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gypsum for soaking rye berry?
#19111623 - 11/09/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have noticed that some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains. Is this actually beneficial at all?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111629 - 11/09/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Of course it is. It adds calcium and sulfur plus keeps the grains from sticking and clumping up later. RR
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19111671 - 11/09/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I guess that means I will be adding that for the last 12 hours of my soak. Thanks for the info. RR your word is gold!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111675 - 11/09/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: I have noticed that some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains. Is this actually beneficial at all?
no. we just cant find anywhere else to put all the extra gypsum we have laying around!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19111692 - 11/09/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol yeah I guess it is kind of a dumb question but up until this point I have only added it to pf cakes.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111719 - 11/09/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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glad to hear your gettin into grains. it really is just about as much prep and work, with such a more favorable outcome, if you go about it right. i did one PF Tek and dove right into bulk with c/v/g, as well as outdoor with grains, and i never looked back. good luck!!!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19111748 - 11/09/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is my first fully colonized jar of rye I have made so far.

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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: frenchfries]
#19111788 - 11/09/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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frenchfries said: this is my first fully colonized jar of rye I have made so far.


you should use quart jars. but aside from that, that looks good and healthy!
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19112054 - 11/09/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to use pints for my masters. They colonize quick and are easier to G2G in my SAB than with quarts IME. 1 pint to 6 quarts is just right for me. Though I have used quarts as masters many times as well.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112194 - 11/09/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112196 - 11/09/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do the grains themselves actually absorb the gypsum when you boil them or does it just kinda stick to the surface of the germ?
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Well I don't know if it actually gets absorbed or not but it does seem to stick to the grains somewhat which IME helps keep them nice and loose in the jar. I have found that I get much better/healthier colonization with it than without. I never used to use gypsum or coffee when I first started grains, now I wouldn't think of not using them.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112268 - 11/09/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Well I don't know if it actually gets absorbed or not but it does seem to stick to the grains somewhat which IME helps keep them nice and loose in the jar. I have found that I get much better/healthier colonization with it than without. I never used to use gypsum or coffee when I first started grains, now I wouldn't think of not using them.
i know it gives it extra nutes but i love how much it helps from keeping your grains from sticking.
they really shouldnt stick to much anyway once you get your grain prep and simmer technique down
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: twistedty]
#19112303 - 11/09/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twistedty said: i know it gives it extra nutes but i love how much it helps from keeping your grains from sticking.
they really shouldnt stick to much anyway once you get your grain prep and simmer technique down
Maybe it doesn't maybe I just got my prep solid at the same time that I started with it. Nonetheless I ain't messing with not having it just in case.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112326 - 11/09/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twistedty said: i know it gives it extra nutes but i love how much it helps from keeping your grains from sticking.
they really shouldnt stick to much anyway once you get your grain prep and simmer technique down
Maybe it doesn't maybe I just got my prep solid at the same time that I started with it. Nonetheless I ain't messing with not having it just in case.
nah me either after the pc cycle i just shake my jars a few times and all the grains move freely with no clumps
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112330 - 11/09/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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is it better to add it to the soaking phase or the simmer phase, also how much gypsum is ideal?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: N2ocean]
#19112344 - 11/09/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just eyeball a tablespoon or so for every dozen quarts or so after the rinse. Dump in a cup o coffee and good to go. I simmer in the same water/coffee/gypsum mix that I soak in. Fuck I just checked and I be down to my last pound, need to order some more fo sho
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19113245 - 11/10/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know if I am doing it right but I simmer in gypsum laden water plus add gypsum to my bulk substrate as well. I seem to remember hearing you can't use too much gypsum. Anyone know if that is a fact and if its not am I adding too much?
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19113356 - 11/10/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well it will want to absorb/close in water, so a lot of gypsum will dehydrate your grains i would think, or would dehydrate the mycelium that you add. (but this is not from experience)
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19113864 - 11/10/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomnub4u said: I don't know if I am doing it right but I simmer in gypsum laden water plus add gypsum to my bulk substrate as well. I seem to remember hearing you can't use too much gypsum. Anyone know if that is a fact and if its not am I adding too much?
I'm not sure about not being able to use too much, I'm sure there is a breaking point somewhere I don't add it to my sub, cause it just doesn't seem necessary to me to add it twice. If it works for you then have at er but, maybe give it a try with just the soak water. If you don't mind the results, try it again like that. See if it works for you.
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