming the dad and the son. How about the trigger-happy person that actually KILLED THE KID? :facepalm:




He wasn't literally a kid, he was 19. And he was employing the vehicle as a weapon. He rammed numerous cars and almost backed over a pedestrian. If the guy hadn't been sprinting away he likely would have been hit and killed.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
    #19112109 - 11/09/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The kid rammed his car, I'd say that's endangering his life.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112117 - 11/09/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The most important parts were the entire chase showing the guy endangering other peoples lives because he didn't just pull over :wtfsonic:


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
    #19112118 - 11/09/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Look at it this way, your a cop and your called in on your radio about a stolen vechicle (no one said the cop knows it's a father-son dispute)......




they actually mentioned that to the cops through the radio, that the son had taken the vehicle and the dad had called to report it.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112119 - 11/09/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The cop doesn't know if the person in the truck has a gun or some shit? He put an end to a situation that could have easily had many other people killed as result of the kids poor choices... He had numerous opportunities to stop, I said it once and I'll say it again




This is why police brutality has gotten the way it has in America, because of lack of outraged citizens when it does happen. Police do not have the right to shoot somebody just because they THINK they might have a gun, you are supposed to shoot somebody if you KNOW and can SEE they have a gun.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Envix]
    #19112121 - 11/09/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

USA is completely fucked turn on the fuckin news and theres a fuckin mass shooting every few months and police hate crimes and pointless murders like these.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: The5thElement]
    #19112127 - 11/09/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The most important parts were the entire chase showing the guy endangering other peoples lives because he didn't just pull over :wtfsonic:




That doesn't matter. EVEN WITH all of that, if the suspect gave up and came out of the car at the end, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOOT THEM. It's not even in the police manual to do that. That's why when it's a hostage situation, and the suspect decides to give up their hostages and come out to surrender un-armed, they don't shoot the guy dead. He's no longer a threat anymore, so they apprehend him while he is still alive.

That is why I say the video is missing the most crucial part. Because if he had stopped his vehicle or was on his way exiting the vehicle, police had no right to shoot the guy.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
    #19112131 - 11/09/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He's a grown man who clearly was a danger to others. If the police had any reason to think that he was going to continue that behavior, they were more than justified in using deadly force.

I'm not big on police power for obvious reasons. But in a situation like this I am inclined to support the pigs 100%. Again assuming they had any reason to think he was going to continue that behavior, which sure as shit includes ignoring commands to kill the engine. They had every right to do whatever necessary to prevent it.

Once you show the propensity to hurt others so directly, you are walking a dangerous line with your own safety.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
    #19112134 - 11/09/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You're not supposed to shoot somebody if you THINK they might have a gun, you are supposed to shoot somebody if you KNOW they have a gun.




In this case the weapon was a truck rather than a gun.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: psi]
    #19112144 - 11/09/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

there's nothing to debate here, it was everyones fault.


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: Crystal G]
    #19112160 - 11/09/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The most important parts were the entire chase showing the guy endangering other peoples lives because he didn't just pull over :wtfsonic:




That doesn't matter. EVEN WITH all of that, if the suspect gave up and came out of the car at the end, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOOT THEM. It's not even in the police manual to do that. That's why when it's a hostage situation, and the suspect decides to give up their hostages and come out to surrender un-armed, they don't shoot the guy dead. He's no longer a threat anymore, so they apprehend him while he is still alive.

That is why I say the video is missing the most crucial part. Because if he had stopped his vehicle or was on his way exiting the vehicle, police had no right to shoot the guy.





Your exactly right, it is missing that crucial part, but you seem to biased toward the situation. You only mention the what if on one side, and in 2 posts, and in capital letters.

But there is another what if, what if HE WAS TRYING TO RUN OVER AN OFFICER ON FOOT THEN THE TRUCK BECOMES A DEADLY WEAPON AND THE OFFICERS LIFE IS NOW IN DANGER, but you are right, we simply do not know

But what we do know is if that kid did not throw a temper tantrum he would not have been in that predicament in the first place

He could have mowed some fucking lawns and went fishing for some 18 year old to buy him smokes with his hard earned money


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Re: Dad calls cops on son to teach him a lesson, cops shoot son dead [Re: zZZz]
    #19112164 - 11/09/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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there's nothing to debate here, it was everyones fault.





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