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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19114170 - 11/10/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. never saw a gypsum grow exceed a non gypsum grow.
i have no intention of introducing it to the lab even. the dust value would be more of a reality than its mythical grow value.
IMO, its just not needed.
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Edited by anne halonium (11/10/13 10:30 AM)
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I soak with it, then boil in the soak water, then add more to the bulk sub. I have only done it once to compare but my sub with the gypsum produced bigger fruits than a similar one with no gypsum made with same lc.
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anne halonium said:
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs .
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19115923 - 11/10/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just gtg using the previously posted pint jar to make 4 pint jars. I will post pics tomorrow of hopefully some healthy recovering myc. This is my first bulk experiment. I have been reading, watching videos, reading every tek and thread I can on this forum since may. It's safe to say I am straight up ate up with mycology.
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anne halonium said:
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. never saw a gypsum grow exceed a non gypsum grow.
i have no intention of introducing it to the lab even. the dust value would be more of a reality than its mythical grow value.
IMO, its just not needed.
35years i bow down to that experience.
but it definetly doesnt hurt either
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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: twistedty]
#19119085 - 11/11/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im practically a noob. i know 3-4 peeps that are almost 40 yrs growing.
i dont think they use gypsum either.
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anne halonium said:
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. never saw a gypsum grow exceed a non gypsum grow.
i have no intention of introducing it to the lab even. the dust value would be more of a reality than its mythical grow value.
IMO, its just not needed.
Six Steps to Mushrooms Farming - Penn State College of Agricultural Sciences
"Gypsum is added to minimize the greasiness compost normally tends to have. Gypsum increases the flocculation of certain chemicals in the compost, and they adhere to straw or hay rather than filling the pores (holes) between the straws. A side benefit of this phenomenon is that air can permeate the pile more readily, and air is essential to the composting process. The exclusion of air results in an airless (anaerobic) environment in which deleterious chemical compounds are formed which detract from the selectivity of mushroom compost for growing mushrooms. Gypsum is added at the outset of composting at 40 lb per ton of dry ingredients"
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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: sukhavati12]
#19119245 - 11/11/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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agaricus.
not my species. still dont feel the need.
that papers is not exactly a gypsum data sheet, its more like a report on PA agaricus farms.
interesting stuff on nitrates in that paper though. if anything, confirms my use of ferts ( NPK)
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Edited by anne halonium (11/11/13 07:18 AM)
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Gypsum contains both calcium carbonate and sulfur, thus it tends to keep the pH near neutral, preventing swings as the metabolites try to push the pH down.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: hbettag]
#19122498 - 11/11/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I guess that I have the ability to settle this with an experiment I am doing already. I have 4 brf cakes that don't have gypsum. I also have 4 brf cakes that I used gypsum in that I inoculated 2 days ago. I will post pics before birthing of each and dry weight harvested from each. I also have several rye berry jars that I didn't use gypsum in. I gtg transferred myc. from one of the jars to grains that have been soaked in gypsum. I will post side by side results of each experiment. I am interested to find out what happens. Although I gotta admit I have faith in what rr says.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19122520 - 11/11/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the idea of a side by side to see if there are any tangible benefits to using gypsum however, if you are inoculating those cakes with ms there is no control so your results will provide nothing conclusive.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19122690 - 11/11/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah that is a fantastic point oh well. life goes on......time will teach me the answers.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19122722 - 11/11/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have some prints that I will be isolating coming in the mail. I'll make sure to post what I learn.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19122787 - 11/11/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: I have some prints that I will be isolating coming in the mail. I'll make sure to post what I learn.
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anne halonium said: never saw gypsum in a cow field.
Gypsum is often used for soil amelioration to increase flocculation in clay soils, as a fertilizer on wheat and alfalfa, and as an additive in animal feed. Unfertilized alfalfa hay averages 1.54% calcium by dry weight, much of which is in the form of calcium sulfate. It's often present in natural salt licks, and many animals have been known to travel miles to a lick with a higher amount of calcium, especially when that calcium was found in the more bioavailable version, calcium sulfate, rather than in a carbonate or limestone form.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
#19122929 - 11/11/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said:
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anne halonium said: never saw gypsum in a cow field.
Gypsum is often used for soil amelioration to increase flocculation in clay soils, as a fertilizer on wheat and alfalfa, and as an additive in animal feed. Unfertilized alfalfa hay averages 1.54% calcium by dry weight, much of which is in the form of calcium sulfate. It's often present in natural salt licks, and many animals have been known to travel miles to a lick with a higher amount of calcium, especially when that calcium was found in the more bioavailable version, calcium sulfate, rather than in a carbonate or limestone form.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
#19122937 - 11/11/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said:
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anne halonium said: never saw gypsum in a cow field.
Gypsum is often used for soil amelioration to increase flocculation in clay soils, as a fertilizer on wheat and alfalfa, and as an additive in animal feed. Unfertilized alfalfa hay averages 1.54% calcium by dry weight, much of which is in the form of calcium sulfate. It's often present in natural salt licks, and many animals have been known to travel miles to a lick with a higher amount of calcium, especially when that calcium was found in the more bioavailable version, calcium sulfate, rather than in a carbonate or limestone form.
dude.......
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
#19123026 - 11/11/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never seen BRF, vermiculite, rye berries, or coir in a cow pasture neither.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19123075 - 11/11/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it is unfair to suggest that mushies should only be grown on poop and hay.......
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19123128 - 11/11/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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For her to make the "never seen gypsum in a cow field" argument is just hypocritical.
she don't even use stuff that comes from a cow pasture.
She's being silly.
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