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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19111328 - 11/09/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, i would have made new jars at this point. OP get you some Tyvek (free at your local post office) or some poly fill, or a combination of the two. best of luck.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: 404]
#19111384 - 11/09/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I covered the 4 holes with micropore tape. Do people not use that method anymore? I have abatch of grain soaked I am buying more lids right now.
Edit: I do have polyfill at home. How many holes do I make. I do not have any silicone to make an injection point. I didn't think polyfill would be a good filter on jars. I'm going to go synthetic filter disks after this :/
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
#19111413 - 11/09/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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silicone is more effort than you need really. ok so here's what i do. i take the glass jars out of the case, and take a thick cross-head screwdriver and drive it through the middle of the lid. then i bend down the pieces of metal that are protruding from the underside of the lid.
next, stick some polyfill through the hole in the lid. after this, unscrew the lids, cover the top of the jar with tyvek, and put the two part lid back on and screw it down... and oila! you're good to go. just make sure you put tinfoil over the top before you pc it.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: 404]
#19111417 - 11/09/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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note- you dont have to use both polyfill and tyvek, it is possible to use either or. i am just about thangs like that.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: 404]
#19111438 - 11/09/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am just going to use polyfil. I just foumd some silicon at walmart not sure if I will use it or not. How do you innoc through polyfill? Just stab through?
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
#19111469 - 11/09/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can but I have heard stories of people pushing the poly right through which is an instant fail. I usually inoculate in my SAB, just carefully crack the lid up, squirt in a half cc or so and close er back up. This allows you to inoculate without making contact which cuts down on contam vectors. Same way we inoculate with agar wedges if you think about it.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
#19111522 - 11/09/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ShroomMush said: I am just going to use polyfil. I just foumd some silicon at walmart not sure if I will use it or not. How do you innoc through polyfill? Just stab through?
no need to use silicone if you are using polyfill. polyfill works just fine.
so when you go to inoculate in your still air box, acohol swab the needle end, then torch flame the end of the needle inside the SAB till it is glowing red, then wait 10 -15 seconds and then proced to stick the needle tip through the polyfill and squeeze some spore solution into the grain jar. you only need a tiny tiny bit. then extract the needle and you're done!
make sure when you put the polyfill in the lid it's not loose
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: 404]
#19111547 - 11/09/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got it.
I am under the impression polyfill does not need to use foil when pc ing?
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: 404]
#19111552 - 11/09/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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StateOfMind404 said: torch flame the end of the needle inside OUTSIDE the SAB till it is glowing red, THEN BRING IT INSIDE THE SAB, then wait 10 -15 seconds and then proceed to stick the needle tip through the polyfill and squeeze some spore solution into the grain jar.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: PussyFart]
#19111575 - 11/09/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always put tinfoil over the top of the lids when i go to PC the jars. i would use it to help protect the moisture content.Quote:
Notahacker420 said:
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StateOfMind404 said: torch flame the end of the needle inside OUTSIDE the SAB till it is glowing red, THEN BRING IT INSIDE THE SAB, then wait 10 -15 seconds and then proceed to stick the needle tip through the polyfill and squeeze some spore solution into the grain jar.

yeah, that's probably safer, especially if you're like me and spray loads of lysol inside the box...
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112255 - 11/09/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.
this.
one 1/4-1/2 inch hole stuffed snugly with polyfil or sfds if you can afford it. and pc with foil remove foil noc threw the poly and throw foil away
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112819 - 11/10/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.
Just spitballing here. He could inoculate in an sab by only slightly lifting the foil up just enough to make his injection then bringing it back down. The foil is only up for 3 seconds tops with decently smooth technique.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19112825 - 11/10/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Even if he has, how is he going to nock it up with out removing the foil? I guess he could nock them up in a SAB and leave them in it until full colonization but I think it would be easier to make proper lids and start over.
Just spitballing here. He could inoculate in an sab by only slightly lifting the foil up just enough to make his injection then bringing it back down. The foil is only up for 3 seconds tops with decently smooth technique.
Not gonna disagree, but still feels risky to me. Guess my risk tolerance ain't what it used to be. Shit I nocked up brf cakes outside once, but I can't live on the edge like that no more.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19112894 - 11/10/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I can't live on the edge like that no more.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19112922 - 11/10/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it is not excessive, I have noticed faster/healthier mycelium from wet jars. It is not a contam risk IMO because the grain is sterile.
I had a bit of pooling in the bottom of my most recent jars and that is where I got the most growth in the shortest time, a patch of myc elsewhere in the jar would be 1/2 the size of one with access to excess water.
Any opinions? lol
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19112930 - 11/10/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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@OP
Your picture is linked via Photobucket.
At the top of the URL there is a full name Bryan....
Not trying to seem like a paranoid skit-zo, but I wouldent want my name attatched to pictures on the interwebs in this hobby.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19112968 - 11/10/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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just found this post...
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RogerRabbit said: I wouldn't and this is why: Sterilzation only gives a 'window of opportunity' and is never complete. If you g2g with uncolonized grains, those uncolonized kernels might sit for another two weeks in the receiving jar before the mycelium gets to them, thus they're outside their window, and more likely to contaminate.
Let the jars fully colonize. Being in a hurry never benefits mycology. RR
I guess I was right in the first place that a "sterilized" jar is not entirely sterile!
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19113002 - 11/10/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seeing as my pic already served its purpose I will take it down. First time posting I didmt know it would give me the op to upload a pic directly to the site.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: ShroomMush]
#19113082 - 11/10/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on,
didnt wanna seem like an ass, just didnt know if you noticed how it showed that.
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Re: First timer here just PCed some jars.... afraid they may have too much moisture. Rye Grain [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19113175 - 11/10/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no offense taken here. i appreciate the concern. and thanks!
i am on minute 8 of my 10 minute simmer. i soaked this grain for a long time about 36 hours. mainly because i fell asleep. They look fine though. poly fill jars have been prepared. hopefully everything will be inoculated and set by the time football starts.
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