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gypsum for soaking rye berry?
#19111623 - 11/09/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have noticed that some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains. Is this actually beneficial at all?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111629 - 11/09/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course it is. It adds calcium and sulfur plus keeps the grains from sticking and clumping up later. RR
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19111671 - 11/09/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I guess that means I will be adding that for the last 12 hours of my soak. Thanks for the info. RR your word is gold!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111675 - 11/09/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: I have noticed that some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains. Is this actually beneficial at all?
no. we just cant find anywhere else to put all the extra gypsum we have laying around!
i kid. i kid...
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19111692 - 11/09/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol yeah I guess it is kind of a dumb question but up until this point I have only added it to pf cakes.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111719 - 11/09/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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glad to hear your gettin into grains. it really is just about as much prep and work, with such a more favorable outcome, if you go about it right. i did one PF Tek and dove right into bulk with c/v/g, as well as outdoor with grains, and i never looked back. good luck!!!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19111748 - 11/09/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is my first fully colonized jar of rye I have made so far.

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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111788 - 11/09/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: this is my first fully colonized jar of rye I have made so far.


you should use quart jars. but aside from that, that looks good and healthy!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19112054 - 11/09/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to use pints for my masters. They colonize quick and are easier to G2G in my SAB than with quarts IME. 1 pint to 6 quarts is just right for me. Though I have used quarts as masters many times as well.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112196 - 11/09/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do the grains themselves actually absorb the gypsum when you boil them or does it just kinda stick to the surface of the germ?
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Well I don't know if it actually gets absorbed or not but it does seem to stick to the grains somewhat which IME helps keep them nice and loose in the jar. I have found that I get much better/healthier colonization with it than without. I never used to use gypsum or coffee when I first started grains, now I wouldn't think of not using them.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112268 - 11/09/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Well I don't know if it actually gets absorbed or not but it does seem to stick to the grains somewhat which IME helps keep them nice and loose in the jar. I have found that I get much better/healthier colonization with it than without. I never used to use gypsum or coffee when I first started grains, now I wouldn't think of not using them.
i know it gives it extra nutes but i love how much it helps from keeping your grains from sticking.
they really shouldnt stick to much anyway once you get your grain prep and simmer technique down
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: twistedty]
#19112303 - 11/09/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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twistedty said: i know it gives it extra nutes but i love how much it helps from keeping your grains from sticking.
they really shouldnt stick to much anyway once you get your grain prep and simmer technique down
Maybe it doesn't maybe I just got my prep solid at the same time that I started with it. Nonetheless I ain't messing with not having it just in case.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112326 - 11/09/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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twistedty said: i know it gives it extra nutes but i love how much it helps from keeping your grains from sticking.
they really shouldnt stick to much anyway once you get your grain prep and simmer technique down
Maybe it doesn't maybe I just got my prep solid at the same time that I started with it. Nonetheless I ain't messing with not having it just in case.
nah me either after the pc cycle i just shake my jars a few times and all the grains move freely with no clumps
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112330 - 11/09/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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is it better to add it to the soaking phase or the simmer phase, also how much gypsum is ideal?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: N2ocean]
#19112344 - 11/09/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just eyeball a tablespoon or so for every dozen quarts or so after the rinse. Dump in a cup o coffee and good to go. I simmer in the same water/coffee/gypsum mix that I soak in. Fuck I just checked and I be down to my last pound, need to order some more fo sho
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19113245 - 11/10/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know if I am doing it right but I simmer in gypsum laden water plus add gypsum to my bulk substrate as well. I seem to remember hearing you can't use too much gypsum. Anyone know if that is a fact and if its not am I adding too much?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19113356 - 11/10/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well it will want to absorb/close in water, so a lot of gypsum will dehydrate your grains i would think, or would dehydrate the mycelium that you add. (but this is not from experience)
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19113864 - 11/10/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shroomnub4u said: I don't know if I am doing it right but I simmer in gypsum laden water plus add gypsum to my bulk substrate as well. I seem to remember hearing you can't use too much gypsum. Anyone know if that is a fact and if its not am I adding too much?
I'm not sure about not being able to use too much, I'm sure there is a breaking point somewhere I don't add it to my sub, cause it just doesn't seem necessary to me to add it twice. If it works for you then have at er but, maybe give it a try with just the soak water. If you don't mind the results, try it again like that. See if it works for you.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19114170 - 11/10/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. never saw a gypsum grow exceed a non gypsum grow.
i have no intention of introducing it to the lab even. the dust value would be more of a reality than its mythical grow value.
IMO, its just not needed.
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I soak with it, then boil in the soak water, then add more to the bulk sub. I have only done it once to compare but my sub with the gypsum produced bigger fruits than a similar one with no gypsum made with same lc.
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs .
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19115923 - 11/10/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just gtg using the previously posted pint jar to make 4 pint jars. I will post pics tomorrow of hopefully some healthy recovering myc. This is my first bulk experiment. I have been reading, watching videos, reading every tek and thread I can on this forum since may. It's safe to say I am straight up ate up with mycology.
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anne halonium said:
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. never saw a gypsum grow exceed a non gypsum grow.
i have no intention of introducing it to the lab even. the dust value would be more of a reality than its mythical grow value.
IMO, its just not needed.
35years i bow down to that experience.
but it definetly doesnt hurt either
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: twistedty]
#19119085 - 11/11/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im practically a noob. i know 3-4 peeps that are almost 40 yrs growing.
i dont think they use gypsum either.
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anne halonium said:
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. never saw a gypsum grow exceed a non gypsum grow.
i have no intention of introducing it to the lab even. the dust value would be more of a reality than its mythical grow value.
IMO, its just not needed.
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"Gypsum is added to minimize the greasiness compost normally tends to have. Gypsum increases the flocculation of certain chemicals in the compost, and they adhere to straw or hay rather than filling the pores (holes) between the straws. A side benefit of this phenomenon is that air can permeate the pile more readily, and air is essential to the composting process. The exclusion of air results in an airless (anaerobic) environment in which deleterious chemical compounds are formed which detract from the selectivity of mushroom compost for growing mushrooms. Gypsum is added at the outset of composting at 40 lb per ton of dry ingredients"
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: sukhavati12]
#19119245 - 11/11/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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agaricus.
not my species. still dont feel the need.
that papers is not exactly a gypsum data sheet, its more like a report on PA agaricus farms.
interesting stuff on nitrates in that paper though. if anything, confirms my use of ferts ( NPK)
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Gypsum contains both calcium carbonate and sulfur, thus it tends to keep the pH near neutral, preventing swings as the metabolites try to push the pH down.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: hbettag]
#19122498 - 11/11/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I guess that I have the ability to settle this with an experiment I am doing already. I have 4 brf cakes that don't have gypsum. I also have 4 brf cakes that I used gypsum in that I inoculated 2 days ago. I will post pics before birthing of each and dry weight harvested from each. I also have several rye berry jars that I didn't use gypsum in. I gtg transferred myc. from one of the jars to grains that have been soaked in gypsum. I will post side by side results of each experiment. I am interested to find out what happens. Although I gotta admit I have faith in what rr says.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19122520 - 11/11/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the idea of a side by side to see if there are any tangible benefits to using gypsum however, if you are inoculating those cakes with ms there is no control so your results will provide nothing conclusive.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19122690 - 11/11/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah that is a fantastic point oh well. life goes on......time will teach me the answers.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19122722 - 11/11/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have some prints that I will be isolating coming in the mail. I'll make sure to post what I learn.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
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Gypsum is often used for soil amelioration to increase flocculation in clay soils, as a fertilizer on wheat and alfalfa, and as an additive in animal feed. Unfertilized alfalfa hay averages 1.54% calcium by dry weight, much of which is in the form of calcium sulfate. It's often present in natural salt licks, and many animals have been known to travel miles to a lick with a higher amount of calcium, especially when that calcium was found in the more bioavailable version, calcium sulfate, rather than in a carbonate or limestone form.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
#19122929 - 11/11/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: never saw gypsum in a cow field.
Gypsum is often used for soil amelioration to increase flocculation in clay soils, as a fertilizer on wheat and alfalfa, and as an additive in animal feed. Unfertilized alfalfa hay averages 1.54% calcium by dry weight, much of which is in the form of calcium sulfate. It's often present in natural salt licks, and many animals have been known to travel miles to a lick with a higher amount of calcium, especially when that calcium was found in the more bioavailable version, calcium sulfate, rather than in a carbonate or limestone form.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
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anne halonium said: never saw gypsum in a cow field.
Gypsum is often used for soil amelioration to increase flocculation in clay soils, as a fertilizer on wheat and alfalfa, and as an additive in animal feed. Unfertilized alfalfa hay averages 1.54% calcium by dry weight, much of which is in the form of calcium sulfate. It's often present in natural salt licks, and many animals have been known to travel miles to a lick with a higher amount of calcium, especially when that calcium was found in the more bioavailable version, calcium sulfate, rather than in a carbonate or limestone form.
dude.......
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
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I've never seen BRF, vermiculite, rye berries, or coir in a cow pasture neither.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19123075 - 11/11/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it is unfair to suggest that mushies should only be grown on poop and hay.......
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19123128 - 11/11/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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For her to make the "never seen gypsum in a cow field" argument is just hypocritical.
she don't even use stuff that comes from a cow pasture.
She's being silly.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19123250 - 11/11/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never seen a pp5 container in a cowfield?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
#19123293 - 11/11/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is lots of manure in a cowfield, by that logic maybe anne might reconsider her stance on bulk?  Sorry anne, I gotta admit you haven't been trashing us Amish poo farmers at all lately, but I couldn't resist You can have a freebie on me
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19123318 - 11/11/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn anne is aggravating
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Gymspawn]
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I wasn't tryin to start nothin whoops everybody love everybody lol
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Gymspawn]
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To be honest, I usually found her rants amusing. I'm not a new age grower by any means, but there are some aspects to V tek that are appealing. My problem was her bashing of bulkers, especially people that use hpoo. I only use coir/verm and rye spawn for cubes, but I have had several experiments with pan species and I will continue to experiment with them for some time I'm sure. IME pans may not need poo the way it was once thought that they did, but it sure makes it easier Ironically my best pan spawn was done in PP5 containers and I have a theory on why that was, but long story short I now use PP5 for all my pan projects (still prefer glass for cubes and G2G tho).
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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im not against bulkers or bulks as much as peeps think.
most bulkers , its all they know , or can do, as many admit they lack lab skill.
im even comfortable with that.
however,some bulkers frequently try to exceed themselves, and suggest they know more about advanced grow teks, than they do.
its pure bullshit on everyone, when someone says, " i dont use plastics, i dont do grains, i dont use blue lights, i dont bottom water, and i dont use a PC, but , im gonna tell you all about your grow anyway from my armchair, cuz i had a grow kit once"
^cheapens and soils us all.
as for annoying? annoying is lugging a bag of gypsum thru the lobby, past the door man, when i dont feel a need for the stuff at all.
i find it odd, peeps are so concerned with gypsum, when there are like 100 ways to increase a grow, other than that........... better sterile practice alone, would pry do more than all the gypsum you could carry.
not trying to be an enemy here. just trying to spare your labs the gypsum dust.
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Occasionally, you are mistreated. Unfortunately, you have been "type-cast" and/or "pigeon-holed". I don't like to see this happen to anyone.
But, you have brought it on yourself.
Insults, whether at you or from you, does not advance mycology.
Regardless of what you may think about bulks and monos and such, it is what most of us on this forum do. It works very well and there is plenty of evidence to support it.
You can't walk in to a Christian church on Sunday and start handing out the Qur'an without expecting flack.
Your attitude is why people attack you , even when you say something intelligent.
Change your attitude and you will see a response in kind. A lab and advanced knowledge is not required to enjoy and have great success at this hobby. Stop taking the fun out of fungi.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said: A lab and advanced knowledge is not required to enjoy and have great success at this hobby.
i could agree with that part.
but it takes more than a handful of gypsum, and a bulk or 2, to claim expertise over long time lab growers.
weve all seen it. someone grows a bulk or 2, declares expertise, then contams their place with trich , and then tells everyone else how to do things.
no one sane entertains it.
if peeps feel the need for gypsum , fine. i never saw the need.
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anne halonium said: but it takes more than a handful of gypsum, and a bulk or 2, to claim expertise over long time lab growers.
This is where your problem lies. You look at all this as a competition. This is at the heart of the types of statements that brings you so much negative attention.
Nobody is trying to establish dominance over you. As long as you continue to feel the need to defend yourself against domination, you will continue to be attacked.
Your argument here is negated by the fact that you have the same type of arguments and defense against well respected long time growers, not just those who have grown a bulk or two.
As long as you continue with this attitude, you will continue to run in to attacks. Only you can break the cycle, if you want to. You really need to learn to let shit slide. Let people be stupid.
I'm sure this is not the first time you've had this conversation. I doubt I'm telling you anything new. I just find it sad that almost every conversation I've read on this forum, involving you, has turned out the way this one has.
That's all I have to say about it. I am being sincere and wish you the best.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
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You look at all this as a competition.
huh? im just bored to literal tears watching noobs slosh shit buckets, and trich out with the same old outdated teks.
peeps with dogma empires, will always hate innovation that makes em look silly.
all the referendum on annies charm, is pure smoke screen for peeps with low skill levels.
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I'm doing some LED experiments on shrooms based on the fact that a great number of MJ growers are having this fight about LED vs Sodium Halide, or some other antiquated light technology.
I can predict with some certainty that one day soon, LED will be the light of choice for growers everywhere (when the price drops and technology increases). I want to see one that changes bands when turned on and then peaks in the middle of the day and then goes out with bands that simulates a setting sun.
I think it's doable.
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And the delusion escalates.
If you continue to stand with a clutched fist, your hand will continue to hurt. You must open the hand to release the pain. The first step is to realize you are clutching your fist. My heart goes out to you.
I wish you the best, but my reach appears to be farther than my grasp.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: bootster]
#19126348 - 11/12/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They just put me on Morphine because it hurt to clench my fists, unfortunately I couldn't open them either, that's no lie. If Parkinson Disease makes you hurt like I do, I say better living through chemistry.
There may be something deeper here that I must investigate.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: To be honest, I usually found her rants amusing. I'm not a new age grower by any means, but there are some aspects to V tek that are appealing. My problem was her bashing of bulkers, especially people that use hpoo. I only use coir/verm and rye spawn for cubes, but I have had several experiments with pan species and I will continue to experiment with them for some time I'm sure. IME pans may not need poo the way it was once thought that they did, but it sure makes it easier Ironically my best pan spawn was done in PP5 containers and I have a theory on why that was, but long story short I now use PP5 for all my pan projects (still prefer glass for cubes and G2G tho).
Could you elaborate on the pans and poo per your comment? I would love to see a method that could eliminate the need for poo with pans. Thanks!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19127094 - 11/12/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you continue to stand with a clutched fist, 
i can understand why you feel peeps surround YOU with clenched fists. ive noted you have anger issues for some time. dont project. your the one surrounded. anyone raising a fist to me, takes a heel to the forehead.
run off and impress us with some gypsum.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: budkatz]
#19127675 - 11/12/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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budkatz said: Could you elaborate on the pans and poo per your comment? I would love to see a method that could eliminate the need for poo with pans. Thanks!
Sure. Its nothing new as the knowledge that pans can fruit without poo has been around for a while. Usually straw is considered the sub to use if poo cannot be obtained. But They have even been done on cased grains. I plan to try many things with them soon. Just need a few supplies first and Canada Post sux balls. No matter what tho poo does seem make things easier and enjoys a higher success rate.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=30&Number=15578698&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#15578698
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18253136#18253136
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19127821 - 11/12/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool, good luck! I've seen straw and grain work as well, but nothing seems to work as well as hpoo.
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. . . .
This is the typical bad information we've come to expect from you. I doubt you've ever seen WBS or a pressure cooker in a cow field either, but the rest of us use them.
I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates, whether it's compost, manure or sawdust. I seriously doubt they're all following 'hype' from the shroomery.  RR
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RR, can we ever expect a perma ban on this person? Enough's enough already.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. . . .
This is the typical bad information we've come to expect from you. I doubt you've ever seen WBS or a pressure cooker in a cow field either, but the rest of us use them.
I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates, whether it's compost, manure or sawdust. I seriously doubt they're all following 'hype' from the shroomery.  RR
thank u rr for settling this I rly wasn't trying to start a fight I just wanted some info. from my shroomery homies luv yall
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19128211 - 11/12/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm glad through all the nonsense, you got the answer you were looking for.
I sincerely apologize for hijacking your thread. It's not my M.O., I don't think.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19128231 - 11/12/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol it's all good ppl gotta stand their ground and all that
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19128291 - 11/12/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm guilty of hijacking as charged. Somebody sort this stuff out for me so that it will make it easy (the learning curve) for me to get this stuff figured out like most of you on here. I'm just a noob.
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. . . .
This is the typical bad information we've come to expect from you. I doubt you've ever seen WBS or a pressure cooker in a cow field either, but the rest of us use them.
I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates, whether it's compost, manure or sawdust. I seriously doubt they're all following 'hype' from the shroomery.  RR
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Kalypto]
#19129945 - 11/13/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i love gypsum.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: twistedty]
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I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates
i dont, so now ya do.
i fall back, on good sterile practice, solid fert grain subs, fast PC times, plastics, and good crop management. all of wich IMO, makes a REAL difference in crops!
you guys spend too much time mixing buckets, and building grow machines. change your paradigm, change your results.
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I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates
i dont, so now ya do.
i fall back, on good sterile practice, solid fert grain subs, fast PC times, plastics, and good crop management. all of wich IMO, makes a REAL difference in crops!
you guys spend too much time mixing buckets, and building grow machines. change your paradigm, change your results.
I didnt know growing tiny mushroons in little jars was considered a commercial enterprise. Would you please show us pictures of these incredible paradigm shifting crops you've produced?
You talk alot but all you ever show are tiny mushrooms growing in plastic cups and colored lights that are supposed to impress.
Again I am begging you to prove us all wrong and show your paradigm shifting results. You've been claiming you're going to bring us game changing teks for months.
If your results are game changing then why hasn't the fucking paradigm shifted yet?
Put your money where your endangered species eating mouth is and shift our fucking paradigm with your gypsum free grows already. Then maybe the entire community will actually take you seriously.
People respect frank an tl and rr and notahacker and many others because they have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to produce picture perfect results that not only impress but actually cobtribute to the enthusiasm of the whole community for this hobby.
You on the other hand berrate people and tell them that this hobby has no place for them if they don't live up to your standards. Show us the results those gypsum free standards have produced.
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I don't like hollow stipes.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: bootster]
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I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates
i dont, so now ya do.
i fall back, on good sterile practice, solid fert grain subs, fast PC times, plastics, and good crop management. all of wich IMO, makes a REAL difference in crops!
you guys spend too much time mixing buckets, and building grow machines. change your paradigm, change your results.
I didnt know growing tiny mushroons in little jars was considered a commercial enterprise. Would you please show us pictures of these incredible paradigm shifting crops you've produced?
You talk alot but all you ever show are tiny mushrooms growing in plastic cups and colored lights that are supposed to impress.
Again I am begging you to prove us all wrong and show your paradigm shifting results. You've been claiming you're going to bring us game changing teks for months.
If your results are game changing then why hasn't the fucking paradigm shifted yet?
Put your money where your endangered species eating mouth is and shift our fucking paradigm with your gypsum free grows already. Then maybe the entire community will actually take you seriously.
People respect frank an tl and rr and notahacker and many others because they have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to produce picture perfect results that not only impress but actually cobtribute to the enthusiasm of the whole community for this hobby.
You on the other hand berrate people and tell them that this hobby has no place for them if they don't live up to your standards. Show us the results those gypsum free standards have produced.
Well put , Im glad I can count on the community to say the thing I couldnt with civility
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paradigm has shifted already, and will more. some peeps , are slow on the curve i suppose.
i kinda gave up on you elastic. i figure youll catch up in your own time.
V-tek has like 24k hits now. points been made.
PM me when ya get a good tek off the ground.
you really should see someone about anger management.
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i kinda gave up on you elastic. i figure youll catch up in your own time.
V-tek has like 24k hits now. points been made.
PM me when ya get a good tek off the ground.
you really should see someone about anger management.
Regardless of what you think might be true due to the way you went about it none of us are really interested nor believe you
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: bootster]
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Some people claim that quick grows sometimes lead to flaccid, hollow stiped, low potency shrooms.
I believe that if you take your time and let the shrooms grow at their own pace, then you end up with better quality shrooms. I don't like to cut them at the base and find out that the stipes are frail and hollow.
That was my point. Slow and steady wins the race (most of the time) as far as mother nature is concerned.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: bootster]
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Still waiting on those paradigm shifting pictures anne.
I'm vaguely reminded of new age herbal remedies for cancer. If they really worked everyone would be doing it and no one would have cancer.
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V-tek has like 24k hits now. points been made.
damions has 27 k also,and his isn't much of a game changer either
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Stromrider]
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I guess it all went over your head then?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: bootster]
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I guess it all went over your head then?
Sorry that was directed towards elasticaltiger's post not yours
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